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Actually good to read something not put together by Mr Singh! Non of the 18m beefeater coalface bollicks he produces! just a straight forward report on the game.

Yeah Shane Hurndell definitely has a more classic writing style compared to Anendra Singh but Anendra is definitely a football man!

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about 6 years

lol at Bill Roberston losing it at every goal HBU concede when he's been at fault for about half the goals this season.

Cock
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Foot20Ball wrote:

lol at Bill Roberston losing it at every goal HBU concede when he's been at fault for about half the goals this season.

The last 3 seasons. Experienced defender, but makes Sigmund and Mark Richardson look like Olympic athletes in terms of turn and pace
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about 6 years

I'm struggling to see the sense in the signing of 'young local' players when they are clearly not trusted or considered good enough? 4-0 down at Wellington and subs are made in the 90th and 94th minute? They've turned to a back three of 30 somethings. 

Ultimately this may cost HBU in the long run. Would they have been better off signing some experienced 25/26/27 year old's who will actually contribute and having those young boys train with the first team (which is what they're effectively doing) rather than some overseas lads who have not even been involved in a squad? 

Starting XI
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over 8 years

Bring Back Brett

WeeNix
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almost 11 years

Foot20Ball wrote:

I'm struggling to see the sense in the signing of 'young local' players when they are clearly not trusted or considered good enough? 4-0 down at Wellington and subs are made in the 90th and 94th minute? They've turned to a back three of 30 somethings. 

Ultimately this may cost HBU in the long run. Would they have been better off signing some experienced 25/26/27 year old's who will actually contribute and having those young boys train with the first team (which is what they're effectively doing) rather than some overseas lads who have not even been involved in a squad? 

They have talked up when Chris and Bill became coaches about having a largely local side... now realising that is actually easier said then done. They have to be seen to be developing young local players, 94th minute makes it look like they giving the young boys a chance.

Have to say only seeing very short highlights package of the goals since the break some very poor schoolboy defending for the goals. Bill Danny and Fergus

Starting XI
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almost 9 years

Foot20Ball wrote:

I'm struggling to see the sense in the signing of 'young local' players when they are clearly not trusted or considered good enough? 4-0 down at Wellington and subs are made in the 90th and 94th minute? They've turned to a back three of 30 somethings. 

Ultimately this may cost HBU in the long run. Would they have been better off signing some experienced 25/26/27 year old's who will actually contribute and having those young boys train with the first team (which is what they're effectively doing) rather than some overseas lads who have not even been involved in a squad? 

They have talked up when Chris and Bill became coaches about having a largely local side... now realising that is actually easier said then done. They have to be seen to be developing young local players, 94th minute makes it look like they giving the young boys a chance.

Have to say only seeing very short highlights package of the goals since the break some very poor schoolboy defending for the goals. Bill Danny and Fergus

that 94th minute sub was weird, they were 4-0 down and the game was all but finished, I think the player got 20 seconds before the ref blew for full time!

WeeNix
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Foot20Ball wrote:

I'm struggling to see the sense in the signing of 'young local' players when they are clearly not trusted or considered good enough? 4-0 down at Wellington and subs are made in the 90th and 94th minute? They've turned to a back three of 30 somethings. 

Ultimately this may cost HBU in the long run. Would they have been better off signing some experienced 25/26/27 year old's who will actually contribute and having those young boys train with the first team (which is what they're effectively doing) rather than some overseas lads who have not even been involved in a squad? 

They have talked up when Chris and Bill became coaches about having a largely local side... now realising that is actually easier said then done. They have to be seen to be developing young local players, 94th minute makes it look like they giving the young boys a chance.

Have to say only seeing very short highlights package of the goals since the break some very poor schoolboy defending for the goals. Bill Danny and Fergus

that 94th minute sub was weird, they were 4-0 down and the game was all but finished, I think the player got 20 seconds before the ref blew for full time!

4-0.down, why would you not give the kids 10 minutes at the end to actually allow them to gain some experience... thought these 2 in charge would have been a bit more switch on to something like that.

Marquee
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over 12 years

Foot20Ball wrote:

I'm struggling to see the sense in the signing of 'young local' players when they are clearly not trusted or considered good enough? 4-0 down at Wellington and subs are made in the 90th and 94th minute? They've turned to a back three of 30 somethings. 

Ultimately this may cost HBU in the long run. Would they have been better off signing some experienced 25/26/27 year old's who will actually contribute and having those young boys train with the first team (which is what they're effectively doing) rather than some overseas lads who have not even been involved in a squad? 

They have talked up when Chris and Bill became coaches about having a largely local side... now realising that is actually easier said then done. They have to be seen to be developing young local players, 94th minute makes it look like they giving the young boys a chance.

Have to say only seeing very short highlights package of the goals since the break some very poor schoolboy defending for the goals. Bill Danny and Fergus

that 94th minute sub was weird, they were 4-0 down and the game was all but finished, I think the player got 20 seconds before the ref blew for full time!

4-0.down, why would you not give the kids 10 minutes at the end to actually allow them to gain some experience... thought these 2 in charge would have been a bit more switch on to something like that.

Not sure which player were subed off but a few HB players looked very disinterested when the extra 6? were held up.
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almost 6 years

Foot20Ball wrote:

I'm struggling to see the sense in the signing of 'young local' players when they are clearly not trusted or considered good enough? 4-0 down at Wellington and subs are made in the 90th and 94th minute? They've turned to a back three of 30 somethings. 

Ultimately this may cost HBU in the long run. Would they have been better off signing some experienced 25/26/27 year old's who will actually contribute and having those young boys train with the first team (which is what they're effectively doing) rather than some overseas lads who have not even been involved in a squad? 

They have talked up when Chris and Bill became coaches about having a largely local side... now realising that is actually easier said then done. They have to be seen to be developing young local players, 94th minute makes it look like they giving the young boys a chance.

Have to say only seeing very short highlights package of the goals since the break some very poor schoolboy defending for the goals. Bill Danny and Fergus

Anyone who watched a few NCR games this year would have picked this up as Bill's idea of youth development.

Trialist
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about 15 years

Tough Crowd,  Sitting 4th in the league.  Brought homegrown players Niel and Kilkolly back to the bay.  Utilized players already in the area with Rovers.  

Legend
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about 17 years

tonycottee wrote:

Tough Crowd,  Sitting 4th in the league.  Brought homegrown players Niel and Kilkolly back to the bay.  Utilized players already in the area with Rovers.  

Bringing in kilkolly who couldn’t get on the pitch at TW represents HB youth policy?

WeeNix
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tonycottee wrote:

Tough Crowd,  Sitting 4th in the league.  Brought homegrown players Niel and Kilkolly back to the bay.  Utilized players already in the area with Rovers.  

Did Neil leave or was he injured last season? Tough on the kid who gets 30 seconds of the bench! 

Utilized players because it's the same coach prob trying to play same style. If there were players a previous coach wanted I'm sure they would have invited them to hbu but obviously did rate them.

They have bought in 3 imports for summer, did any of the rovers imports stay as well?

Trialist
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6th in the league lost three on the bounce not 4th and have won 1 of their last 7. Utilising players who played for NCR is still not using locally developed players. Part of the problem is that Bill brings in imports to NCR which means local young players don't get the opportunity and that flows through to HBU. 

I'm fine with that, do what you have to do, but don't preach about they young local kids - highlight their signings above the '3' imports and then not actually play them. Be transparent about it, because the people who hung Brett out to dry for doing that are doing the exact same thing but in a way that is actually more demeaning. Last thing you want is to come on in the 94th minute when you're getting battered.

WeeNix
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almost 11 years

Smoke and mirrors!

Trialist
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Feverish wrote:

tonycottee wrote:

Tough Crowd,  Sitting 4th in the league.  Brought homegrown players Niel and Kilkolly back to the bay.  Utilized players already in the area with Rovers.  

Bringing in kilkolly who couldn’t get on the pitch at TW represents HB youth policy?

Who mentioned that Kilkolly represented the youth policy?  Maybe you're getting your threads confused? My point was its a positive that HB players are returning home rather than leaving for non-university reasons as they did under the old reign.  

However, HB still has the same problem they will always have and that's depths.   The only other team in a similar situation is Tasman.  There is no point the coaches putting people on the park, losing week in and week out and claiming to be doing the right thing for the youth.  I for one got sick of that cop-out around 5 years ago??  

The Bay is a genuine chance for a play of spot again this season (at time of writing) so if you think nows a good time to take a punt on some unproven players get ya hand of it. 

Phoenix Academy
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Phoenix Academy
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ol'sole wrote:

Anendra's write up on today's game

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/...

wtf is he talking about....
WeeNix
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tonycottee wrote:

Feverish wrote:

tonycottee wrote:

Tough Crowd,  Sitting 4th in the league.  Brought homegrown players Niel and Kilkolly back to the bay.  Utilized players already in the area with Rovers.  

Bringing in kilkolly who couldn’t get on the pitch at TW represents HB youth policy?

Who mentioned that Kilkolly represented the youth policy?  Maybe you're getting your threads confused? My point was its a positive that HB players are returning home rather than leaving for non-university reasons as they did under the old reign.  

However, HB still has the same problem they will always have and that's depths.   The only other team in a similar situation is Tasman.  There is no point the coaches putting people on the park, losing week in and week out and claiming to be doing the right thing for the youth.  I for one got sick of that cop-out around 5 years ago??  

The Bay is a genuine chance for a play of spot again this season (at time of writing) so if you think nows a good time to take a punt on some unproven players get ya hand of it. 

Are they really doing anything different to previous reigns??? which reign are you talking about? Angell, Chandler, Gould, Cotton???  yes they have prob got more city rovers players so financially that is a prob a plus for rovers and hbu. But that is prob due to having same coach. 

Who are the players that would have previously left for non uni reasons that would have been playing? 

Killkoly obviouly made the correct call going to wellington with what he has been involved with there. He obviously brings some experience to the team now and fact he is a local is obviously good.

Trialist
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Fergus has been back at the Bay since 2016, Kilkolly came back to the Bay because he had no other option. 

I think you missed my point - I agree play the best players possible, I'm saying don't give a huge spiel to anyone that will listen that we've gone local, hash tag #yourteam after everything and then continue to play imports week in week out when they've bashed the previous coach for doing it simply because they didn't like him. (He did it better by the way). He played the locals that were up to it i.e Ross Willox. I feel like they signed some of the local lads this season, because thats what the 'fans' wanted. 

Looking at comments on facebook etc the people of HB are content with an under performing team because we've got a couple of "nice guys" at the helm. Won 1 of the last 8 now and lost 4 on the bounce. Why are questions not being asked? Got players coming in from out of town after saying they wouldn't do that, still playing more imports than locals. Is that not what got them in trouble in the past. If you're gonna do it, at least win some football matches. 

5 years ago they were in the Grand Final so not sure what upset you that season. 

Trialist
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about 15 years

If you cant see the clubs engagement with the local community has skyrocketed.  You have your head in the clouds.  I personally didn't mind Anglell as the coach for his first couple of seasons.  He came in under tough circumstances and got resuts on a limited budget.  Whats not to like.  He did overstay his welcome and the community pulled away from the club as a result of that.  Now the community is realigning with the club.  

Trialist
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about 6 years

Honestly mate? Tell me where the community engagement is? 

You're dreaming if you think an active FB page is 'engaging with the community'. The club could be doing so so much more.  

Crowds are as bad as they've ever been. 

Marquee
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over 12 years

Just following the twitter account from Wellington. HB United have been having pre game meet ups/lunches at Blue Water Hotel/Thirsty Whale. Coaches have been out and about in the community. just a few (I doubt you have any full time staff to do more) 

Trialist
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Also local cubs back onboard as opposed to resenting the club.  PLenty happining,  you just need to want to see it.  

Phoenix Academy
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Genuinely curious as to what people think would bring more fans out to games. We've been in Napier since April, 2015 and I'd say the highest number we've seen at a HBU game was maybe 750 or so fans at one of the games (a televised one) during our first season watching the team (2015/2016 season).

Crowds are definitely louder and more into the games this year than last year though. In terms of numbers, more would definitely be better, but how to get them there??

Marquee
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over 12 years

CanadianFan wrote:

Genuinely curious as to what people think would bring more fans out to games. We've been in Napier since April, 2015 and I'd say the highest number we've seen at a HBU game was maybe 750 or so fans at one of the games (a televised one) during our first season watching the team (2015/2016 season).

Crowds are definitely louder and more into the games this year than last year though. In terms of numbers, more would definitely be better, but how to get them there??

Free gate will not.  Fun, emtertainment and enjoyment will. Sport is a tough gig.
Marquee
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almost 17 years

Realistically though, what can a Handy team afford in terms of entertainment that will bring a crowd into the stadium and hand out $10 for the entry fee?

Marquee
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about 17 years

Realistically though, what can a Handy team afford in terms of entertainment that will bring a crowd into the stadium and hand out $10 for the entry fee?

For me, sports clubs need to move on from the model of sausage sizzle/hot chips/DB draught/instant coffee like clubs have for the last 30 years. The world has moved on but club football really hasn't.  I know not everyone who goes to football is a craft beer drinker, but you need to offer much better options for those that are into that. Blue water is a great place to watch and the weather is great, but you can't buy a beer and watch the game 

Trialist
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CanadianFan wrote:

Genuinely curious as to what people think would bring more fans out to games. We've been in Napier since April, 2015 and I'd say the highest number we've seen at a HBU game was maybe 750 or so fans at one of the games (a televised one) during our first season watching the team (2015/2016 season).

Crowds are definitely louder and more into the games this year than last year though. In terms of numbers, more would definitely be better, but how to get them there??

Its definitely a relevant question that no one has been able to answer,  If I recall Tasman got a few 1500's in year one?  I may be wrong.

There needs to be a core supporters group that people gravitate to,  again no one has that.  

Trialist
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Trialist
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about 8 years

Bring back Brett

Trialist
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about 6 years

I know this is tongue and cheek, but one wonders what Brett could have done with this group. 

WeeNix
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But we are having pre game lunch at the blue water and Chris and Bill are good guys who have given our local youth the chance to flourish... is it 1 win in last 8 or 9 now?

Trialist
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about 15 years

Foot20Ball wrote:

I know this is tongue and cheek, but one wonders what Brett could have done with this group. 

Well, I'd guess the first thing he would do is half crowds then alienate the community clubs.  Probally bring in some Wellington baised at the expense of the locals then refuse to telly anyone why. 

Starting XI
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almost 9 years

tonycottee wrote:

Foot20Ball wrote:

I know this is tongue and cheek, but one wonders what Brett could have done with this group. 

Well, I'd guess the first thing he would do is half crowds then alienate the community clubs.  Probally bring in some Wellington baised at the expense of the locals then refuse to telly anyone why. 

and finish in the top 4!

Trialist
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about 6 years

You're embarrassing man. Look at the amount of 'locals' and I mean true locals getting actual game time. 

You've got a co-coach that honestly, needs to know when enough is enough and bench himself. If you think the crowds are that much bigger and the community that engaged you need your head checked because its not. You could have Jurgen Klopp in charge and people would still stay away. 

Brett was always pretty transparent - the locals who are good enough will be involved, those who aren't won't. Simple. 

That's not Bretts job anyway, thats the GM and the Event and Marketing Managers they've had - it was about results and I feel he'd get more out of some of these lads. Closer to the bottom than the top 4 now.

Starting XI
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Foot20Ball wrote:

You're embarrassing man. Look at the amount of 'locals' and I mean true locals getting actual game time. 

You've got a co-coach that honestly, needs to know when enough is enough and bench himself. If you think the crowds are that much bigger and the community that engaged you need your head checked because its not. You could have Jurgen Klopp in charge and people would still stay away. 

Brett was always pretty transparent - the locals who are good enough will be involved, those who aren't won't. Simple. 

That's not Bretts job anyway, thats the GM and the Event and Marketing Managers they've had - it was about results and I feel he'd get more out of some of these lads. Closer to the bottom than the top 4 now.

some points taken but...this club has never had $$$ for events and/or marketing managers. These jobs are done by volunteers- for better or for worse- that's the reality. Which ISPS clubs have $$$ for marketing and events people?

Trialist
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about 6 years

Not true, they literally had a role entitled Marketing and Events Manager that was a full time role and then the General Managers role which included a marketing element. You can say not enough time etc for someone in that role, but you know what you're getting yourself in to when you apply for it.

Starting XI
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Foot20Ball wrote:

Not true, they literally had a role entitled Marketing and Events Manager that was a full time role and then the General Managers role which included a marketing element. You can say not enough time etc for someone in that role, but you know what you're getting yourself in to when you apply for it.

Happy to be corrected if wrong, but i can't recall that-was that recent? My recollection is that the only paid role (non-coaching staff) was the GM. The GM had responsibilities for game day events, but marketing was handled by volunteers.

Again, could be wrong but more recently i thought that was the case

Trialist
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The way I see it is Chris and Bill took over a team that was on its knees.  Players were not committing to the region,  crowds weren't interested, and the community clubs resented the franchise.  They are working with a positive new board to rectify a number (and more )of these issues.  

I shouldn't point the finger at Brett,  that's unfair,  but you also have to concede it's not just up the GM and Event Manager to get people through the gate,  everyone has to be on board.  

Results have been poor of late.   No way around that.  I do get the feeling that there is more a long term vision in play here though.  @foot20Ball I feel as though you are almost happy when the result goes against the Bay?? Tell us why?  

Anyway if you want to tear the team down go for it.  It would have been nice to hear from you when things were going well.  

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