R8 v Adelaide United | Sun 1st Dec | 8:00pm | SS7

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valeo wrote:

Devlin panics on the ball; not sure about him

He sprayed some very decent passes - with more time he will be a very good player

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Mainland FC wrote:

valeo wrote:

When you've already been warned, don't do it. Simple.

I thought it was completely fine until the last one, but the camera caught Talay instructing him to do it - so, if anything, blame Ufuk I guess.

Agreed. Libby is a young player and if Talay thought this carry-on was not acceptable, you can bet your money Taylor would have chewed his ear off before Talay would have also had a word.  You can bet that this is all encouraged within reason.

Trouble is before you realise it he has reached five cards and when they are for rubbish like this its just wasted and to early in the season to be gifting cards away.
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maynardf wrote:

theprof wrote:

Sotirio showing why he is not a striker, Great runner, but nit a finsiher.

Sotitio is a winger we are paling as striker 

By now, Talay's value is showing in his use of the players he has at his disposal to their best of their potential.

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Gordinho wrote:

We looked really good tonight. We could have got a few more if some speculative passes had come off as well - the opposition can't get a foot in front of all of them...... Hooper is quietly building up to speed - they're really looking after him (and so far at not cost t the team in results). In the mean time Ball has shown what he can do and he constantly gets himself into those danger areas. We really do have some good attacking options that are all growing into the game (lie Ball, Davila, Sotirio, McCowatt and Hooper building up to match fitness while providing the scare factor as well) while the defensive end is settling nicely. Its going to be a very tight season. Perhaps we'll not be quite so far under the radar now....

We looked great by the standard of our early season performances, and had periods of excellent, smooth flowing play.  More of that, please. Hopefully Ball will finally recoup his confidence too.

At the same  time, I prefer not to get carried away. For all our improvement, it was a two-to-one win, and one of our goals came from a penalty. It could have easily finished one all, and I would have still been happy with the result and not felt robbed.  Not taking away anything from the team, great performance, but it could have ended 1:2, 1:1, 2:1 or 2:2 just as easily.

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we were bottom of the league because we kept losing games by the odd goal when we could have won. Think both WU and Sydney in that regard.  No one has wiped us out when we have lost. 

Now we have won two in a row by the odd goal.  The tide has turned and this team is gelling. We are more than capable of making the playoffs 

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This picture says it all

(courtesy Getty Images)

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Davila and Cacace were immense

Payne, Hooper. Piscopo and Rufer were also impressive

What a goal from Adelaide!

Very excited with team and the current form, looking very sharp and we have good depth when the likes of Waine isn't required 

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Hard to know where hooper comes in, can't drop Sotirio I reckon his pace is vital for the team maybe move Ball into piscopo postion and Hooper up top?

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Sanday wrote:

Lets send Perth to the spoon position.

Hmmmm maybe i should make these crazy statements more often.

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At the end of the day, the better team won. On paper Adelaide may have better players, but the lion's share of the game, it was all us. 

Hooper really showed completely what a class above everyone he is. Link up play, movement, shielding, defending - we looked a much better team going forward with him and Ball on the pitch. It was a bold sub by Talay that paid off.

Payne's playing well at LB - aside from the few sky'd crosses.

I think Cal's still a better option than Piscopo, but he played well Today. It was a shame he hit the early header straight at the keeper. 

For all his excellent runs, Sotirio would get in these good positions then fritter possession cheaply. It was really frustrating. 

The team's finally starting to settle - we seem to be getting better with every game <3

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there is some decent enough outcomes from our variety of corners - much more so than under the last regime.


btw how many ball juggles do you think DeVere could do?

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How good to get up on  a Monday after a performance like that,some random thoughts.

Can you imagine the moans if Libby had given away a penalty like that. Seems the VAR  might not be as against us as some claim

How come people moan about the chances Sotirio misses yet little or no comment about Mccowatts.

How good would it be to see Hooper play a full game.

Someone is going to get belted when they put their shooting  boots on.

When are some going to admit they went early on their rubbish claims.

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ballane wrote:

How good to get up on  a Monday after a performance like that,some random thoughts.

Can you imagine the moans if Libby had given away a penalty like that. Seems the VAR  might not be as against us as some claim

How come people moan about the chances Sotirio misses yet little or no comment about Mccowatts.

How good would it be to see Hooper play a full game.

Someone is going to get belted when they put their shooting  boots on.

When are some going to admit they went early on their rubbish claims.

we've had our fair share of VAR decisions go against us, the Fenton handball is the most obvious.

Sotirio is an experienced player and should be scoring more given the game time he gets, McCowatt is young and developing and has scored more than Sotirio for us already.

Hooper and all together would be scary, just have to work out how you then fit Davila, Sotirio, Rufer, Piscopo and Steinman into the mix

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Not sure they need to all be fitted in at the same time.Great to have someone on the bench to keep the pressure on if some one isn't playing well. Also dont think experience really matters if your expecting him to score he should really have done better with those to chances. Not having a crack as like him just saying there seems to be double standards applied to some players.

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ballane wrote:

Not sure they need to all be fitted in at the same time.Great to have someone on the bench to keep the pressure on if some one isn't playing well. Also dont think experience really matters if your expecting him to score he should really have done better with those to chances. Not having a crack as like him just saying there seems to be double standards applied to some players.

Agreed. Just have a look at Davila who will shoot as soon as he is in likely position. He may miss, but he is not risking passing it to someone else who is not in any better position to score.

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ballane wrote:

Not sure they need to all be fitted in at the same time.Great to have someone on the bench to keep the pressure on if some one isn't playing well. Also dont think experience really matters if your expecting him to score he should really have done better with those to chances. Not having a crack as like him just saying there seems to be double standards applied to some players.

I think its good that we have a number of players that are good and interchangeable with each other. A strong bench is key over the course of a season, not only giving us cover should the inevidible injuries occur but also the ability to change it up during a game and inject a slightly different [but good] player into the mix to force desired change.
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theprof wrote:

ballane wrote:

How good to get up on  a Monday after a performance like that,some random thoughts.

Can you imagine the moans if Libby had given away a penalty like that. Seems the VAR  might not be as against us as some claim

How come people moan about the chances Sotirio misses yet little or no comment about Mccowatts.

How good would it be to see Hooper play a full game.

Someone is going to get belted when they put their shooting  boots on.

When are some going to admit they went early on their rubbish claims.

we've had our fair share of VAR decisions go against us, the Fenton handball is the most obvious.

Sotirio is an experienced player and should be scoring more given the game time he gets, McCowatt is young and developing and has scored more than Sotirio for us already.

Hooper and all together would be scary, just have to work out how you then fit Davila, Sotirio, Rufer, Piscopo and Steinman into the mix

irrc McCowatt hasn't scored this season?

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Mainland FC wrote:

Gordinho wrote:

We looked really good tonight. We could have got a few more if some speculative passes had come off as well - the opposition can't get a foot in front of all of them...... Hooper is quietly building up to speed - they're really looking after him (and so far at not cost t the team in results). In the mean time Ball has shown what he can do and he constantly gets himself into those danger areas. We really do have some good attacking options that are all growing into the game (lie Ball, Davila, Sotirio, McCowatt and Hooper building up to match fitness while providing the scare factor as well) while the defensive end is settling nicely. Its going to be a very tight season. Perhaps we'll not be quite so far under the radar now....

We looked great by the standard of our early season performances, and had periods of excellent, smooth flowing play.  More of that, please. Hopefully Ball will finally recoup his confidence too.

At the same  time, I prefer not to get carried away. For all our improvement, it was a two-to-one win, and one of our goals came from a penalty. It could have easily finished one all, and I would have still been happy with the result and not felt robbed.  Not taking away anything from the team, great performance, but it could have ended 1:2, 1:1, 2:1 or 2:2 just as easily.

It's a close league, and most games are only won by one goal - we were clearly the better team, and if we drew I would've been disappointed as it wouldn't have been a fair reflection of the game; this is shown by Adelaide supporters complaining more about their own team than the pen.

I still can't believe how good Davila has been after that first game where he was, quite frankly, terrible. It's like that was his twin brother playing and the real Davila flew in later.

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wilbaker wrote:

theprof wrote:

ballane wrote:

How good to get up on  a Monday after a performance like that,some random thoughts.

Can you imagine the moans if Libby had given away a penalty like that. Seems the VAR  might not be as against us as some claim

How come people moan about the chances Sotirio misses yet little or no comment about Mccowatts.

How good would it be to see Hooper play a full game.

Someone is going to get belted when they put their shooting  boots on.

When are some going to admit they went early on their rubbish claims.

we've had our fair share of VAR decisions go against us, the Fenton handball is the most obvious.

Sotirio is an experienced player and should be scoring more given the game time he gets, McCowatt is young and developing and has scored more than Sotirio for us already.

Hooper and all together would be scary, just have to work out how you then fit Davila, Sotirio, Rufer, Piscopo and Steinman into the mix

irrc McCowatt hasn't scored this season?

yeah my bad, mistook Waine for McCowatt

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good game from the fellas- rufer was immense. I still feel we should be replacing josh, he good at running but everything else is woeful. Bring on the next game.

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ballane wrote:

Also dont think experience really matters if your expecting him to score he should really have done better with those to chances. Not having a crack as like him just saying there seems to be double standards applied to some players.

Double standards? You're comparing a player with 6 years A-League experience with WSW (81 games) to a kid who joined this year and has only played 7 A-league games (according to Wiki). Not exactly apples.

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Joey Johns wrote:

good game from the fellas- rufer was immense. I still feel we should be replacing josh, he good at running but everything else is woeful. Bring on the next game.

He reminds me of Appiah a few years back.
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Royz wrote:

Joey Johns wrote:

good game from the fellas- rufer was immense. I still feel we should be replacing josh, he good at running but everything else is woeful. Bring on the next game.

He reminds me of Appiah a few years back.

He's not that bad! No one is that bad.

Very encouraging performance from the team; played some neat football and were easily the better team in that game.

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TreeFiddy wrote:

ballane wrote:

Also dont think experience really matters if your expecting him to score he should really have done better with those to chances. Not having a crack as like him just saying there seems to be double standards applied to some players.

Double standards? You're comparing a player with 6 years A-League experience with WSW (81 games) to a kid who joined this year and has only played 7 A-league games (according to Wiki). Not exactly apples.

Sorry cant agree at all,same standard should apply if your good enough to take the field why should less be expected from him. Seems Talay appreciated what Sotirio brings far more than others. Thankfully its him selecting the team.
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harrymc wrote:

Royz wrote:

Joey Johns wrote:

good game from the fellas- rufer was immense. I still feel we should be replacing josh, he good at running but everything else is woeful. Bring on the next game.

He reminds me of Appiah a few years back.

He's not that bad! No one is that bad.

Very encouraging performance from the team; played some neat football and were easily the better team in that game.

The same Appiah keeping the leagues highest ever goal scorer (Berisha) on the bench?

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maynardf wrote:

harrymc wrote:

Royz wrote:

Joey Johns wrote:

good game from the fellas- rufer was immense. I still feel we should be replacing josh, he good at running but everything else is woeful. Bring on the next game.

He reminds me of Appiah a few years back.

He's not that bad! No one is that bad.

Very encouraging performance from the team; played some neat football and were easily the better team in that game.

The same Appiah keeping the leagues highest ever goal scorer (Berisha) on the bench?

There's a bit more to it than that, ie, Berisha's injury and apparently a falling out between him and Rudan. Appiah and Sotirio are very similar cases, both very fast, with flashes of brilliance but inconsistent, often showing poor touch at the crucial moment and a general inability to score.

They are the sort of player you'd prefer not to have in your starting lineup but they are useful squad backups.

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Joey Johns wrote:

good game from the fellas- rufer was immense. I still feel we should be replacing josh, he good at running but everything else is woeful. Bring on the next game.

assist for Ball's goal was pretty handy.....put it in the space Hooper had run through and on a plate for Ball with defender dragged away. Great team goal bit it needed the right pass.
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Outpost wrote:

maynardf wrote:

harrymc wrote:

Royz wrote:

Joey Johns wrote:

good game from the fellas- rufer was immense. I still feel we should be replacing josh, he good at running but everything else is woeful. Bring on the next game.

He reminds me of Appiah a few years back.

He's not that bad! No one is that bad.

Very encouraging performance from the team; played some neat football and were easily the better team in that game.

The same Appiah keeping the leagues highest ever goal scorer (Berisha) on the bench?

There's a bit more to it than that, ie, Berisha's injury and apparently a falling out between him and Rudan. Appiah and Sotirio are very similar cases, both very fast, with flashes of brilliance but inconsistent, often showing poor touch at the crucial moment and a general inability to score.

They are the sort of player you'd prefer not to have in your starting lineup but they are useful squad backups.

Unless your Talay,he along with a few pundits seem to think he is doing an okay job For him to keep starting he must be showing Talay something or be doing what he asks of him.Given the improvement being shown by the team considering where we have come from im glad its him making the decisions and not some of the posters on hear.LOL
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Outpost wrote:

Berisha's injury and apparently a falling out between him and Rudan




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Outpost wrote:

maynardf wrote:

harrymc wrote:

Royz wrote:

Joey Johns wrote:

good game from the fellas- rufer was immense. I still feel we should be replacing josh, he good at running but everything else is woeful. Bring on the next game.

He reminds me of Appiah a few years back.

He's not that bad! No one is that bad.

Very encouraging performance from the team; played some neat football and were easily the better team in that game.

The same Appiah keeping the leagues highest ever goal scorer (Berisha) on the bench?

There's a bit more to it than that, ie, Berisha's injury and apparently a falling out between him and Rudan. Appiah and Sotirio are very similar cases, both very fast, with flashes of brilliance but inconsistent, often showing poor touch at the crucial moment and a general inability to score.

They are the sort of player you'd prefer not to have in your starting lineup but they are useful squad backups.

The one thing Sotirio has over Appiah is that he seems to be consistently finding assists - if he can keep doing that, then it's hard to bench him. He's probably the best crosser in the team.

Sotirio also quite clearly has something that no one else in our attacking 3rd does - pace; this is important to drive their defensive line back and to just generally worry them a bit more. He's always going to be a frustrating player, but he's doing a job.

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valeo wrote:

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The one thing Sotirio has over Appiah is that he seems to be consistently finding assists - if he can keep doing that, then it's hard to bench him. He's probably the best crosser in the team.

Sotirio also quite clearly has something that no one else in our attacking 3rd does - pace; this is important to drive their defensive line back and to just generally worry them a bit more. He's always going to be a frustrating player, but he's doing a job.

Agreed.  Early on I was going to nominate him for the Scapegoat of the New Season but I would say he has signs of being really handy, fast and while not a finisher then a decent provider. Plus he seems bulletproof.

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but does Josh offer more than McCowatt or Waine? id like to see Waine offered the same chances tbh as he is clearly more skillfull and arguably just as quick.

My biggest fear is that we have another Rojas/Boyd situation developing. 

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Niche Cache wrote-

But you do have to wonder if maybe McCowatt and Piscopo ought to both be starting because we’ve seen a lot of Jaushua Sotirio so far and it’s not quite clicking. It’s the same old story every time, this dude looks fantastic in the build up and then he gets into the penalty area and forgets how to play footy. Poetically he almost won a penalty but of course it turned out the contact was made outside the area because it’s Sotirio so of course it was – he’d have already bundled it out for a goal kick otherwise. It was that one on one he wasted in the first half though, that was the infuriating one. He didn’t even look like scoring

http://theniche-cache.com/football/2019/12/2/and-thus-the-welly-nix-are-properly-up-and-running

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Joey Johns wrote:

but does Josh offer more than McCowatt or Waine? id like to see Waine offered the same chances tbh as he is clearly more skillfull and arguably just as quick.

My biggest fear is that we have another Rojas/Boyd situation developing. 

McCowatt doesn't have that kind of pace. And while Waine is quick, he may not be up to it physically over 90 minutes. Sotirio fills a role in Talay's system, and while he can be frustrating, he isn't doing anywhere near as badly as some are making it out. The case in point is his miss from last night, which while not great, wasn't really worse than Piscopo's in the first minute, but noone is wanting to lynch him for it. Coincidentally, it was Sotirio who provided the cross for that chance.

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Sotorio also missed a failry good heading opportunity and has missed other good chances over the start of the season.

He had his best game of the season last night. Worked hard and made some good things happen, but if he is going to play up top he needs to have a better final product.

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He isnt the only one missing chances but for scapegoat reason seems the only one being focused on.As elgrap said he isnt going as badly as some make out and i prefer the gaffers call on thse things.

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One thing that really concerns me is that with Sotirio's performances getting appreciated more widely, we are really struggling for a scapegoat. I thought Ball might emerge as a candidate, but he went and put in a(nother) good performance and capped it off with GOAL! 

This lack of a scapegoat could be a real gap in the team. I'm not sure how we will manage.

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ballane wrote:

He isnt the only one missing chances but for scapegoat reason seems the only one being focused on.As elgrap said he isnt going as badly as some make out and i prefer the gaffers call on thse things.

Lols

He's doing more defending than Vinnie Lia did and getting assists. 

What's not to like. 

#scapegoatupgrade

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ballane wrote:

He isnt the only one missing chances but for scapegoat reason seems the only one being focused on.As elgrap said he isnt going as badly as some make out and i prefer the gaffers call on thse things.

Runs all day and managed to square it to a team mate on the penalty spot, where all others were shooting from outside the box. Thought it was a good game for him. He's not Roy, but Roy missed a lot too- it's just we created more and he scored some of them.

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