All Whites vs Peru | First leg | Sat 11 Nov | 4:15pm | RoF

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What a weekend of football! 

The national anthem on Saturday was awesome - I wonder if any other sports crowd in NZ has got  anywhere close to that sort of delivery. Great move to have the Words up - everyone around me was belting it out (as was I). Great game by the AWs making a mockery of FIFA rankings - whatever you think of those. 

Thomas's shot almost pulled if off - totally beat the defence and keeper. Best chance of the game (apart from our wee whoopsie at the start). 

The Peru team seemed to be getting more and more disturbed the longer the game went - and then when Wood came on they couldn't seem to touch him (they'll be seeing a lot more of him on Thursday.....). They might step it up in Lima but I'm sure we will too in Part 2 of our 180 minute game plan. The pressure is all on them. I wonder what surprises are in store...

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I think the number of Peru supporters doing a cracking job of their anthem fired everyone up.  

I know that's what made me sing it at the top of my lungs, thinking good job Peru but we need to win :)

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SC_1997 wrote:

it's a pretty safe bet that if you defend tight  with numbers that you will eventually get at least one chance. You just have to bury it, unfortunately that one chance went wide by inches. They also had a half chance with I think Kostas who finished it badly

If NZ had attacked more they probably could have had more chances, but they might have been exposed to more counters 

Was at the game, didn't realise that Thomas's shot was as close as it was until I watched the highlights of the game yesterday, looked like it did clip the outside of the post?

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346,000 TV audience reported, about 7% of NZ tuning in.

Add the 38,000 in the ground, not a bad mark.

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LFCNZ wrote:

SC_1997 wrote:

it's a pretty safe bet that if you defend tight  with numbers that you will eventually get at least one chance. You just have to bury it, unfortunately that one chance went wide by inches. They also had a half chance with I think Kostas who finished it badly

If NZ had attacked more they probably could have had more chances, but they might have been exposed to more counters 

Was at the game, didn't realise that Thomas's shot was as close as it was until I watched the highlights of the game yesterday, looked like it did clip the outside of the post?

Yeah, clipped outside of post. Keeper gazed back in disbelief. I fell into the row in front of me, and the guy in front of me fell into the row in front of him. I tried to apologise but I didn't have any voice left. 

It was a fukn amazing, nail-biting game. Bahrain was better only because the result happened there and then, and we were off to the WC.

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

LFCNZ wrote:

SC_1997 wrote:

it's a pretty safe bet that if you defend tight  with numbers that you will eventually get at least one chance. You just have to bury it, unfortunately that one chance went wide by inches. They also had a half chance with I think Kostas who finished it badly

If NZ had attacked more they probably could have had more chances, but they might have been exposed to more counters 

Was at the game, didn't realise that Thomas's shot was as close as it was until I watched the highlights of the game yesterday, looked like it did clip the outside of the post?

Yeah, clipped outside of post. Keeper gazed back in disbelief. I fell into the row in front of me, and the guy in front of me fell into the row in front of him. I tried to apologise but I didn't have any voice left. 

It was a fukn amazing, nail-biting game. Bahrain was better only because the result happened there and then, and we were off to the WC.

Haha, yeah my voice was shot as well, still croaky from all the shouting, didn't got the Bahrain game, god damn it, was there for the Mexico game in 2013 though.

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I had a drink in Cuba Mall with a couple Argentinians afterwards and they said Wood was just the striker they needed. I said, hell you guys have got Messi. Yes they said, but he's no good for us. 

#neversatisfed

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

I had a drink in Cuba Mall with a couple Argentinians afterwards and they said Wood was just the striker they needed. I said, hell you guys have got Messi. Yes they said, but he's no good for us. 

#neversatisfed

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True story. Of course they might just have been playing super diplomatic. But I'm not a scary looking guy.

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Messi has been poor for Argentina most of his career, not surprising they may like someone who isn't as flashy but more effective. Obviously with Barcelona he's about the best player in the world, but not so great generally when playing for Argentina.

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If they want to trade though, I'd be keen!

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Colvinator wrote:

Messi has been poor for Argentina most of his career, not surprising they may like someone who isn't as flashy but more effective. Obviously with Barcelona he's about the best player in the world, but not so great generally when playing for Argentina.

And yet he is their all time top scorer. Goes to show the ridiculous standards we hold Messi by.

But that's a chat for another thread i think...

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Off topic but it fudgeing baffles me how Argentine fans think Messi is shark for them. Not all of course, but enough to be heard. It's bizzare. Look at their record with him vs without him. Look at the shark he's done for them. If Higuain had finished a relatively simple chance then they would be world champs on the basis of Messi running every game for them but instead it's Messi who gets shark. He's got a goal every other game for them, 34 goals and. 24 assists in 80 competitive matches, completely dragged them through high pressure games (Hat trick against Ecuador in the must win game at a venue Argentina suck at most recently, involved in 5 out of 6 goals they scored in the 2015 CA final, their best player in 2014 to get them to the WC final) yet they still hate on him.

Guess he's just set tthe bar so high they expect him to win every single game for them by himself.

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Just read Hudson's been speaking 'rusty Spanish' to the Peruvian media. Uh-oh. Could go pear shaped. 'We believe in a bright road ahead,' ... 'Ve believe in the shining path...'

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Colvinator wrote:

Messi has been poor for Argentina most of his career, not surprising they may like someone who isn't as flashy but more effective. Obviously with Barcelona he's about the best player in the world, but not so great generally when playing for Argentina.

That's bollocks. He maybe hasn't been as good as he is for Barca but he's been Argentina's best player time and again. 

http://m.goal.com/s/en/news/14552/world-cup-2018/2...

You can't have his record at international level and have been poor. There's social and political reasons he gets bagged in Argentina but it's a myth that he hasn't delivered at international level.

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Colvinator wrote:

Messi has been poor for Argentina most of his career, not surprising they may like someone who isn't as flashy but more effective. Obviously with Barcelona he's about the best player in the world, but not so great generally when playing for Argentina.

That's bollocks. He maybe hasn't been as good as he is for Barca but he's been Argentina's best player time and again. 

http://m.goal.com/s/en/news/14552/world-cup-2018/2...

You can't have his record at international level and have been poor. There's social and political reasons he gets bagged in Argentina but it's a myth that he hasn't delivered at international level.

He's the Jeremy Brockie of Argentinian football.

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

Just read Hudson's been speaking 'rusty Spanish' to the Peruvian media. Uh-oh. Could go pear shaped. 'We believe in a bright road ahead,' ... 'Ve believe in the shining path...'

WE FOLLOW OUR SHINING PATH THAT YOU WILL NEVER DESTROY!

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Colvinator wrote:

Messi has been poor for Argentina most of his career, not surprising they may like someone who isn't as flashy but more effective. Obviously with Barcelona he's about the best player in the world, but not so great generally when playing for Argentina.

All important Argentina games, Germany kick them out, hahaha!

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Colvinator wrote:

Messi has been poor for Argentina most of his career, not surprising they may like someone who isn't as flashy but more effective. Obviously with Barcelona he's about the best player in the world, but not so great generally when playing for Argentina.

Messi is very good for Argentina, in recent years Argentina has had to rely on the individual brilliance of Messi as their other players continue to under achieve. 

For example

Argentina have played 8 matches with Messi on the pitch in these qualifiers, winning 17 of 24 points. Argentina have also played 8 matches without Messi on the pitch, winning just 7 of 24 points.

https://www.barcablaugranes.com/2017/9/6/16261260/...

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Thought Ryan Thomas and Reid were a class above; couple thoughts:

Thomas - Wow. This guy is seriously good and still only 22. I would not be suprised if he is in the premier league, or another big, big league, in the next couple years. Made strong tackles, had a huge engine (93 mins in when he stopped that ball going out) and is quality on the ball. Seriously impressed with him.

Reid - Commanding display. He's a leader and leads by example. He was constantly giving instructions and fighting for everything. Little mistakes and some crucial headers and interceptions. You occasionally get the impression he doesn't enjoy playing for the All Whites but when he plays like that it's clear he does. Class

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Jeff Vader wrote:

Wood_9 wrote:
I've been lurking this forum for a long time and.....
See that’s where you went wrong cause at least now we know for sure that you have no clue.

How anyone can say “that’s not a good result” when the odds are so heavily against us is fudgeing clueless.

They are expected dominate and win this tie easily

They are ranked 100 places ahead of us

We were expected to capitulate

Man for man, they beat us in 9 maybe 8 matchups for talent head to head

We have a 0-0 draw and that’s a bad result? 

What were you expecting, a 3-0 win to NZ

That’s probably our best result ever in our history against a team ranked that high (I say probably because I do not know for sure)

Go back to lurking

Um, draw with Italy in 2010 when they were defending champs? 

1: Win against Serbia (10th then)

2: Draw with Italy

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Jerzy Merino wrote:

I had a drink in Cuba Mall with a couple Argentinians afterwards and they said Wood was just the striker they needed. I said, hell you guys have got Messi. Yes they said, but he's no good for us. 

#neversatisfed

Argentina has been having trouble finding a decent striker since 2014. Higuain, Dybala, Icardi and Benedetto all were pretty poor since then. Who knows, maybe Wood is the answer

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Argie- wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

I had a drink in Cuba Mall with a couple Argentinians afterwards and they said Wood was just the striker they needed. I said, hell you guys have got Messi. Yes they said, but he's no good for us. 

#neversatisfed

Argentina has been having trouble finding a decent striker since 2014. Higuain, Dybala, Icardi and Benedetto all were pretty poor since then. Who knows, maybe Wood is the answer

Lucas Alario has not been tried yet ;)

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had to laugh at the Match programme. Reid was born in in 1999. I didn't know he was only 18 years old. Impressive for one so young.

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maynardf wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

Thomas is going to be a star. Easily our best on the field.

Apologies for bumping my own post, but I'm a huge Thomas fan. He's better than the Eredivisie. That run at the end (despite the mis-kick) after running non-stop for 90+ minutes...

just spoke about this with a good friend - i think he has the ability and drive to replace rufer as our best ever

That's a big call - not only was Rufer a starting player for one of the better teams at the time in one of Europe's Big Four Leagues, but he was one of the best strikers in the Bundesliga in the early nineties. Won the Bundesliga. Joint top goal-scorer in the Champions League in '93 - '94.

The Germany coach at the time, Berti Vogts, said straight out that if Rufer was German he would have been starting for Germany. And that was in a team that went on to win the European Championship in '96.

Lets see if Thomas can get a contract in one of the Big Four leagues first....

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Balbi wrote:

346,000 TV audience reported, about 7% of NZ tuning in.

Add the 38,000 in the ground, not a bad mark.

"It was the Sunday morning rugby test match in Paris that drew the biggest television audience with 482,600 tuning in to see a classic game of two halves with the All Blacks eventually beating a spirited French side 38-18.

AC Nielsen figures showed the rugby attracting nearly 100,000 more same day viewers than the Kiwis v Tonga Rugby League World Cup fixture, which got 394,400.

The All Whites v Peru World Cup qualifier had an audience of 346,500 to be the third most-watched sporting contest of the weekend.

Nothing else exceeded an audience of 60,000."

346,000 aint so bad when you consider that the rugby league was on at the same time and attracted 394,000.

You'd think that a lot more would have watched it`the league wasn't on.

Those figures include replays on Sky but not Prime TV's delayed coverage of the events.

When it coes to that, Prime's delayed coverage of the All Whites game didn't screen until 11.30 pm, after the League replay, which kind of sucks.

It's very sad though that the Phoenix game on Sunday night attracted less than 60,000 viewers.

And less than 8000 were at the stadium I think.

So, few of`the`people who attended the All Whites game could be described as committed followers of Kiwi football. 

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Or they just weren't Nix fans and probably don't have a connection to their local National League franchise either.

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

maynardf wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

Thomas is going to be a star. Easily our best on the field.

Apologies for bumping my own post, but I'm a huge Thomas fan. He's better than the Eredivisie. That run at the end (despite the mis-kick) after running non-stop for 90+ minutes...

just spoke about this with a good friend - i think he has the ability and drive to replace rufer as our best ever

That's a big call - not only was Rufer a starting player for one of the better teams at the time in one of Europe's Big Four Leagues, but he was one of the best strikers in the Bundesliga in the early nineties. Won the Bundesliga. Joint top goal-scorer in the Champions League in '93 - '94.

The Germany coach at the time, Berti Vogts, said straight out that if Rufer was German he would have been starting for Germany. And that was in a team that went on to win the European Championship in '96.

Lets see if Thomas can get a contract in one of the Big Four leagues first....

At the same age though Rufer was establishing himself in the Swiss League. Agree that he has a long way to go but you can also make a case for Wood upstaging him if his progress continues at the same rate. And that can only be a good thing for us - nice to be having the discussion!

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I was impressed by the AW's performance.

By far the best they've been under Hudson.

Everyone played pretty well.

The wing backs were the biggest surprise - neither Colvey nor Wynne had impressed previously such as the Confeds Cup but did a good job on Saturday.

Reid, Smith and Boxall were an excellent back three, in that order of ability. Reid is like two players.

Marinovich looked troubled by nothing - even Peru's best efforts didn't phase him.

Thomas had probably his best game in an All Whites shirt - he's been good right from the beginning of his Eredivisie career (scoring that brace against Ajax in the Dutch Cup Final in 2013 months after making the Zwolle first team) but this season he's reaching a new level in Holland afer being hampered by injuries last season and has been crucial in Zwolle's run to third on the Dutch table.

Rojas had some good moments and combined well at times with Thomas and Kosta.

Kosta's never likely to score much at this level (neither are Rojas nor Thomas) but he battled gamely.

Wee Mac's contribution was huge and he seems to have added a new level of aggression to his game that wasn't there before - it was there on his face - you'd be scared if you met him in a dark alley looking that determined and aggressive.  

Even a half fit Wood looked capable of scoring at any minute in his twenty minute cameo.

Roll on Lima - at least we're in with a chance !!!  

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I have to laugh now days, Rufer couldn't get a work permit to play for Norwich but went onto better things. Now, you'll be looking hard to find more than a couple of "Locals" in the starting line ups for any of the top 6 teams. How times have changed. Rufer could have done well in England but I think he certainly did the very best in Germany.

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

I was impressed by the AW's performance.

By far the best they've been under Hudson.

Everyone played pretty well.

The wing backs were the biggest surprise - neither Colvey nor Wynne had impressed previously such as the Confeds Cup but did a good job on Saturday.

Reid, Smith and Boxall were an excellent back three, in that order of ability. Reid is like two players.

Marinovich looked troubled by nothing - even Peru's best efforts didn't phase him.

Thomas had probably his best game in an All Whites shirt - he's been good right from the beginning of his Eredivisie career (scoring that brace against Ajax in the Dutch Cup Final in 2013 months after making the Zwolle first team) but this season he's reaching a new level in Holland afer being hampered by injuries last season and has been crucial in Zwolle's run to third on the Dutch table.

Rojas had some good moments and combined well at times with Thomas and Kosta.

Kosta's never likely to score much at this level (neither are Rojas nor Thomas) but he battled gamely.

Wee Mac's contribution was huge and he seems to have added a new level of aggression to his game that wasn't there before - it was there on his face - you'd be scared if you met him in a dark alley looking that determined and aggressive.  

Even a half fit Wood looked capable of scoring at any minute in his twenty minute cameo.

Roll on Lima - at least we're in with a chance !!!  

I agree with much of this, big concern for me is if they press us in this next game we could see a lot less of the ball and with that pressure comes mistakes

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Marto wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Wood_9 wrote:
I've been lurking this forum for a long time and.....
See that’s where you went wrong cause at least now we know for sure that you have no clue.

How anyone can say “that’s not a good result” when the odds are so heavily against us is fudgeing clueless.

They are expected dominate and win this tie easily

They are ranked 100 places ahead of us

We were expected to capitulate

Man for man, they beat us in 9 maybe 8 matchups for talent head to head

We have a 0-0 draw and that’s a bad result? 

What were you expecting, a 3-0 win to NZ

That’s probably our best result ever in our history against a team ranked that high (I say probably because I do not know for sure)

Go back to lurking

Um, draw with Italy in 2010 when they were defending champs? 

1: Win against Serbia (10th then)

2: Draw with Italy

Friendly can't be ahead of a World Cup game

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martinb wrote:

Marto wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Wood_9 wrote:
I've been lurking this forum for a long time and.....
See that’s where you went wrong cause at least now we know for sure that you have no clue.

How anyone can say “that’s not a good result” when the odds are so heavily against us is fudgeing clueless.

They are expected dominate and win this tie easily

They are ranked 100 places ahead of us

We were expected to capitulate

Man for man, they beat us in 9 maybe 8 matchups for talent head to head

We have a 0-0 draw and that’s a bad result? 

What were you expecting, a 3-0 win to NZ

That’s probably our best result ever in our history against a team ranked that high (I say probably because I do not know for sure)

Go back to lurking

Um, draw with Italy in 2010 when they were defending champs? 

1: Win against Serbia (10th then)

2: Draw with Italy

Friendly can't be ahead of a World Cup game

A draw can't be ahead of a win

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NZ 4-0 Mexico has got to be up there

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/1077094...

I think I remember an out of town AWs fan swinging off this thing, about a year ago.

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