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New Zealand Football is pleased to announce Fritz Schmid as the new All Whites Head Coach.

http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/59143

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I, for one, welcome our new Swiss overlords.

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What's that?  Darije...Swiss... oh.

Appiah without the pace
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Me in November wrote:

Makes you wonder if he [Heraf] has some connections too.

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Leaving aside the whole coaching licence issue, am sad Ramon wasn't given a shot

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Ok if you don't know me, I'm very naturally critical.

But seriously, this is just another underwhelming, predictable appointment by NZF.

I'm going to put my hand up now and say this will be another four years of mediocrity. I expect this post to be quoted several times when it rings true.

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But can he do a PowerPoint presentation?

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I know nothing about the guy, but are we missing out on (potentially superior?) coaches locally through our obsession with a piece of paper (or focus on academic qualifications than practical head coaching experience/results)?

Hope he goes well, and at least doesn't piss in our pockets and tell us it's raining like the last bloke.

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Also, he got his Pro license eons ago - so arguably some of his theoretical knowledge will be out of day.  I guess he has recent experience as an assistant coach of a NT...but I probably would have preferred someone with more head coaching experience.

I guess the proof will be in the pudding, as always. Four years is a long time to wait though.

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"We love weiners!" 

"Fritz Shmid's weiner army!" 

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Don't think it is a surprise to have a guy we know every little about, did we know anything about Hudson before he came here other then what we could find on the internet. We are hardly going to attract a big name that we immediately know.

While Fritz doesn't have a massive amount of manger/head coach experience has still got plenty of experience at very high level. Remember some assistants actually do more of the day to day coaching them managers of some of these big teams. 

He clearly knows his stuff with his role he has had as an educator for fifa. 

I don't see how we can write him off with hours of him being appointed. Give him a go. 

With the exception of Ramon who else in NZ would have realistically been in the running... 

Very much a Herf appointment which for me is not a bad thing, the 2 guys at the top will be on the same page from the outset, think this is shown already with the appointment of u17 and u20 coaches/assistance.

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I've just written up and created a Wikipedia page for him, seeing as he didn't have one previously. Feel free to contribute! Spent a lot of time on this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Schmid_(footba...

Curious to see how his editing skills match up to Huddo's

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This from Liam Hyslop on Stuff here, which includes this piece...

There have been threats swirling around for weeks from certain groups saying they will rebel against New Zealand Football if their "worldwide search" for a new coach ended with the hiring of a mate of technical director Andreas Heraf.

We await the Rebellion...

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I liked the quote of him saying that he will assess our players technical abilities and then he will adapt a playing style to that.  Sounds much more sensible than coming in and imposing your way on a team on which it doesn't fit - it's not club football where you can bring players in to fit your style.

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Dougie Rydal wrote:

This from Liam Hyslop on Stuff here, which includes this piece...

There have been threats swirling around for weeks from certain groups saying they will rebel against New Zealand Football if their "worldwide search" for a new coach ended with the hiring of a mate of technical director Andreas Heraf.

We await the Rebellion...

Would be interesting to know where 'certain groups' come from.  Are we talking players, admin, people in the local football scene...?

Opinion Privileges revoked
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Did anyone apart from Liam Hyslop actually hear these rumours before yesterday?

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don't mind this appointment at all. Think it will be good for the Thomas's, Rojas's of our team moving forward. 

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Doloras wrote:

Did anyone apart from Liam Hyslop actually hear these rumours before yesterday?

Exactly, what a pile of shark article.

Here it is if anyone wants to bother giving it the time of day https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/101716359/new-all-whites-coach-fritz-schmid-has-a-task-on-his-hands-to-unite-new-zealand-football

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At least this isn't a blatant stepping stone job like Hudson's was. 

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Fitzy wrote:

At least this isn't a blatant stepping stone job like Hudson's was. 


What's wrong with having a coach using the All Whites as a stepping stone? Ideally that'd benefit both parties. I think it's the type of coach NZF should have gone for.

Listen here Fudgeface
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Aguero wrote:

Fitzy wrote:

At least this isn't a blatant stepping stone job like Hudson's was. 


What's wrong with having a coach using the All Whites as a stepping stone? Ideally that'd benefit both parties. I think it's the type of coach NZF should have gone for.

how did that work out last time around?
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patrick478 wrote:

Aguero wrote:

Fitzy wrote:

At least this isn't a blatant stepping stone job like Hudson's was. 

What's wrong with having a coach using the All Whites as a stepping stone? Ideally that'd benefit both parties. I think it's the type of coach NZF should have gone for.

how did that work out last time around?

Took us to the 2nd leg in Lima at 0-0, when most on here predicted the AWs would be smashed. Were still a chance in the 2nd leg at 1-0 down, until defensive blunder from a corner in 2nd half, killed us off.

Also team is now pretty happy and well settled (if the big guns like Reid are available), even after the 4 recent retirements. Post Mexico playoffs AWs setup was a mess.

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reg22 wrote:

[quote=Doloras]

Did anyone apart from Liam Hyslop actually hear these rumours before yesterday?

Exactly, what a pile of shark article.

Here it is if anyone wants to bother giving it the time of day https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/101716359/n...

/quote]The article says:

"What Schmid really needs to do is get out and face those already against him. That's how he will create an impression. Heraf tried that, but failed, turning an array of football figures against him."

Tried but failed? It's the first I've heard of any rumblings about Heraf. I have read somewhere on this forum that he'd made a good impression on NZF. Who's behind this angst? 

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aitkenmike wrote:

I liked the quote of him saying that he will assess our players technical abilities and then he will adapt a playing style to that.  Sounds much more sensible than coming in and imposing your way on a team on which it doesn't fit - it's not club football where you can bring players in to fit your style.

That quote alone is enough to give me confidence in the new guy. And a willingness to give him time to put it into practice. 

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His experience with Basel might be quite useful with the All Whites.

Strongest team on paper (Basel/NZ), that should nearly always walk the local comp (Swiss/Oceania). Then have to adapt to being one of the weaker teams once they've won their way into the big time (Champions League for Basel, Confeds/Playoff for NZ)

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scribbler wrote:

reg22 wrote:

[quote=Doloras]

Did anyone apart from Liam Hyslop actually hear these rumours before yesterday?

Exactly, what a pile of shark article.

Here it is if anyone wants to bother giving it the time of day https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/101716359/n...

/quote]The article says:

"What Schmid really needs to do is get out and face those already against him. That's how he will create an impression. Heraf tried that, but failed, turning an array of football figures against him."

Tried but failed? It's the first I've heard of any rumblings about Heraf. I have read somewhere on this forum that he'd made a good impression on NZF. Who's behind this angst? 


The word is a few people at federations haven't been impressed with their interactions with him so far. Not the most personable guy apparently. His footballing philosophy is also at odds with what a few of the clubs in Wellington are trying to do in the youth space.
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cancelled media interview on the radio today... a lot questions raised around whether or not this is a boys club appointment. 

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patrick478 wrote:

Aguero wrote:

Fitzy wrote:

At least this isn't a blatant stepping stone job like Hudson's was. 

What's wrong with having a coach using the All Whites as a stepping stone? Ideally that'd benefit both parties. I think it's the type of coach NZF should have gone for.

how did that work out last time around?

Considering we were one game away from going to the WC, not as bad as it could've been.

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/10...

Sounds a pragmatic chap. 

Perhaps if Hudson had been as conservative with his early comments (rather than saying he was a fan of Biesla etc) - he wouldn't have been criticised as strongly by a few on here.

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scribbler wrote:

reg22 wrote:

[quote=Doloras]

Did anyone apart from Liam Hyslop actually hear these rumours before yesterday?

Exactly, what a pile of shark article.

Here it is if anyone wants to bother giving it the time of day https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/101716359/n...

/quote]The article says:

"What Schmid really needs to do is get out and face those already against him. That's how he will create an impression. Heraf tried that, but failed, turning an array of football figures against him."

Tried but failed? It's the first I've heard of any rumblings about Heraf. I have read somewhere on this forum that he'd made a good impression on NZF. Who's behind this angst? 


The word is a few people at federations haven't been impressed with their interactions with him so far. Not the most personable guy apparently. His footballing philosophy is also at odds with what a few of the clubs in Wellington are trying to do in the youth space.

Well that's the stereotype of people from German speaking countries.

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I read that and I reckon Hyslop has been interviewing his keyboard and Rufer and between the two, has created a fantasy story.

There has been zero angst (publically or on here) about Heraf or the potential of the appointment being a person Heraf knew. 

If there is angst out there, its been well hidden or only by a small few that it would probably be small enough to be classified as 'no surprise' cause no appointment is ever met without angst.

I'm guessing Hyslop preferred Danny Hay as well?

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Doloras wrote:

Did anyone apart from Liam Hyslop actually hear these rumours before yesterday?

This.
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clowns wrote:

His experience with Basel might be quite useful with the All Whites.

Strongest team on paper (Basel/NZ), that should nearly always walk the local comp (Swiss/Oceania). Then have to adapt to being one of the weaker teams once they've won their way into the big time (Champions League for Basel, Confeds/Playoff for NZ)

Teams like this are really difficult to coach too, because you'll always need to be able to play multiple styles. The All Whites could play stylish, possession-based football all day against Island teams but as soon as we come up against any other side we can't play a dominant style like that. Makes it difficult to implement a style of play when it has to differ so often
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clowns wrote:

His experience with Basel might be quite useful with the All Whites.

Strongest team on paper (Basel/NZ), that should nearly always walk the local comp (Swiss/Oceania). Then have to adapt to being one of the weaker teams once they've won their way into the big time (Champions League for Basel, Confeds/Playoff for NZ)

Teams like this are really difficult to coach too, because you'll always need to be able to play multiple styles. The All Whites could play stylish, possession-based football all day against Island teams but as soon as we come up against any other side we can't play a dominant style like that. Makes it difficult to implement a style of play when it has to differ so often

Sorry dont agree with this. Ramon should have been a 'shoe in' for the job and would have implemented 'his' style of play and they would have actually used it against the islands (Unlike Hudson who played a long ball game) and used it against better opposition. He does it in the Club World Cup and has been quite successful over the years and against all style of play and opposition. He would have stubbornly drilled it into the players and we might actually have had a team we could have finally been really proud of!

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Khalil Media wrote:

Leaving aside the whole coaching licence issue, am sad Ramon wasn't given a shot

I agree. they would probably have got him cheaper and he could have agreed to get his full license while in the job

Listen here Fudgeface
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clowns wrote:

His experience with Basel might be quite useful with the All Whites.

Strongest team on paper (Basel/NZ), that should nearly always walk the local comp (Swiss/Oceania). Then have to adapt to being one of the weaker teams once they've won their way into the big time (Champions League for Basel, Confeds/Playoff for NZ)

Teams like this are really difficult to coach too, because you'll always need to be able to play multiple styles. The All Whites could play stylish, possession-based football all day against Island teams but as soon as we come up against any other side we can't play a dominant style like that. Makes it difficult to implement a style of play when it has to differ so often

Sorry dont agree with this. Ramon should have been a 'shoe in' for the job and would have implemented 'his' style of play and they would have actually used it against the islands (Unlike Hudson who played a long ball game) and used it against better opposition. He does it in the Club World Cup and has been quite successful over the years and against all style of play and opposition. He would have stubbornly drilled it into the players and we might actually have had a team we could have finally been really proud of!

I'm not convinced he uses the exact same tactics against CWC teams as he does against Hamilton Wanderers...
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clowns wrote:

His experience with Basel might be quite useful with the All Whites.

Strongest team on paper (Basel/NZ), that should nearly always walk the local comp (Swiss/Oceania). Then have to adapt to being one of the weaker teams once they've won their way into the big time (Champions League for Basel, Confeds/Playoff for NZ)

Teams like this are really difficult to coach too, because you'll always need to be able to play multiple styles. The All Whites could play stylish, possession-based football all day against Island teams but as soon as we come up against any other side we can't play a dominant style like that. Makes it difficult to implement a style of play when it has to differ so often

Sorry dont agree with this. Ramon should have been a 'shoe in' for the job and would have implemented 'his' style of play and they would have actually used it against the islands (Unlike Hudson who played a long ball game) and used it against better opposition. He does it in the Club World Cup and has been quite successful over the years and against all style of play and opposition. He would have stubbornly drilled it into the players and we might actually have had a team we could have finally been really proud of!

He’s gets to train the Auckland City squad 5-6 days a week. He’d get to train Winnie Reid 5-6 days a year if lucky.

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clowns wrote:

His experience with Basel might be quite useful with the All Whites.

Strongest team on paper (Basel/NZ), that should nearly always walk the local comp (Swiss/Oceania). Then have to adapt to being one of the weaker teams once they've won their way into the big time (Champions League for Basel, Confeds/Playoff for NZ)

Teams like this are really difficult to coach too, because you'll always need to be able to play multiple styles. The All Whites could play stylish, possession-based football all day against Island teams but as soon as we come up against any other side we can't play a dominant style like that. Makes it difficult to implement a style of play when it has to differ so often

Sorry dont agree with this. Ramon should have been a 'shoe in' for the job and would have implemented 'his' style of play and they would have actually used it against the islands (Unlike Hudson who played a long ball game) and used it against better opposition. He does it in the Club World Cup and has been quite successful over the years and against all style of play and opposition. He would have stubbornly drilled it into the players and we might actually have had a team we could have finally been really proud of!

If you're playing in the Handy, you probably aren't good enough to play for the AWs. For me, that extends to coaching as well. Its a sad indictment on the quality of our National League but for me, Ramon needs to do something with someone other than Auckland City to even be considered an option.

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All this frustration that Ramon didn't get a look in at either the nix or for the AW's job - clearly he is an good coach with one team who he gets to coach all year round - but has anyone thought about the fact he is currently coaching the team with the biggest resources in an average league. Sure the punch above their weight in the CWC. He'll never get the job at the nix until he has the right quals - that's a league requirement not a club thing. NZF have a minimum requirement for quals too right? Assuming he is working on these then he will get his chance when he achieves them. Until then we have to accept he simply isn't in the picture.

Personally I think he'd be ok if he was coaching a team like Sydney FC, ie a team with all the money and players, he'd struggle at the nix as I think it is pretty clear that IPS Handa players are not up to decent A-League standard, and in the international world he'd never have time to actually coach any of the NZ team.

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One the one hand I would have liked to see him get a look in, at least.  But I also wonder why he's been content with just sticking around ACFC for so long.  Surely there would have been some interest from Asia or in a European 2nd division somewhere?

I mean, once he didn't get that Brisbane job, I think he should've gone outside of his comfort zone to see if he could cut it elsewhere.


That being said I think the whole FIFA PRO license is bollocks - but as mentioned in the article, NZF have a right to set their own standards.  Hope Schmid does the impossible and gets up to what will definitely be the most shambolic WC to date!

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