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Bullion wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Is this an indication of Talay looking to play with wide players, where Rudan didn't really?

Don't see really Sotirio filling any role in Rudans 3-5-2.

Talay will play a back 4, suspect that's part of the reason why Dura's left. Expect a 4-3-3, or a 4-5-1, depending on how you look at it.

With talk of signing another 10 - 4222/41212?

4-2-3-1 possibly? sign Bell and have him and Stensness in the two?

Surely Bell and Rufer
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i am not convinced that signing more under 20 players will work out for next season, it may of worked out if we have more years going forward but a team full of young players will maybe struggle against bigger stronger players. we kind of need players with experience and know how to play in a season of football and play consistently every week. i have been wrong before of course but we really lack players with a lot of experience to help and guide the young players on the field, the four import spots will be very important for us next season and hopefully we will get the right ones in but after watching the a league for years we all know how hit and miss it can be with imports.

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Bell I think can step straight in, along with McCowatt.

Stensness, Pjanker, Waine and Elliott offer depth and an eye to the future - but will be able to compete when called upon.

The thing that excites me most about going for these u20 players is the style in which they play. Ufuk wouldn't be trying to sign them if they didn't suit his style or philosophy etc, so I hope this is a good sign. Alternatively he might be thinking I just need players??

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MetalLegNZ wrote:

Bell I think can step straight in, along with McCowatt.

Stensness, Pjanker, Waine and Elliott offer depth and an eye to the future - but will be able to compete when called upon.

The thing that excites me most about going for these u20 players is the style in which they play. Ufuk wouldn't be trying to sign them if they didn't suit his style or philosophy etc, so I hope this is a good sign. Alternatively he might be thinking I just need players??

Libby said the u20WC was below the A-League level, so if they weren't stand outs at that level I don't think they would be able to step up straight away. I agree Bell would walk into the first team but McCowatt would still need some developing so at best a contender for a bench option imo.
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Bullion wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Is this an indication of Talay looking to play with wide players, where Rudan didn't really?

Don't see really Sotirio filling any role in Rudans 3-5-2.

Talay will play a back 4, suspect that's part of the reason why Dura's left. Expect a 4-3-3, or a 4-5-1, depending on how you look at it.

With talk of signing another 10 - 4222/41212?

4-2-3-1 possibly? sign Bell and have him and Stensness in the two?

Surely Bell and Rufer

Talay was quoted as saying he wanted to sign another 10 - not sure if that means he will go with a narrow 4 man midfield, as I posted above, or if Singh will play on the wings. 

"There's a lot of spots we're looking at at the moment; a central defender, a midfielder, 10s and nines as well, guys who are going to score goals and win us games."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/11...

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about 17 years

RR wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Bell I think can step straight in, along with McCowatt.

Stensness, Pjanker, Waine and Elliott offer depth and an eye to the future - but will be able to compete when called upon.

The thing that excites me most about going for these u20 players is the style in which they play. Ufuk wouldn't be trying to sign them if they didn't suit his style or philosophy etc, so I hope this is a good sign. Alternatively he might be thinking I just need players??

Libby said the u20WC was below the A-League level, so if they weren't stand outs at that level I don't think they would be able to step up straight away. I agree Bell would walk into the first team but McCowatt would still need some developing so at best a contender for a bench option imo.

I get your point, but preparing a striker for international matches, where generic tactics are normally rolled out because of a lack of preparation time, is a lot less thorough than preparing a striker for a league season where proper integration can be implemented.

IMO McCowatt would be fine

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MLS salaries are in.
Boxall - US$300,000
Wynne - US$74,250
Smith - US$600,000
Tuiloma - US$100,008
Collier - US$57,225

So the only chance of getting boxall back is if they don't offer him a new contract because we can't compete with that kinda contract.
Tuiloma more in the financial ballpark but he's started 11 of 13 games so far.

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valeo wrote:

This escalated quickly.

Anyhoo, which Boxall is the most likely to come back?

MLS salaries for the season are out now, Michael is on $300k US (so upwards of $450k NZ). He'd have to be open to taking a pretty big pay cut to come here you would think.

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2ndBest wrote:

MLS salaries are in.
Boxall - US$300,000
Wynne - US$74,250
Smith - US$600,000
Tuiloma - US$100,008
Collier - US$57,225

So the only chance of getting boxall back is if they don't offer him a new contract because we can't compete with that kinda contract.
Tuiloma more in the financial ballpark but he's started 11 of 13 games so far.

With Boxall, even if they don't re-sign him, there might be a chance someone else in the MLS (or even back in Saffa) offers him more money than we can.

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reg22 wrote:

RR wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Bell I think can step straight in, along with McCowatt.

Stensness, Pjanker, Waine and Elliott offer depth and an eye to the future - but will be able to compete when called upon.

The thing that excites me most about going for these u20 players is the style in which they play. Ufuk wouldn't be trying to sign them if they didn't suit his style or philosophy etc, so I hope this is a good sign. Alternatively he might be thinking I just need players??

Libby said the u20WC was below the A-League level, so if they weren't stand outs at that level I don't think they would be able to step up straight away. I agree Bell would walk into the first team but McCowatt would still need some developing so at best a contender for a bench option imo.

I get your point, but preparing a striker for international matches, where generic tactics are normally rolled out because of a lack of preparation time, is a lot less thorough than preparing a striker for a league season where proper integration can be implemented.

IMO McCowatt would be fine

Still underwhelmed me at WC..

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Bullion wrote:

Talay was quoted as saying he wanted to sign another 10 - not sure if that means he will go with a narrow 4 man midfield, as I posted above, or if Singh will play on the wings. 

"There's a lot of spots we're looking at at the moment; a central defender, a midfielder, 10s and nines as well, guys who are going to score goals and win us games."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/11...

Maybe he was just saying that he wants to sign another 10 players?

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He'll splash the cash on an experienced central defender, a tough top class midfielder to support the 'kids' (can't compete in the big A League games without one - our midfield will get hammered without one) .. and a proven goalscorer.

    

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Jag wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Talay was quoted as saying he wanted to sign another 10 - not sure if that means he will go with a narrow 4 man midfield, as I posted above, or if Singh will play on the wings. 

"There's a lot of spots we're looking at at the moment; a central defender, a midfielder, 10s and nines as well, guys who are going to score goals and win us games."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/11...

Maybe he was just saying that he wants to sign another 10 players?

"There's a lot of spots we're looking at at the moment; a central defender, a midfielder, 10s and nines as well, guys who are going to score goals and win us games."

Or maybe not.

Chant Savant
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Comfortable with Talay's recruitment thus far. Can build a squad rather than signing players to fill a roster

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C-Diddy wrote:

Comfortable with Talay's recruitment thus far. Can build a squad rather than signing players to fill a roster

My only concern is that we have tried and failed to keep a few. Otherrwise happy for him to rebuild with a bit of yoof/squadies. 
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Adding to the comments about McCowatt maybe not being ready as being suggested on here...

His goal scoring record is better than Krishna's at the same level - and arguably, that level is now harder and more professional than what it was 5 years ago. I think he can come in and start and be an influence within the right set up.

Krishna tended to run in behind the line to get balls, which made it harder to link up with his fellow attackers. McCowatt, lacking that raw pace, tends to run across the line looking to get in behind off quick one two's or to get the ball in a pocket of space to take defenders on. Quite different, but out of the two, McCowatts relationship with Singh would be the more natural IMO. That fact alone excites me.

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We currently have a very youthful looking squad. And I am hopeful that more NZ U20 players can be added. Bell, McCowatt and Pijnaker to name a few.  Now though with the departure of Durante the question on my mind is where is the leadership going to come from in this team ?

Taylor at the back obviously. But what about higher up the park ? Rufer? (hes been a bit of a hot head in the past)

This is where it is so important that Talay get his import signings right. They will be the senior figures in this team. We can't afford too many imports that speak little english because they are going to need to be good communicators as well as motivators in this team. 

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MetalLegNZ wrote:

Adding to the comments about McCowatt maybe not being ready as being suggested on here...

His goal scoring record is better than Krishna's at the same level - and arguably, that level is now harder and more professional than what it was 5 years ago. I think he can come in and start and be an influence within the right set up.

Krishna tended to run in behind the line to get balls, which made it harder to link up with his fellow attackers. McCowatt, lacking that raw pace, tends to run across the line looking to get in behind off quick one two's or to get the ball in a pocket of space to take defenders on. Quite different, but out of the two, McCowatts relationship with Singh would be the more natural IMO. That fact alone excites me.

Pace is more transferable to a higher stage and harder to defend against. 

Haven't watched a lot of McCowatt. How would he compare to say Smeltz?

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martinb wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Adding to the comments about McCowatt maybe not being ready as being suggested on here...

His goal scoring record is better than Krishna's at the same level - and arguably, that level is now harder and more professional than what it was 5 years ago. I think he can come in and start and be an influence within the right set up.

Krishna tended to run in behind the line to get balls, which made it harder to link up with his fellow attackers. McCowatt, lacking that raw pace, tends to run across the line looking to get in behind off quick one two's or to get the ball in a pocket of space to take defenders on. Quite different, but out of the two, McCowatts relationship with Singh would be the more natural IMO. That fact alone excites me.

Pace is more transferable to a higher stage and harder to defend against. 

Haven't watched a lot of McCowatt. How would he compare to say Smeltz?

Definitely a bit different, can play across a front 3 (played RW for Auckland and Suburbs) and is much better technically than Smeltz + very keen to take players on with the ball knowing he can slide past them. 

Would compare him to a slower Kosta.

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Definitely more mobile than Smeltz, but does not have lightning pace. He is not sluggish.

He still has time to grow and develop his pace with targeted training.

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If Doyle was available for retention we would really need him now to transition to a CB, despite his other limitations.

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mrsmiis wrote:

martinb wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Adding to the comments about McCowatt maybe not being ready as being suggested on here...

His goal scoring record is better than Krishna's at the same level - and arguably, that level is now harder and more professional than what it was 5 years ago. I think he can come in and start and be an influence within the right set up.

Krishna tended to run in behind the line to get balls, which made it harder to link up with his fellow attackers. McCowatt, lacking that raw pace, tends to run across the line looking to get in behind off quick one two's or to get the ball in a pocket of space to take defenders on. Quite different, but out of the two, McCowatts relationship with Singh would be the more natural IMO. That fact alone excites me.

Pace is more transferable to a higher stage and harder to defend against. 

Haven't watched a lot of McCowatt. How would he compare to say Smeltz?

Definitely a bit different, can play across a front 3 (played RW for Auckland and Suburbs) and is much better technically than Smeltz + very keen to take players on with the ball knowing he can slide past them. 

Would compare him to a slower Kosta.

Hmm. 

Kostas not really a 9

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martinb wrote:

mrsmiis wrote:

martinb wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Adding to the comments about McCowatt maybe not being ready as being suggested on here...

His goal scoring record is better than Krishna's at the same level - and arguably, that level is now harder and more professional than what it was 5 years ago. I think he can come in and start and be an influence within the right set up.

Krishna tended to run in behind the line to get balls, which made it harder to link up with his fellow attackers. McCowatt, lacking that raw pace, tends to run across the line looking to get in behind off quick one two's or to get the ball in a pocket of space to take defenders on. Quite different, but out of the two, McCowatts relationship with Singh would be the more natural IMO. That fact alone excites me.

Pace is more transferable to a higher stage and harder to defend against. 

Haven't watched a lot of McCowatt. How would he compare to say Smeltz?

Definitely a bit different, can play across a front 3 (played RW for Auckland and Suburbs) and is much better technically than Smeltz + very keen to take players on with the ball knowing he can slide past them. 

Would compare him to a slower Kosta.

Hmm. 

Kostas not really a 9

Neither is McCowatt really though
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martinb wrote:

mrsmiis wrote:

martinb wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Adding to the comments about McCowatt maybe not being ready as being suggested on here...

His goal scoring record is better than Krishna's at the same level - and arguably, that level is now harder and more professional than what it was 5 years ago. I think he can come in and start and be an influence within the right set up.

Krishna tended to run in behind the line to get balls, which made it harder to link up with his fellow attackers. McCowatt, lacking that raw pace, tends to run across the line looking to get in behind off quick one two's or to get the ball in a pocket of space to take defenders on. Quite different, but out of the two, McCowatts relationship with Singh would be the more natural IMO. That fact alone excites me.

Pace is more transferable to a higher stage and harder to defend against. 

Haven't watched a lot of McCowatt. How would he compare to say Smeltz?

Definitely a bit different, can play across a front 3 (played RW for Auckland and Suburbs) and is much better technically than Smeltz + very keen to take players on with the ball knowing he can slide past them. 

Would compare him to a slower Kosta.

Hmm. 

Kostas not really a 9

Yeah McCowatt's definitely not either. Similar both in their style of play, and that their position is ambiguous across the front three. Both primarily right wingers though

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cheers guys- just seen Handy Prem final highlights so that gives more info

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This might be way off but I see him as a cross between young kosta and singh

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isn't he a bit more imposing then both?

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isn't he a bit more imposing then both?

I was meaning in terms of how he plays, he's much bigger than both
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Boro4eva wrote:

reg22 wrote:

RR wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Bell I think can step straight in, along with McCowatt.

Stensness, Pjanker, Waine and Elliott offer depth and an eye to the future - but will be able to compete when called upon.

The thing that excites me most about going for these u20 players is the style in which they play. Ufuk wouldn't be trying to sign them if they didn't suit his style or philosophy etc, so I hope this is a good sign. Alternatively he might be thinking I just need players??

Libby said the u20WC was below the A-League level, so if they weren't stand outs at that level I don't think they would be able to step up straight away. I agree Bell would walk into the first team but McCowatt would still need some developing so at best a contender for a bench option imo.

I get your point, but preparing a striker for international matches, where generic tactics are normally rolled out because of a lack of preparation time, is a lot less thorough than preparing a striker for a league season where proper integration can be implemented.

IMO McCowatt would be fine

Still underwhelmed me at WC..

I agree, for all the talk around both him and Mata, I thought both were poor.  McCowatt seemed to be one of the slowest players on the park in the games he played in Poland.

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Marto wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

reg22 wrote:

RR wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Bell I think can step straight in, along with McCowatt.

Stensness, Pjanker, Waine and Elliott offer depth and an eye to the future - but will be able to compete when called upon.

The thing that excites me most about going for these u20 players is the style in which they play. Ufuk wouldn't be trying to sign them if they didn't suit his style or philosophy etc, so I hope this is a good sign. Alternatively he might be thinking I just need players??

Libby said the u20WC was below the A-League level, so if they weren't stand outs at that level I don't think they would be able to step up straight away. I agree Bell would walk into the first team but McCowatt would still need some developing so at best a contender for a bench option imo.

I get your point, but preparing a striker for international matches, where generic tactics are normally rolled out because of a lack of preparation time, is a lot less thorough than preparing a striker for a league season where proper integration can be implemented.

IMO McCowatt would be fine

Still underwhelmed me at WC..

I agree, for all the talk around both him and Mata, I thought both were poor.  McCowatt seemed to be one of the slowest players on the park in the games he played in Poland.

Nobody looked slow up top for us in Poland!!

They certainly look that much worst than the Norway striker who was just brought for 8 million plus - even if he did get 9 goals in a game against a team that simply gave up.

RR
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How has Joel Stevens been going since coming back from Scandinavia? I thought he was good in his cameos for the Nix a couple seasons ago.

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RR wrote:

How has Joel Stevens been going since coming back from Scandinavia? I thought he was good in his cameos for the Nix a couple seasons ago.

Was used mainly off the bench by TeeDubs. Probably wasn't as effective as couple of years ago, but that may have something to do with him arriving in the middle of the season.

Has been playing with Miramar in the Central League, and got a double against Lower Hutt Nix yesterday.

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Jesse Curran, 22 year old Aussie would be worth checking out. Out of contract with Dundee who are looking to re-sign him, but with them relegated to Scottish Championship (briefly) it seems he may be looking at other options. Mainly plays anywhere on the right, pacey & dangerous going forward. Can cover in midfield too.

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Colvinator wrote:

Jesse Curran, 22 year old Aussie would be worth checking out. Out of contract with Dundee who are looking to re-sign him, but with them relegated to Scottish Championship (briefly) it seems he may be looking at other options. Mainly plays anywhere on the right, pacey & dangerous going forward. Can cover in midfield too.

You reckon he'd be within our budget?

RR
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If Sotirio is the basis of our recruitment policy, I suppose I better ready myself for Mitch Austin being announced.

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RR wrote:

If Sotirio is the basis of our recruitment policy, I suppose I better ready myself for Mitch Austin being announced.

Do not even joke

Budgie lover
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I know people bag Mitch Austin a lot, but I do think there is some talent their. 

I would take a punt on him as a squad player who may come good. 

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Sotirio didn't get an interview with Piney, So hopefully its a higher profile signing. Must be to warrant an interview. Unless its a NZer like Brockie that people already know.

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Ranix wrote:

Sotirio didn't get an interview with Piney, So hopefully its a higher profile signing. Must be to warrant an interview

Or it is someone who is already in the country, my guess would be one of the u20's boys,
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RR wrote:

If Sotirio is the basis of our recruitment policy, I suppose I better ready myself for Mitch Austin being announced.

You'll be glad to know it's not Mitch Austin.

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