Things that piss you off...

Surge
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I wouldn't bother buying a lotto ticket this week if I was you :)

On the contrary, this is the week I'd be buying one... a few weeks back when I got the melanoma diagnosis I went straight to the Lotto shop and guess what I won?...

  

  

  

  

No, not that...

  

  

  

  

  

A fudgein bonus ticket, that produced fudge all - but I was in with a chance lol

Marquee
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best of luck mate

Marquee
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Surge wrote:

I wouldn't bother buying a lotto ticket this week if I was you :)

On the contrary, this is the week I'd be buying one... a few weeks back when I got the melanoma diagnosis I went straight to the Lotto shop and guess what I won?...

  

  

  

  

No, not that...

  

  

  

  

  

A fudgein bonus ticket, that produced fudge all - but I was in with a chance lol

Shark man that sucks.

I mean, a bonus ticket? They don't even have powerball on them. 

Seriously though, that's shark news re: the melanoma. I hope you're holding up ok

Surge
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Can I have some lungs please miss
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I'm all good thanks... the surgeon removed it and they can't find anything elsewhere so it's all positive! A bit of preventative radiation therapy and things should be done and dusted by christmas.

And I know it's the wrong thread - but big ups to our public healthcare system... sure, it's not perfect - but it's a helluva lot better than several other "developed" countries, and most of those that are less so.

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Woof Woof
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That's great news Surge.

Marquee
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BRACA1 and what goes with it.Why cant the toe rags of this world be the ones to suffer.

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ballane wrote:

BRACA1 and what goes with it.Why cant the toe rags of this world be the ones to suffer.

I hate the Jest as much as anyone but wishing such things on the Squadron is not very cool mate ;-)

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getting knocked off my pushbike on tuesday afternoon by a unwarranted and unregistered car that failed to give way.. i was in a bike lane  where two roads join into one so the bike lane is in the middle of the two roads for 20 odd meters. i looked behind me before going onto that piece of the bikelane and knew i had time to get across safely.then i heard a car motor accelerating hard and then saw a car coming up beside me, had time to yell fudge pretty loudly.my left hand got crushed between the side mirror of the car and my handlebar, then the drivers door collected me sending me flying through the air across the lane towards the middle of the road. at that point i was thinking this is not that bad until i landed on my helmet that disinegrated then i bounced and slid along the road on the right hand side of my face. i have ended up with a badly broken hand, bruised ribs, swollen left knee and some gravel rash on my left arm and hand and on my face under my nose on my nose on my cheek and beside and under my eye and across my forhead. have to see the hand surgeon next week to find out if i need an op on my hand to fix the damage. at least 3 months off work and not even able to play on the playstation.

have not even heard from the police as i was in the ambulance before they got there. also some guy dragged me off  the road by my arm pits before the ambulance got there so he could drive through the accident site. using a magnifying glass to read and write this as i cannot put my glasses on due to the gravel rash.

Marquee
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Mate that sucks! Hope you recover quickly and the guy who knocked you off gets punished

Lawyerish
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jesus mate, that sucks, i guess the only saving grace is what you said about the helmet

As for the guy who dragged you a bit so he could drive through the accident site - fudges sake there are some selfish cods out there

Where was this, city and location?

LG
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Did you have a cam??

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was in wanganui some real bad drivers here.

it was a lady with a car full of kids.

no cam

LG
Legend
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I hope some one got two sets of number plates, both deserve some justice.

Marquee
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holeinone wrote:

was in wanganui some real bad drivers here.

it was a lady with a car full of kids.

no cam

That sucks Colin. Hope you're feeling better and this person gets punished. 

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at the moment they have only been charged for failing to give way and no warrant/ no rego.

i am putting my side of accident to the copper in charge of the incident on wednesday and will see what happens from there.

i am starting to feel better now just sore ribs and my hand that still hurts like fudge. gravel rash mostly scabbed up so should not be much longer on my face.

thanks for caring i appreciate the support.

LG
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Of course we are thinking of you. Any fan that travels from Wanganui every home game deserves support.

Legend
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The often blasé Kiwi attitude to H&S. Stuck in 1970s 'she'll be right mate' days.

60 Minutes feature on the White Island tragedy.

The way those poor tourists (mostly Australian) were let down by NZ, from the moment they signed up for the tour, to waiting 2.5 hours for Rescue helicopters to be sent to Island, post the eruption, is a national disgrace. Tourists coming to Aotearoa deserve to be cared and looked after. 

Why the equipped rescue choppers couldn't at least fly out of Whakatane towards WI, and then make their own onboard decision on landing or not is just insane. After all they are trained to be rescue pilots. I bet many of them were quieting fuming, when told to stay grounded. 

Sending uninformed tourists out to the Island when it was already at alert level 2, was just utter greed chasing the tourist dollar. A then a BS Govt review is dragged out for a year (why so long), that will no doubt just sweep a pile of shark under a carpet. These poor people deserve a hell of a lot more. Shame on you Jacinda, tourist operator, Royal Caribbean & St Johns.

Legend
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coochiee wrote:

The often blasé Kiwi attitude to H&S. Stuck in 1970s 'she'll be right mate' days.

60 Minutes feature on the White Island tragedy.

The way those poor tourists (mostly Australian) were let down by NZ, from the moment they signed up for the tour, to waiting 2.5 hours for Rescue helicopters to be sent to Island, post the eruption, is a national disgrace. Tourists coming to Aotearoa deserve to be cared and looked after. 

Why the equipped rescue choppers couldn't at least fly out of Whakatane towards WI, and then make their own onboard decision on landing or not is just insane. After all they are trained to be rescue pilots. I bet many of them were quieting fuming, when told to stay grounded. 

Sending uninformed tourists out to the Island when it was already at alert level 2, was just utter greed chasing the tourist dollar. A then a BS Govt review is dragged out for a year (why so long), that will no doubt just sweep a pile of shark under a carpet. These poor people deserve a hell of a lot more. Shame on you Jacinda, tourist operator, Royal Caribbean & St Johns.

I doubt the tourist operators/tourist were uninformed. They made the choice to walk on an active Volcano. You can ask all the questions about why they were allowed to do so when it was at an elevated state, but at the end of the day choices were made by the tour operators, the cruise line and the tourists. None of those have anything to do with the government. 

Legend
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theprof wrote:

coochiee wrote:

The often blasé Kiwi attitude to H&S. Stuck in 1970s 'she'll be right mate' days.

60 Minutes feature on the White Island tragedy.

The way those poor tourists (mostly Australian) were let down by NZ, from the moment they signed up for the tour, to waiting 2.5 hours for Rescue helicopters to be sent to Island, post the eruption, is a national disgrace. Tourists coming to Aotearoa deserve to be cared and looked after. 

Why the equipped rescue choppers couldn't at least fly out of Whakatane towards WI, and then make their own onboard decision on landing or not is just insane. After all they are trained to be rescue pilots. I bet many of them were quieting fuming, when told to stay grounded. 

Sending uninformed tourists out to the Island when it was already at alert level 2, was just utter greed chasing the tourist dollar. A then a BS Govt review is dragged out for a year (why so long), that will no doubt just sweep a pile of shark under a carpet. These poor people deserve a hell of a lot more. Shame on you Jacinda, tourist operator, Royal Caribbean & St Johns.

I doubt the tourist operators/tourist were uninformed. They made the choice to walk on an active Volcano. You can ask all the questions about why they were allowed to do so when it was at an elevated state, but at the end of the day choices were made by the tour operators, the cruise line and the tourists. None of those have anything to do with the government. 

The tourists were definitely uninformed. The young Aussie girl featured in the story who survived (she lost both her dad & sister), retold how they only found out the Island was at level 2 activity (recently upgraded for stable level 1), after over hearing the guides talking on the actual Island. Then being told they would need to make that day's trip a short one, due to the recent increased level in activity. Insane stuff! Totally irresponsible of both the tour operator and Royal Caribbean, to sell a tour and take innocent tourists to WI in that situation.

Don't forget most of these tourists came from a cruise ship, calling into different NZ ports every couple of days, and obviously some of those innocent tourists making last minute decisions about what they would be doing in each destination. "You are in Mt Manganui today. Fancy a trip to Hobbiton or too a beautiful volcanic island." The girls said her family basically enquired to a flyer they saw on the ship. They weren't amateur or trained vulcanologists, just some innocent tourists trusting that their NZ hosts would be looking after them. There are no active volcanos in Aussie, they are trusting the local experts to look after them.

NZ has some fantastic people working in the tourist industry, but there is a massive duty of care, that these international visitors who may know very little to nothing about Aotearoa, and come here to spend their hard earned dollars are looked after and cared for. Taking them to an active volcano site, and neglecting to tell them that activity levels and the danger factor are both increasied.ng, is gross negligence and just smacks of pure greed.

And yes the Govt also has some responsibility. It's done a mostly great job keeping the virus at bay, and NZ a safe outlier. But the amount who have died either at WI or of Covid in NZ is roughly the same. The Covid response has cost millions & millions. So if it costs a few million to actively regulate and police the NZ tourist industry properly they should be doing it. Too many tourists die in NZ. How has the Govt allowed a tourist operator to be taking people to an active volcano, without having some extremely clear protocols, that once say Level 2 is reached tours can't operate. And then why does an investigation need to take 12 months. That's complete BS, and just smacks of a ministry hoping the incident will just quietly be forgotten about, and the report eventually being released to a low profile. Again these poor people deserved far far better.

Woof Woof
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The tourism industry is pretty badly regulated, but that's really the result of NZ's infatuation with deregulation over the last 30+ years. From memory, the local experience was that L2 activity was manageable, but it turned out not to be in this case - 15 minutes earlier or later, and everything would have been fine and no-one would've batted an eyelid. The point I'm trying to make is that it's easy to say Govt failed, no regulation, rah rah rah, but this literally had not been recognized as a significant issue until it actually happened. Should it have been - perhaps, but humans generally don't tend to proactively take steps until it becomes blindingly obvious to do so. 

The duty of care is also important, but there is an element of tourists not actually thinking through about potential consequences of activities they're about to do, and this is not a problem unique to NZ tourism industry. Again it has to do with general human tendency to think that everything will be fine, and most of the time it is, but sometimes it's not. When you go into an active geological zone, you're taking on a risk, that's just a fact of life. But very few people actually think about it when signing up for a tour like that. 

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coochiee wrote:

theprof wrote:

coochiee wrote:

The often blasé Kiwi attitude to H&S. Stuck in 1970s 'she'll be right mate' days.

60 Minutes feature on the White Island tragedy.

The way those poor tourists (mostly Australian) were let down by NZ, from the moment they signed up for the tour, to waiting 2.5 hours for Rescue helicopters to be sent to Island, post the eruption, is a national disgrace. Tourists coming to Aotearoa deserve to be cared and looked after. 

Why the equipped rescue choppers couldn't at least fly out of Whakatane towards WI, and then make their own onboard decision on landing or not is just insane. After all they are trained to be rescue pilots. I bet many of them were quieting fuming, when told to stay grounded. 

Sending uninformed tourists out to the Island when it was already at alert level 2, was just utter greed chasing the tourist dollar. A then a BS Govt review is dragged out for a year (why so long), that will no doubt just sweep a pile of shark under a carpet. These poor people deserve a hell of a lot more. Shame on you Jacinda, tourist operator, Royal Caribbean & St Johns.

I doubt the tourist operators/tourist were uninformed. They made the choice to walk on an active Volcano. You can ask all the questions about why they were allowed to do so when it was at an elevated state, but at the end of the day choices were made by the tour operators, the cruise line and the tourists. None of those have anything to do with the government. 

The tourists were definitely uninformed. The young Aussie girl featured in the story who survived (she lost both her dad & sister), retold how they only found out the Island was at level 2 activity (recently upgraded for stable level 1), after over hearing the guides talking on the actual Island. Then being told they would need to make that day's trip a short one, due to the recent increased level in activity. Insane stuff! Totally irresponsible of both the tour operator and Royal Caribbean, to sell a tour and take innocent tourists to WI in that situation.

Don't forget most of these tourists came from a cruise ship, calling into different NZ ports every couple of days, and obviously some of those innocent tourists making last minute decisions about what they would be doing in each destination. "You are in Mt Manganui today. Fancy a trip to Hobbiton or too a beautiful volcanic island." The girls said her family basically enquired to a flyer they saw on the ship. They weren't amateur or trained vulcanologists, just some innocent tourists trusting that their NZ hosts would be looking after them. There are no active volcanos in Aussie, they are trusting the local experts to look after them.

NZ has some fantastic people working in the tourist industry, but there is a massive duty of care, that these international visitors who may know very little to nothing about Aotearoa, and come here to spend their hard earned dollars are looked after and cared for. Taking them to an active volcano site, and neglecting to tell them that activity levels and the danger factor are both increasied.ng, is gross negligence and just smacks of pure greed.

And yes the Govt also has some responsibility. It's done a mostly great job keeping the virus at bay, and NZ a safe outlier. But the amount who have died either at WI or of Covid in NZ is roughly the same. The Covid response has cost millions & millions. So if it costs a few million to actively regulate and police the NZ tourist industry properly they should be doing it. Too many tourists die in NZ. How has the Govt allowed a tourist operator to be taking people to an active volcano, without having some extremely clear protocols, that once say Level 2 is reached tours can't operate. And then why does an investigation need to take 12 months. That's complete BS, and just smacks of a ministry hoping the incident will just quietly be forgotten about, and the report eventually being released to a low profile. Again these poor people deserved far far better.

Not knowing it was at level 2 is not the best and some blame needs to be put on the cruise ship and tour company (if it is true that people wernt told)

However it is an active volcano, it could be at level 1 and blow up with the same bad effects.

are we going to blame the government and tourist operators then?

the fact of the matter is it is an active volcano, key being active and im sure everyone knew that.  Im also sure there were forms people had to fill out.  They also have themselves to blame for taking the risk and doing no research themselves either.  

i have a question for you mate. (don't know the answer exactly)  how many times has white island been to level 2? and not erupted?

Ruapehu Was at level 2 a few years ago, could people go to the mountain? i assume they could

So what is different?

I find in this world we always look to blame others 

It is shark what happened and feel sorry for all the people that got hurt

I do however think we are too careful in sending help at times,  was the same after the mine, and it was crap here

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The fact charges have been laid against a lot of different people i think shows some of the problems people face in NZ now. Now I don't know the specific charges and what exactly happened so on most of them i won't comment, but it does seem like they are just trying to blame people for everything.

I have been to volcanoes before that were dormant or had low levels of activity.  I knew however that it was a volcano and could erupt at any time.  If i had been hurt because it erupted i would not blame anyone but myself.

There was a volcano that erupted suddenly several years back here in Japan called Mt Ontake.  several people sadly lost their lives that day, but no charges were laid. There was evidence of some mistakes by the JMA (people in charge of volcanoes) as there was increased earthquake activity but it received no extra monitoring.  

The fact GNS has been charged is a dangerous president. Look at the Italian scientist that got arrested because they didnt predict an earthquake....  Is that what's next for our scientists??  if we go down this path of charging them with criminal convictions for something that could be seen as a mistake will scare away people from the field and untimely hinder our research on such things. The GNS said there was increased activity.... It is a private island what more can they say. They came out and were as surprised as anyone it erupted even though it had high activity levels.....

This is badly worded but we need to be careful what we do here... and i know i will be watching carefully to see what these people get charged for

One in a million
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Agree totally. Do we charge mother nature??

Legend
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The tourists who went onto the Island that day weren't told the alert levels had increased until they had got onto the Island. That was a major failure of duty of care by both Tourist Operator, and Cruise ship where many of them booked their tickets.

If you live in Edgecumbe as joe public you may be aware of that stuff, but if you are a tourist from Sydney who has never heard of White Island until you saw a flyer up on your cruise ship, and just booked it on a last minute whim you can't be expected to know that stuff. You deserve to be informed though, as it may completely change your idea of visiting an active volcano. Visiting a first world country like NZ, you have some expectation that the locals are being open and honest about everything, including all important facts like a rise in alert levels. 

We don't know all the details, but from afar I don't think GNS has much responsibility. But tourist operator and cruise ship both seriously failed their duty of care responsibilities in my view. I would hate to think they had a culture of just focusing solely on the tourist dollar, at all costs.

One in a million
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People go to visit active volcanoes, the thrill being that there is a risk. Humans are gamblers. Of course we dont think it will happen to us. And it nearly always doesnt.

Marquee
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But if you're told it's safe do you know your gambling?

Legend
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Ryan wrote:

But if you're told it's safe do you know your gambling?

this is something we'll never really know, what were the punters told? Were they told its level 2? were they told its an active volcano? Were they told its perfectly safe? These things will be discovered and discussed in whatever trial there is. Personally, I think regardless of what your told some personal responsibility needs to be taken with your own safety. An active volcano can erupt at any time - regardless of a warning level. You take a walk on it at your own risk. Yes the tour guides/cruise ships have a responsibility to warn you of any dangers but after that its on the customer to decide. Any lawsuits, or fines should realistically only apply to the cruise line company and the tour company for deciding it was safe to take a tour at a level 2 warning level. GNS, for mine has done nothing wrong.

Legend
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Some survivors have already said they not informed of any recent increase in activity levels until they arrived on the Island. That in itself is an element of dishonesty, you can’t expect someone who has just arrived in the country to know this stuff. They should have been told this prior to booking.

Legend
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coochiee wrote:

Some survivors have already said they not informed of any recent increase in activity levels until they arrived on the Island. That in itself is an element of dishonesty, you can’t expect someone who has just arrived in the country to know this stuff. They should have been told this prior to booking.

oh totally, that's on the cruise line or the tour company though, not GNS who raised the alert level.

Starting XI
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theprof wrote:

coochiee wrote:

Some survivors have already said they not informed of any recent increase in activity levels until they arrived on the Island. That in itself is an element of dishonesty, you can’t expect someone who has just arrived in the country to know this stuff. They should have been told this prior to booking.

oh totally, that's on the cruise line or the tour company though, not GNS who raised the alert level.

All these people that are sayin they didn't knw are cruise ship passengers and i think they should have been told (could of been told) but as said above people do need to take some form of responsibility themselves aswell.  I imagine people might have had to sign waivers before going to the island aswell?

Starting XI
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"Dave Doggart visited at Easter and said the waiver he signed made it clear it was an unpredictable and active volcano."

One in a million
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and as far as I know, Whakaari had been at level two for a while, it wasn't just raised in the week before the eruption.

Marquee
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Around Christmas when people constantly ask what day you knock off for the year and then sound shocked when you say you are working through. Not everyone has jobs that shut down over the Christmas period. 

tradition and history
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Around Christmas when people constantly ask what day you knock off for the year and then sound shocked when you say you are working through. Not everyone has jobs that shut down over the Christmas period. 

THIS

LG
Legend
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Having to type "This Point' because the 'This Point' button isn't working.

tradition and history
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No Premier League team has paid respect for Sir Tom Moore but keep taking a knee for  a career criminal  5700ks  away.

One in a million
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Leggy wrote:

No Premier League team has paid respect for Sir Tom Moore but keep taking a knee for  a career criminal  5700ks  away.

I think they are taking a knee for the anti-black and coloured racism in many countries of the world.

LG
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But Leggy isn't making that point, he is wondering why no football club has taken to show respect to a War Hero, a fund raiser yet they want to jump on the band wagon for really is an acknowledgement of a Career criminal. (Yes, that he died in a wrongful manner is acknowledged) Law abiding Citizen V Career Crim.

I think a black arm band and a minutes silence is the least they could have done.

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brentford and bristol city did a minutes applause before their game the other morning with a picture of him up on the big screen.

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