Southern Football (incl Southern United) (Part 2)

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I someone going to message the West End AFC Facebook page? This ineligible player scored against them and irrespective of the fact Mosgiel are a better side, they should not be allowed to continue in the competition. Horrible blunder yes, but all sides should have an equal chance - that's why rules and regulations are there!

I do hope West End know about this, I would like to see them try and write some new history! Maybe they've ever made it this far at all!

If anyone know's the coach then let me know their number and ill call personally. There's no place for cheating in this prestigious cup competition. 

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can’t you just tell nz football if the life and death of the comp is at stake.

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Noel 76' wrote:

can’t you just tell nz football if the life and death of the comp is at stake.

The phrase "snitches get stitches" implies that anyone who is a snitch would get physically beaten up. A snitch is someone who publicly gives personal information of other people without their consent. The phrase "snitches get stitches" implies that anyone who is a snitch would get physically beaten up. Similar words.

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Gunners wrote:

I someone going to message the West End AFC Facebook page? This ineligible player scored against them and irrespective of the fact Mosgiel are a better side, they should not be allowed to continue in the competition. Horrible blunder yes, but all sides should have an equal chance - that's why rules and regulations are there!

I do hope West End know about this, I would like to see them try and write some new history! Maybe they've ever made it this far at all!

If anyone know's the coach then let me know their number and ill call personally. There's no place for cheating in this prestigious cup competition. 

No idea of the number, but this is the facebook page https://www.facebook.com/westendafc/- they receive messages directly. I think Football South deals with this as well, not NZ Football - i'm sure you could call Garbhan Coughlan who is the competitions manager

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Sounds like some horse heads dont want to play the plainsmen.

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Therealslim wrote:

Sounds like some horse heads dont want to play the plainsmen.

More like its cheating

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would never have affected the result, but to be fair that Timaru side were better than the bottom three in Dunedin Leauge.

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Therealslim wrote:

would never have affected the result, but to be fair that Timaru side were better than the bottom three in Dunedin Leauge.

That's not really the point though, is it. If you keep within the rules and regulations, then there is no problem. 

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Therealslim wrote:

would never have affected the result, but to be fair that Timaru side were better than the bottom three in Dunedin Leauge.

That's not really the point though, is it. If you keep within the rules and regulations, then there is no problem. 

Exactly

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Gunners wrote:
Therealslim wrote:

Sounds like some horse heads dont want to play the plainsmen.

More like its cheating

I wouldnt want to play them either.

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Therealslim wrote:
Gunners wrote:
Therealslim wrote:

Sounds like some horse heads dont want to play the plainsmen.

More like its cheating

I wouldnt want to play them either.

Well judging by your need to cheat, you can't be that good of a team. Not brilliant at taking responsibility either by the looks of it.

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Therealslim wrote:
Gunners wrote:
Therealslim wrote:

Sounds like some horse heads dont want to play the plainsmen.

More like its cheating

I wouldnt want to play them either.

Well judging by your need to cheat, you can't be that good of a team. Not brilliant at taking responsibility either by the looks of it.

What a joke, Need to cheat? obviously the best team in Dunedin was going to struggle against such an opposing team, get your head out of the clouds buddy. 

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Therealslim wrote:
Therealslim wrote:
Gunners wrote:
Therealslim wrote:

Sounds like some horse heads dont want to play the plainsmen.

More like its cheating

I wouldnt want to play them either.

Well judging by your need to cheat, you can't be that good of a team. Not brilliant at taking responsibility either by the looks of it.

What a joke, Need to cheat? obviously the best team in Dunedin was going to struggle against such an opposing team, get your head out of the clouds buddy. 

Why did you cheat then? 

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Maybe don't take the bait, FS.

Hopefully these concerns have been passed on to the appropriate people, it's up to them to decide if there's been a breach of the rules or if everything is okely dokely.

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Christo wrote:

Maybe don't take the bait, FS.

Hopefully these concerns have been passed on to the appropriate people, it's up to them to decide if there's been a breach of the rules or if everything is okely dokely.

I don't actually think i'm taking the bait at all - i'm just suggesting that no club should be above the rules and regulations that are in place, irrespective of a skill gap in a particular game. Yes it sucks that a clubs progress could be stunted by an administrative error, but that isn't really anyone else's fault but theirs. Take it on the chin and at least they'll know for next time. 

It would be a shame for a club like West End to not have appropriate remedies afforded to them because the other side is "the best team in Dunedin" - that would send the wrong message for ambitious teams looking to cause upsets in future years.

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Christo wrote:

Maybe don't take the bait, FS.

Hopefully these concerns have been passed on to the appropriate people, it's up to them to decide if there's been a breach of the rules or if everything is okely dokely.

I don't actually think i'm taking the bait at all - i'm just suggesting that no club should be above the rules and regulations that are in place, irrespective of a skill gap in a particular game. Yes it sucks that a clubs progress could be stunted by an administrative error, but that isn't really anyone else's fault but theirs. Take it on the chin and at least they'll know for next time. 

It would be a shame for a club like West End to not have appropriate remedies afforded to them because the other side is "the best team in Dunedin" - that would send the wrong message for ambitious teams looking to cause upsets in future years.

100% agree with you on all of that, but you're starting something with an account that joined today and is only interested in trolling. They're not adding anything to the conversation.

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Christo wrote:
Christo wrote:

Maybe don't take the bait, FS.

Hopefully these concerns have been passed on to the appropriate people, it's up to them to decide if there's been a breach of the rules or if everything is okely dokely.

I don't actually think i'm taking the bait at all - i'm just suggesting that no club should be above the rules and regulations that are in place, irrespective of a skill gap in a particular game. Yes it sucks that a clubs progress could be stunted by an administrative error, but that isn't really anyone else's fault but theirs. Take it on the chin and at least they'll know for next time. 

It would be a shame for a club like West End to not have appropriate remedies afforded to them because the other side is "the best team in Dunedin" - that would send the wrong message for ambitious teams looking to cause upsets in future years.

100% agree with you on all of that, but you're starting something with an account that joined today and is only interested in trolling. They're not adding anything to the conversation.

Fair point. I wonder when the time to appeal something like this runs out.

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Need to read through the rule book on that, anyone know where we can find it?? I’d imagine it would be a narrow window though. 

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Christo wrote:

Need to read through the rule book on that, anyone know where we can find it?? I’d imagine it would be a narrow window though. 

7.4.6 If NZF has any doubt as to the eligibility of any player taking part in this competition, it shall be the Regional Association’s, or where appropriate the NZSSFA’s, responsibility to determine the eligibility of players, and failing satisfactory proof, NZF may disqualify such player, or competing team from the competition or impose such other penalty as it may deem fit.

21.1 Matters not provided for in these regulations and cases of force majeure shall be decided by NZF. All decisions shall be final.

No date that I can see, but NZF could hypothetically make a ruling on that under 21.1

https://www.sporty.co.nz/asset/downloadasset?id=317c1499-3965-4a2c-b246-0d6539f6b136

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Christo wrote:
Christo wrote:

Maybe don't take the bait, FS.

Hopefully these concerns have been passed on to the appropriate people, it's up to them to decide if there's been a breach of the rules or if everything is okely dokely.

I don't actually think i'm taking the bait at all - i'm just suggesting that no club should be above the rules and regulations that are in place, irrespective of a skill gap in a particular game. Yes it sucks that a clubs progress could be stunted by an administrative error, but that isn't really anyone else's fault but theirs. Take it on the chin and at least they'll know for next time. 

It would be a shame for a club like West End to not have appropriate remedies afforded to them because the other side is "the best team in Dunedin" - that would send the wrong message for ambitious teams looking to cause upsets in future years.

100% agree with you on all of that, but you're starting something with an account that joined today and is only interested in trolling. They're not adding anything to the conversation.

Fair point. I wonder when the time to appeal something like this runs out.

Not really interested in trolling but was there for the taking as for not adding to the conversation agreed it may be an admin error but calling the  Mosgiel players cheaters for something they may have not been aware of is a bit far. Alas it’s in the hands of nz football now and they will make the decision at the end of they day. I’m pretty sure Mosgiel still have the right to appeal think it’s a couple of business days 

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Therealslim wrote:
Christo wrote:
Christo wrote:

Maybe don't take the bait, FS.

Hopefully these concerns have been passed on to the appropriate people, it's up to them to decide if there's been a breach of the rules or if everything is okely dokely.

I don't actually think i'm taking the bait at all - i'm just suggesting that no club should be above the rules and regulations that are in place, irrespective of a skill gap in a particular game. Yes it sucks that a clubs progress could be stunted by an administrative error, but that isn't really anyone else's fault but theirs. Take it on the chin and at least they'll know for next time. 

It would be a shame for a club like West End to not have appropriate remedies afforded to them because the other side is "the best team in Dunedin" - that would send the wrong message for ambitious teams looking to cause upsets in future years.

100% agree with you on all of that, but you're starting something with an account that joined today and is only interested in trolling. They're not adding anything to the conversation.

Fair point. I wonder when the time to appeal something like this runs out.

Not really interested in trolling but was there for the taking as for not adding to the conversation agreed it may be an admin error but calling the  Mosgiel players cheaters for something they may have not been aware of is a bit far. Alas it’s in the hands of nz football now and they will make the decision at the end of they day. I’m pretty sure Mosgiel still have the right to appeal think it’s a couple of business days 

Wasn't calling the Mosgiel players cheats, though in hindsight I could have used a less intention-based term. All the same, the rules and regulations are super easy to find and read, so admin error or not, you have to take the heat on it. Put it this way, you wouldn't be best pleased if it happened to you. And i'm unsure about rights to appeal, i've read the specific rules now and it sounds like it's pretty black and white whether a player is eligible or not, so I wouldn't be surprised if the decision was final and unable to be appealed on that basis.

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For anyone else interested, this is from the Football South regulations and NZF Disciplinary Code

https://www.sporty.co.nz/asset/downloadasset?id=729cbffc-68a7-45e7-b142-d8a036514a92

https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/asset/downloadasset?id=fe052633-6af4-4cb4-a5bb-2a6d02c8ab8d

1.20 A protest shall be made within seven (7) days of the breach by forwarding a written statement to the Federation on the club’s letterhead, signed by the club secretary or President, setting out the grounds for the protest and clearly identifying the club, the name of the persons involved and the reason of the protest.

1.93 Any Club found guilty of fielding an ineligible Player for whatever reason due to either; 

1.93.1 The receipt of a protest as per Regulation 7; 

1.93.2 Being brought to the attention of the Competitions Manager by a referee’s misconduct or incident report; 

1.93.3 In the event of the Competitions Manager performing duties as part of their normal operations.

Shall be subject to the penalties in accordance with the NZF Disciplinary Code.

NZF Disciplinary Code : 34.1 If a person takes part in an Official Match despite being ineligible, their team will be sanctioned by forfeiting the match and paying a minimum fine of $25.

So, West End AFC must make a written statement to Football South (signed with all the appropriate bits), protesting that Mosgiel AFC have fielded an ineligible player (Lewis Wall). If this is done, and said player was ineligible (which he is), Football South have no alternative but to sanction Mosgiel by way of forfeiting that match and sending West End through to play Roslyn on the 15th June. I have no idea if such an action has already been taken, but the deadline to get it in by is tomorrow, otherwise Mosgiel will be free to play on in the competition. 

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For anyone else interested, this is from the Football South regulations and NZF Disciplinary Code

https://www.sporty.co.nz/asset/downloadasset?id=729cbffc-68a7-45e7-b142-d8a036514a92

https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/asset/downloadasset?id=fe052633-6af4-4cb4-a5bb-2a6d02c8ab8d

1.20 A protest shall be made within seven (7) days of the breach by forwarding a written statement to the Federation on the club’s letterhead, signed by the club secretary or President, setting out the grounds for the protest and clearly identifying the club, the name of the persons involved and the reason of the protest.

1.93 Any Club found guilty of fielding an ineligible Player for whatever reason due to either; 

1.93.1 The receipt of a protest as per Regulation 7; 

1.93.2 Being brought to the attention of the Competitions Manager by a referee’s misconduct or incident report; 

1.93.3 In the event of the Competitions Manager performing duties as part of their normal operations.

Shall be subject to the penalties in accordance with the NZF Disciplinary Code.

NZF Disciplinary Code : 34.1 If a person takes part in an Official Match despite being ineligible, their team will be sanctioned by forfeiting the match and paying a minimum fine of $25.

So, West End AFC must make a written statement to Football South (signed with all the appropriate bits), protesting that Mosgiel AFC have fielded an ineligible player (Lewis Wall). If this is done, and said player was ineligible (which he is), Football South have no alternative but to sanction Mosgiel by way of forfeiting that match and sending West End through to play Roslyn on the 15th June. I have no idea if such an action has already been taken, but the deadline to get it in by is tomorrow, otherwise Mosgiel will be free to play on in the competition. 

Any sanction will come from NZ Football as it is their competition. 

Looking at the time line one would expect a ruling to be released tomorrow.

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Not sure is this has been posted prioer, but Marcus Fjortoft has sign for Hamilton Academicals in the Scottish Premiership

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Comet now shows Roslyn  vs West End this Saturday...

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Marshy wrote:

Comet now shows Roslyn  vs West End this Saturday...

Likewise NZ Football website

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AllWhites82 wrote:
Marshy wrote:

Comet now shows Roslyn  vs West End this Saturday...

Likewise NZ Football website

Wow - what an opportunity for Roslyn to try and go deep in this competition now

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Right result. Also hope it was just a mistake and not intentional from Mosgiel.  

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AllWhites82 wrote:
Marshy wrote:

Comet now shows Roslyn  vs West End this Saturday...

Likewise NZ Football website

Wow - what an opportunity for Roslyn to try and go deep in this competition now

Roslyn have a decent side, hope they go on a run they had some unfortunate results through the league but looking sharp now. Plus they have Ten back say what you want about him but the man bangs in some amount of goals.

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New Zealand Football wishes to advise that Mosgiel AFC has been deemed to have forfeited the round two ISPS Handa Chatham Cup match against West End AFC, played on 1 June.


The on-field result was a 5-0 win to Mosgiel but, following receipt of an official protest, the Competition Administrator has deemed an ineligible player was fielded and has imposed a 3-0 loss and minimum fine on Mosgiel.

West End will therefore now progress to round three and will replace Mosgiel in meeting Roslyn Wakari AFC away on the weekend of 15 – 16 June.

https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/77966

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Terrible outcome for the Mosgiel players who played in the game and who played no part in the admin error at all. Always seems incredibly unfair to punish a whole squad of players for an off the field paperwork error. Cannot believe any intentional rule breaking took place or an attempt to gain an advantage. Real campaign on here too from people pushing and encouraging them to be booted out the comp. Strange that. Agendas everywhere.

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Meh, rules are rules, simple as that. No-one would argue that it sucks for the players, and I don't think there's anyway it could have been intentional - WTF would deliberately bring on an ineligible player off the bench when they're cruising to a win? (and he scored, although that's irrelevant).

There's no campaign or agenda although there's probably an element of tall poppy syndrome from some which really blows but hey, that's dunedin football for you. 

But there's simply no way you can argue against the penalty. It's like a cop pulling you over for driving 10km over the speed limit. Did you hurt anyone? No. Are you going to be able to talk your way out of a speeding ticket? No.

Interesting that it's the club's second major Cup cock-up in recent years too.

Hope the $25 fine doesn't break the bank.

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Also, I really cannot comprehend how NO ONE at the club asked the simple question of 'is this guy who just transferred to our club eligible for this competition?'. Players (including the player himself), coach, manager, administrators, family members, general club members... that's pretty damn amateur

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Therealslim wrote:

Roslyn have a decent side, hope they go on a run they had some unfortunate results through the league but looking sharp now. Plus they have Ten back say what you want about him but the man bangs in some amount of goals.

Heard that Tommy Connor gone for the season so probably screws any chance of doing anything special

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sawu wrote:

Meh, rules are rules, simple as that. No-one would argue that it sucks for the players, and I don't think there's anyway it could have been intentional - WTF would deliberately bring on an ineligible player off the bench when they're cruising to a win? (and he scored, although that's irrelevant).

There's no campaign or agenda although there's probably an element of tall poppy syndrome from some which really blows but hey, that's dunedin football for you. 

But there's simply no way you can argue against the penalty. It's like a cop pulling you over for driving 10km over the speed limit. Did you hurt anyone? No. Are you going to be able to talk your way out of a speeding ticket? No.

Interesting that it's the club's second major Cup cock-up in recent years too.

Hope the $25 fine doesn't break the bank.

You can’t feel sorry for them? The rules as clear. Maybe it was all those years of not entering has really came back to bite them on the arse by not knowing the rules. They only have themselves to blame. Always next year tho guys. 

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sawu wrote:

Also, I really cannot comprehend how NO ONE at the club asked the simple question of 'is this guy who just transferred to our club eligible for this competition?'. Players (including the player himself), coach, manager, administrators, family members, general club members... that's pretty damn amateur

They were all in nappies the last time Mosgiel played in a big game, I can understand how they didn’t dot the I’s  and cross the Ts

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I know here at Caversham and also at DT that we have very good administrators and managers who always go through numerous checks to get this basic stuff right , I guess Mosgiel have never won much hence the drop in administration standards.

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Hands Horner wrote:

I know here at Caversham and also at DT that we have very good administrators and managers who always go through numerous checks to get this basic stuff right , I guess Mosgiel have never won much hence the drop in administration standards.

Id be more worried about all those away trips rather than worrying about mosgiel administrators. Best of luck against Uni as well Darrens boys are well drilled and will be tough opposition. appreciate your input 

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let’s not fight guys. No ones getting past the round of 16 

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Gunners wrote:

let’s not fight guys. No ones getting past the round of 16 

They will if they draw eachother in the next round

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