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martinb wrote:

Haaland's form shows what I know about football. Woulda been worth it for half that out put.

He's rubbish, he couldn't even score against New Zealand at the U20's :)

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martinb wrote:

Haaland's form shows what I know about football. Woulda been worth it for half that out put.

He's rubbish, he couldn't even score against New Zealand at the U20's :)

Ha nice.

On the club- I didn't care about them under Van Gaal or Mourinho all that much. With Ole, Maguire, Wan Bissaka, McTominay, Rashford, Martial (maybe James! He's faded a bit) and the ethos I care again. Whether that's superficial or not I feel connected to the club much more as it is. Can't wait to see Rashford and Fernandes on the park together. How awesome was Wan Bissaka's cross?

The Pogbas, Ronaldos and Neymars don't do much for me, if they can't buy in to a greater culture.

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Imagine a fit McTominay, replacing Pogba with someone who gives a shark, and then a big RW signing. This team becomes a totally different beast.

Good for Haaland that he is playing well but as others have said, if he is the price of not dealing with Raiola again then so be it. At this point it's not even Raiola who is the problem, it's that any players who sign with him have a gross misalignment of priorities that let him do what he wants. He's a red flag for journeyman players.

Surely Real or Barca will chime up over summer as just take Haaland for his 50m.

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Think we have 7 games in 21 days coming up. So no surprises with the team sheet. Plenty of annoying fans think we can just stroll up to clubs like Brugge with Lingard and Pereira and stroll pass them. Those days are over, and quite frankly we haven’t done anything to earn that.

But given the lineup, I’m OK with the 1-1.

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20 Legend wrote:

Think we have 7 games in 21 days coming up. So no surprises with the team sheet. Plenty of annoying fans think we can just stroll up to clubs like Brugge with Lingard and Pereira and stroll pass them. Those days are over, and quite frankly we haven’t done anything to earn that.

But given the lineup, I’m OK with the 1-1.

Awful weather conditions as well. 1-1 a good result, footy wasnt great but understandable given the current situation and context.

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AlfStamp wrote:
20 Legend wrote:

Think we have 7 games in 21 days coming up. So no surprises with the team sheet. Plenty of annoying fans think we can just stroll up to clubs like Brugge with Lingard and Pereira and stroll pass them. Those days are over, and quite frankly we haven’t done anything to earn that.

But given the lineup, I’m OK with the 1-1.

Awful weather conditions as well. 1-1 a good result, footy wasnt great but understandable given the current situation and context.

Our esteemed manager blames the ball. :)

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Well Brugge made that easy for us. Nice to se Fred put a couple away and McTominay back. Hopefully Lingard gets some confidence from that assist if he's still gonna get minutes.

Really, really glad we picked up Ighalo based on that as well. Bruno is a fudgein magician.

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Tough 3 weeks ahead of us. Brugge game was a nice window to whats possible in terms of playing intent and style.  If we have a successful next three games I might start to be convinced that Ole is making the changes needed for a better long term future. Fingers crossed.

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Potentially the stupidest red card I've seen ever. 27th minute. Brugge needed to score anyway. Crazy decision from the player.

Also crazy: VAR asking for the ref to check. DOGSO is DOGSO whether the keeper could save it or not (if you're taken out by a defender and you're going to be 1v1 with the goal keeper, it's still DOGSO). Whether Mignolet might have saved it or not is irrelevant.

Rules are very clear that if you're not making a genuine attempt to play the ball then DOGSO = red card.

So what the hell could VAR possibly be looking for?

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Legendary United goalie Harry Gregg's recent passing reminded me of United's tour of NZ in 1967.

Harry Gregg, by then in his mid-thirties, had been sold to Stoke City months before and then retired.

So Alex Stepney was in goal when United thrashed an Auckland XI 8-0 and the All Whites 11-0.

A great team, probably United's best-ever, most of next year's European Cup winning side toured NZ

Brilliant major feature on United's tour of NZ in 1967 on the official Man United website last year:

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/the-ultimate-away-day-in-manchester-united-history

Leggy, didn't you play in both those games vs.Man United and again in 1975?

Different times with NZ Olympian Peter Snell dishing out free cigarettes to players as an ambassador for Rothmans...

Line-ups and stats for United's NZ tour games in 1967:

https://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/manutd-nz67.html

Three past or future NZ cricket internationals in the Auckland side.

A Scotland FA XI toured NZ weeks later in 1967 with one Alex Ferguson scoring a hat-trick in a 4-0 win vs. Auckland.

United played in NZ again in the 1975 off-season.

Beat an Auckland XI only 2-0 this time.

We'd had  a national league for five years by then, so no doubt standards had improved.

Full program for Auckland vs.Manchester United 1975 online here:

https://issuu.com/friendsoffootballnz/docs/auckland_v_manchester_utd_24_june_1975

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Big Pete 65 wrote:

Legendary United goalie Harry Gregg's recent passing reminded me of United's tour of NZ in 1967.

Harry Gregg, by then in his mid-thirties, had been sold to Stoke City months before and then retired.

So Alex Stepney was in goal when United thrashed an Auckland XI 8-0 and the All Whites 11-0.

A great team, probably United's best-ever, most of next year's European Cup winning side toured NZ

Brilliant major feature on United's tour of NZ in 1967 on the official Man United website last year:

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/the-ultimate-away-day-in-manchester-united-history

Leggy, didn't you play in both those games vs.Man United and again in 1975?

Different times with NZ Olympian Peter Snell dishing out free cigarettes to players as an ambassador for Rothmans...

Line-ups and stats for United's NZ tour games in 1967:

https://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/manutd-nz67.html

Three past or future NZ cricket internationals in the Auckland side.

A Scotland FA XI toured NZ weeks later in 1967 with one Alex Ferguson scoring a hat-trick in a 4-0 win vs. Auckland.

United played in NZ again in the 1975 off-season.

Beat an Auckland XI only 2-0 this time.

We'd had  a national league for five years by then, so no doubt standards had improved.

Full program for Auckland vs.Manchester United 1975 online here:

https://issuu.com/friendsoffootballnz/docs/auckland_v_manchester_utd_24_june_1975

I did play in both the 67 games and the 75 one.

The way the NZ side was selected in the 60's was ridiculous The 3 selectors from Auckland,Wellington and Christchurch would get together and pick a team they thought was'fair'but representative. There were some players that I had never met until the day before the game. No practise nothing. By 75 things had changed a lot and the results proved it.

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Were you a ManU fan before that Leggy, or did that experience make you a fan?

Bloody interesting. Would love to hear more about this! I think I asked a couple of years ago and you gave some info, but it's very intriguing.

What position were you? Who were you marking a lot of the time? What was it like in the games against those guys? Did you spend any time yarning with any of them etc?

I saw your name in the lineup there so googled, and I see you have a wikipedia page. Who did you get your 2 NZ goals against? What was that like?

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Good to see MU fans happy to show their love for Rooney this morning. He had a good game.

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paulm wrote:

Were you a ManU fan before that Leggy, or did that experience make you a fan?

Bloody interesting. Would love to hear more about this! I think I asked a couple of years ago and you gave some info, but it's very intriguing.

What position were you? Who were you marking a lot of the time? What was it like in the games against those guys? Did you spend any time yarning with any of them etc?

I saw your name in the lineup there so googled, and I see you have a wikipedia page. Who did you get your 2 NZ goals against? What was that like?

I was a fan 12 years before I played against Utd.

On those two occasions I played wide on the left(left wing) and unfortunately ended up playing against George Best for most of the time.The main thing I noticed was how sharp they were off the mark.I can't remember the name of the hotel in Christchurch but both teams ended up there until the early hours of the morning. 

Spent most of the time  talking to Best and Crerand. Both were getting stuck into the grog but I hardly drank in those days. I've made up for it since.

If I remember, the 2 goals were against Malaysia and Fiji. I did get more than those but they were not full A internationals.

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I found out that Leggy is another form for the word Legend and after reading your last couple of posts, I concur. What a fantastic life you have had.

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so swap out James for a fit Rashford and are we seeing a best XI here? Matic seems to be stepping up a bit. Guna be a big 20 minutes here 

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Thatd make Manchester red this season wouldn't it?

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Good win. Another tail of "possession doesn't win football games". Everyone played very well.

People might talk about the free kick we scored from not being a foul, but 10 minutes later Martial and James go 2 on 1 and Fernandinho falls over and the ref gives it... so swings and roundabouts.

Really City lost today because United defended superbly. There was a great moment in the game where AWB tackled Sterling. Both players then went to recover the ball before AWB, realising Sterling was only going to try and beat him again, decided not to bother.

Let's not hold our breath for the media to criticise a really poor team selection by Pep Guardiola.

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20 Legend wrote:

Good win. Another tail of "possession doesn't win football games". Everyone played very well.

People might talk about the free kick we scored from not being a foul, but 10 minutes later Martial and James go 2 on 1 and Fernandinho falls over and the ref gives it... so swings and roundabouts.

Really City lost today because United defended superbly. There was a great moment in the game where AWB tackled Sterling. Both players then went to recover the ball before AWB, realising Sterling was only going to try and beat him again, decided not to bother.

Let's not hold our breath for the media to criticise a really poor team selection by Pep Guardiola.

AWB is a brick wall. Fantastic option to have, completely locks down a side of the pitch almost by himself.

Big thank you to Ederson for the 2 goals, but we really should've had a pen in the first half as well - instead Fred got a yellow! Mike Dean man.

Love watching United when we play like that - unbeaten in 10 with 8 of those being clean sheets. Hopefully the corner is turned - but I'm betting we'll torch Spurs this weekend, waltz past LASK twice and then Norwich will probably take points off us, seems to be the way at the moment.

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20 Legend wrote:

Good win. Another tail of "possession doesn't win football games". Everyone played very well.

People might talk about the free kick we scored from not being a foul, but 10 minutes later Martial and James go 2 on 1 and Fernandinho falls over and the ref gives it... so swings and roundabouts.

Really City lost today because United defended superbly. There was a great moment in the game where AWB tackled Sterling. Both players then went to recover the ball before AWB, realising Sterling was only going to try and beat him again, decided not to bother.

Let's not hold our breath for the media to criticise a really poor team selection by Pep Guardiola.

Feel a switch has been flicked in the united camp since we were punched up by Burnley at home in January. Those were becoming desperate times. Six weeks later and what a difference - Played 10, Won 7, Drawn 3 and Lost 0. Some will say 'oh well you beat Tranmere and Derby and Watford' - well it's important to note we've beat City x 2, Chelsea, and Watford Twitted Liverpool just a week after we beat them at home... 

Whats been most impressive for me though, is we've conceded twice, just twice in this stretch. A far cry from early in the season when we were giving up loose/soft goals from poor play, hardly what you want to see when over £100m has been invested in defence in the off season. It just feels like it's coming together nicely. Obviously not where we want to be just yet, but am feeling more and more confident by the week. 

Fernandes has been a revelation too, I actually don't see how Pogba forces his way back into this lineup at present, although Euro's are around the corner so presumably he might want some match fitness before the end of the season? Maybe seeing Fernandes controlling midfield play might actually motivate him to stay, play and drive us forward too...

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Pogba situation is very interesting. If Pogba's goal is to become the best player on earth, then Manchester United is almost setup for him to do it. Just need to sort the attitude (which means stop playing games through his agent!)

Full credit to Fred. I wrote him off but he has started adding some forward output into his play and he's becoming a very good player. What's really interesting is that for the first time in a LONG time you can argue than Bruno and Fred would have started in City's midfield. I think that's a really interesting shift in mood for United.

Echoing what you're saying about the defence YoungHeart, under the pump at the end of the game and it didn't feel like we were going to concede.

Lots to do but the building blocks are there. There's probably another rough patch around the corner, but Ole's direction is paying off. If we can reenforce with another couple of "Ole" players in the summer we're in a fantastic place.

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I am really glad that most of the Ole out crew are getting drowned out now and are having to change their tune. Even heard one say that he didn't know anyone who was Ole in from the beginning. How narrow minded. 

We get past Spurs this coming weekend and of the remaining 8 games, all apart from Leicester (away, last game) and Sheffield United (home, tbd) are in the top half. Given our struggles against the weaker teams, results during those games will really show if United have turned a corner or not. Bruno and maybe a fit Pogba will help our cause. 

I am intrigued as to if Pogba will be convinced to stay on at United if we were to keep a good run of form through to the end of the season and plays well with Bruno. Real Madrid will come strong in the summer given that Kroos and Modric are past their best and Zidane will have him as the number one target. 

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Important game tomorrow morning against another team in the running for those 3rd-7th positions. Hopefully a Pogba - Bruno partnership from the start will put enough pressure on the Sheffield team to open some cracks in their impressive structure. 

A win will heap pressure on Chelsea who play City on Friday morning, so we need the 3 points tomorrow. 

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Bit defensively all over the show this morning against Bournemouth, especially at the start of this 2nd half but jesus christ she's been a barn-burner, what a shame the ground isn't full because the attacking play has been cracking!

Mason Greenwood - my word, 18 years old, what a special player this kid is going to be. Left foot/Right foot, trickery, speed and an eye for goal, tantalising prospect to watch over the next couple of years in this setup. OGS clearly has given the kid a lot of guidance and now with the quality and confidence around him he's just flourishing.

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Bournemouth showed the other way to try to go up against this United team at the moment is to play with 2 up top and isolate the CBs. It was actually a pleasant difference as recent opponents have simply tried the low block. 

The difference now is that we have an attack that is in such good form that they know they can outscore the opponent. 

Martial and Rashford look so comfortable switching between LW and CF, probably because Greenwood is doing such a good job on the other side. And the midfield looks solid. 

More praise for Ole, as he has managed Greenwood's introduction so well.

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The main issue at the start of Ole's tenure (and an issue that LvG and Mourinho never solved) was how to consistently beat the bottom teams - we've consistently outperformed the Top 4 when we've played them, but dropped sharkty points to sharkty teams. Given we dropped points already to Bournemouth, a dominant showing was much needed and I think indicates that our starting XI, at least, is now able to consistently break down small teams parking the bus. The movement of the front 3 is fantastic, as are the constant runs in between CBs and fullbacks when we're in a "half-field" attack to create space at the edge of the box for midfielders.

Our run in is Villa, Southampton, Palace, West Ham and Leicester. We dropped points to all of those in the first half, except the Top 4 side. Those next 4 games are gonna tell us a lot about how we perform against teams who line up defensively when we have our best XI available.

I don't think we'll see too many teams try to replicate the way Bournemouth defended and I don't think it would be smart of they did. They got 2 jammy goals (pen shouldn't have been given imo, for me that hits his shoulder and that nutmeg comes off 10% of the time) and looked very vulnerable every time we went forward. If teams continue to adopt that approach, I think we'll find it easier than teams who play defensively.

Can't wait to see what Greenwood becomes, teams are going to have to commit more than 1 defender whenever he gets to the edge of the area and that creates a lot of space for other dangerous players.

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Things are looking up eh. That Fernandes looks a hell of a player, and Greenwood has been good to watch. 

Hell even Pogba back in the team and not creating any stirs. 

Ole deserves major credit.

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In the past, teams have been able to do "low-block" because our midfield never offered any danger from outside the box. Chuck in Bruno and Pogba who, if you don't pressure them, are going to either make something or score. This opens up space for everyone else and boom, suddenly we're winning games.

Ole deserves massive credit. His signings have all been perfect, not only their football capabilities but their attitude as well. I love it.

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20 Legend wrote:

In the past, teams have been able to do "low-block" because our midfield never offered any danger from outside the box. Chuck in Bruno and Pogba who, if you don't pressure them, are going to either make something or score. This opens up space for everyone else and boom, suddenly we're winning games.

Ole deserves massive credit. His signings have all been perfect, not only their football capabilities but their attitude as well. I love it.

Still too soon to know if Ole is actually good enough. He does have players that are good enough for the starting X1 but he obviously could not see that against Norwich as the starting team he picked was crap. Time will tell, but he will need 2/3 quality players to even get close next season. The teams we have beaten  lately are going to get relegated

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Leggy wrote:
20 Legend wrote:

In the past, teams have been able to do "low-block" because our midfield never offered any danger from outside the box. Chuck in Bruno and Pogba who, if you don't pressure them, are going to either make something or score. This opens up space for everyone else and boom, suddenly we're winning games.

Ole deserves massive credit. His signings have all been perfect, not only their football capabilities but their attitude as well. I love it.

Still too soon to know if Ole is actually good enough. He does have players that are good enough for the starting X1 but he obviously could not see that against Norwich as the starting team he picked was crap. Time will tell, but he will need 2/3 quality players to even get close next season. The teams we have beaten  lately are going to get relegated

As Nelfoos has said, our problem this season has been losing to those bottom of the table teams. Weneed extra investment or else Liverpool to fall a long way to challenge for the league but we are looking in a very good position. One player (Bruno) has made such a huge difference. One more player (Sancho) could make a big difference too. Having said that, I would really like a starting defender to replace Lindelof.

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Some good work going on behind the scenes

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There was video after the Bournemouth game of Ole saying "Keep going, we need a left footed CB" to Nathan Ake.

Think its probably more just banter between them than anything else but does show he's aware we need to upgrade there.

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Leggy wrote:
20 Legend wrote:

In the past, teams have been able to do "low-block" because our midfield never offered any danger from outside the box. Chuck in Bruno and Pogba who, if you don't pressure them, are going to either make something or score. This opens up space for everyone else and boom, suddenly we're winning games.

Ole deserves massive credit. His signings have all been perfect, not only their football capabilities but their attitude as well. I love it.

Still too soon to know if Ole is actually good enough. He does have players that are good enough for the starting X1 but he obviously could not see that against Norwich as the starting team he picked was crap. Time will tell, but he will need 2/3 quality players to even get close next season. The teams we have beaten  lately are going to get relegated

When will it have been long enough to know if Ole is good enough?

And I feel like the arguement 6 months ago was that he is able to set the team up well to get more positive results than not against better teams, and struggles against those smaller teams. But now you say that even though we have convincingly beaten lower ranked teams, its not a fair reflection on his ability? 

As good as Bruno is, I think that Ole is doing the same thing now, as he was doing before we had Bruno, except there were periods of injuries to Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Matic and even McTominay and he has had more time to get more buy in from the players about what he is trying to do. 

He certainly got the defense sorted and now the attack is coming together too. The run of form will end at some point but the direction Ole has got everyone going in is more positive than it has been since SAF left. 

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Tekkers wrote:
Leggy wrote:
20 Legend wrote:

In the past, teams have been able to do "low-block" because our midfield never offered any danger from outside the box. Chuck in Bruno and Pogba who, if you don't pressure them, are going to either make something or score. This opens up space for everyone else and boom, suddenly we're winning games.

Ole deserves massive credit. His signings have all been perfect, not only their football capabilities but their attitude as well. I love it.

Still too soon to know if Ole is actually good enough. He does have players that are good enough for the starting X1 but he obviously could not see that against Norwich as the starting team he picked was crap. Time will tell, but he will need 2/3 quality players to even get close next season. The teams we have beaten  lately are going to get relegated

When will it have been long enough to know if Ole is good enough?

And I feel like the arguement 6 months ago was that he is able to set the team up well to get more positive results than not against better teams, and struggles against those smaller teams. But now you say that even though we have convincingly beaten lower ranked teams, its not a fair reflection on his ability? 

As good as Bruno is, I think that Ole is doing the same thing now, as he was doing before we had Bruno, except there were periods of injuries to Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Matic and even McTominay and he has had more time to get more buy in from the players about what he is trying to do. 

He certainly got the defense sorted and now the attack is coming together too. The run of form will end at some point but the direction Ole has got everyone going in is more positive than it has been since SAF left. 

We will know when he is good enough when he wins more than he loses. He has only been there a short while and quite frankly has not proved to me that he is a quality manager for Utd. We are playing well and I hope he succeeds as it would be horrendous to have to appoint another manager so soon.There is no room for sentiment in the next few months so I await with bated breath to see which players he is going to get rid of. Mata, Lingard, Pereira, Bailly, Fred would be a good start, and remember we still have Smalling and Sanchez.

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Leggy wrote:
Tekkers wrote:
Leggy wrote:
20 Legend wrote:

In the past, teams have been able to do "low-block" because our midfield never offered any danger from outside the box. Chuck in Bruno and Pogba who, if you don't pressure them, are going to either make something or score. This opens up space for everyone else and boom, suddenly we're winning games.

Ole deserves massive credit. His signings have all been perfect, not only their football capabilities but their attitude as well. I love it.

Still too soon to know if Ole is actually good enough. He does have players that are good enough for the starting X1 but he obviously could not see that against Norwich as the starting team he picked was crap. Time will tell, but he will need 2/3 quality players to even get close next season. The teams we have beaten  lately are going to get relegated

When will it have been long enough to know if Ole is good enough?

And I feel like the arguement 6 months ago was that he is able to set the team up well to get more positive results than not against better teams, and struggles against those smaller teams. But now you say that even though we have convincingly beaten lower ranked teams, its not a fair reflection on his ability? 

As good as Bruno is, I think that Ole is doing the same thing now, as he was doing before we had Bruno, except there were periods of injuries to Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Matic and even McTominay and he has had more time to get more buy in from the players about what he is trying to do. 

He certainly got the defense sorted and now the attack is coming together too. The run of form will end at some point but the direction Ole has got everyone going in is more positive than it has been since SAF left. 

We will know when he is good enough when he wins more than he loses. He has only been there a short while and quite frankly has not proved to me that he is a quality manager for Utd. We are playing well and I hope he succeeds as it would be horrendous to have to appoint another manager so soon.There is no room for sentiment in the next few months so I await with bated breath to see which players he is going to get rid of. Mata, Lingard, Pereira, Bailly, Fred would be a good start, and remember we still have Smalling and Sanchez.

Fun fact - he is currently winning more than he loses. Past 20 league games, United have the same number of points as City. Past 10, we only have one fewer point than Liverpool. Still in FA cup, still in Europa. 

Getting rid of that many at once is unrealistic and to include Fred in a list to get rid of is ridiculous. Was our best CM through the middle of the season. 

Based on the direction the club has been going, I wouldnt be shocked if only Smalling and Sanchez leave. They dont fit the system or have the right attitude. Jones, Pereira and Lingard will need to show they can be better back ups than they have been recently but they seem to want to be there and work to improve their game. And stay fit. So wont all be replaced at once. 

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Tekkers wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Tekkers wrote:
Leggy wrote:
20 Legend wrote:

In the past, teams have been able to do "low-block" because our midfield never offered any danger from outside the box. Chuck in Bruno and Pogba who, if you don't pressure them, are going to either make something or score. This opens up space for everyone else and boom, suddenly we're winning games.

Ole deserves massive credit. His signings have all been perfect, not only their football capabilities but their attitude as well. I love it.

Still too soon to know if Ole is actually good enough. He does have players that are good enough for the starting X1 but he obviously could not see that against Norwich as the starting team he picked was crap. Time will tell, but he will need 2/3 quality players to even get close next season. The teams we have beaten  lately are going to get relegated

When will it have been long enough to know if Ole is good enough?

And I feel like the arguement 6 months ago was that he is able to set the team up well to get more positive results than not against better teams, and struggles against those smaller teams. But now you say that even though we have convincingly beaten lower ranked teams, its not a fair reflection on his ability? 

As good as Bruno is, I think that Ole is doing the same thing now, as he was doing before we had Bruno, except there were periods of injuries to Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Matic and even McTominay and he has had more time to get more buy in from the players about what he is trying to do. 

He certainly got the defense sorted and now the attack is coming together too. The run of form will end at some point but the direction Ole has got everyone going in is more positive than it has been since SAF left. 

We will know when he is good enough when he wins more than he loses. He has only been there a short while and quite frankly has not proved to me that he is a quality manager for Utd. We are playing well and I hope he succeeds as it would be horrendous to have to appoint another manager so soon.There is no room for sentiment in the next few months so I await with bated breath to see which players he is going to get rid of. Mata, Lingard, Pereira, Bailly, Fred would be a good start, and remember we still have Smalling and Sanchez.

Fun fact - he is currently winning more than he loses. Past 20 league games, United have the same number of points as City. Past 10, we only have one fewer point than Liverpool. Still in FA cup, still in Europa. 

Getting rid of that many at once is unrealistic and to include Fred in a list to get rid of is ridiculous. Was our best CM through the middle of the season. 

Based on the direction the club has been going, I wouldnt be shocked if only Smalling and Sanchez leave. They dont fit the system or have the right attitude. Jones, Pereira and Lingard will need to show they can be better back ups than they have been recently but they seem to want to be there and work to improve their game. And stay fit. So wont all be replaced at once. 

You can't just take the last 20 games. Jones,Lingard and Perrira just are not good enough and if Fred is as good as you make out why has he not been starting?

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Leggy wrote:
Tekkers wrote:
Leggy wrote:
20 Legend wrote:

In the past, teams have been able to do "low-block" because our midfield never offered any danger from outside the box. Chuck in Bruno and Pogba who, if you don't pressure them, are going to either make something or score. This opens up space for everyone else and boom, suddenly we're winning games.

Ole deserves massive credit. His signings have all been perfect, not only their football capabilities but their attitude as well. I love it.

Still too soon to know if Ole is actually good enough. He does have players that are good enough for the starting X1 but he obviously could not see that against Norwich as the starting team he picked was crap. Time will tell, but he will need 2/3 quality players to even get close next season. The teams we have beaten  lately are going to get relegated

When will it have been long enough to know if Ole is good enough?

And I feel like the arguement 6 months ago was that he is able to set the team up well to get more positive results than not against better teams, and struggles against those smaller teams. But now you say that even though we have convincingly beaten lower ranked teams, its not a fair reflection on his ability? 

As good as Bruno is, I think that Ole is doing the same thing now, as he was doing before we had Bruno, except there were periods of injuries to Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Matic and even McTominay and he has had more time to get more buy in from the players about what he is trying to do. 

He certainly got the defense sorted and now the attack is coming together too. The run of form will end at some point but the direction Ole has got everyone going in is more positive than it has been since SAF left. 

We will know when he is good enough when he wins more than he loses. He has only been there a short while and quite frankly has not proved to me that he is a quality manager for Utd. We are playing well and I hope he succeeds as it would be horrendous to have to appoint another manager so soon.There is no room for sentiment in the next few months so I await with bated breath to see which players he is going to get rid of. Mata, Lingard, Pereira, Bailly, Fred would be a good start, and remember we still have Smalling and Sanchez.

Do you think his leadership has been a factor in players signing and an improved squad? Do you think he's improved the strikers and wingers? What is holding you back from a more fulsome endorsement?

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martinb wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Tekkers wrote:
Leggy wrote:
20 Legend wrote:

In the past, teams have been able to do "low-block" because our midfield never offered any danger from outside the box. Chuck in Bruno and Pogba who, if you don't pressure them, are going to either make something or score. This opens up space for everyone else and boom, suddenly we're winning games.

Ole deserves massive credit. His signings have all been perfect, not only their football capabilities but their attitude as well. I love it.

Still too soon to know if Ole is actually good enough. He does have players that are good enough for the starting X1 but he obviously could not see that against Norwich as the starting team he picked was crap. Time will tell, but he will need 2/3 quality players to even get close next season. The teams we have beaten  lately are going to get relegated

When will it have been long enough to know if Ole is good enough?

And I feel like the arguement 6 months ago was that he is able to set the team up well to get more positive results than not against better teams, and struggles against those smaller teams. But now you say that even though we have convincingly beaten lower ranked teams, its not a fair reflection on his ability? 

As good as Bruno is, I think that Ole is doing the same thing now, as he was doing before we had Bruno, except there were periods of injuries to Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Matic and even McTominay and he has had more time to get more buy in from the players about what he is trying to do. 

He certainly got the defense sorted and now the attack is coming together too. The run of form will end at some point but the direction Ole has got everyone going in is more positive than it has been since SAF left. 

We will know when he is good enough when he wins more than he loses. He has only been there a short while and quite frankly has not proved to me that he is a quality manager for Utd. We are playing well and I hope he succeeds as it would be horrendous to have to appoint another manager so soon.There is no room for sentiment in the next few months so I await with bated breath to see which players he is going to get rid of. Mata, Lingard, Pereira, Bailly, Fred would be a good start, and remember we still have Smalling and Sanchez.

Do you think his leadership has been a factor in players signing and an improved squad? Do you think he's improved the strikers and wingers? What is holding you back from a more fulsome endorsement?

He has signed a few good players but I don't know if leadership has been a factor. He has only been manager for about 80 games.

As a former striker he should know all about improving what he has up front. My full endorsement will come if he can challenge for the title. Unless he can get 2/3 quality players this is not going to happen. It will depend on the owners stumping up big money in the next few months in the transfer market. It is any ones guess if they will. 

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Leggy wrote:
martinb wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Tekkers wrote:
Leggy wrote:
20 Legend wrote:

In the past, teams have been able to do "low-block" because our midfield never offered any danger from outside the box. Chuck in Bruno and Pogba who, if you don't pressure them, are going to either make something or score. This opens up space for everyone else and boom, suddenly we're winning games.

Ole deserves massive credit. His signings have all been perfect, not only their football capabilities but their attitude as well. I love it.

Still too soon to know if Ole is actually good enough. He does have players that are good enough for the starting X1 but he obviously could not see that against Norwich as the starting team he picked was crap. Time will tell, but he will need 2/3 quality players to even get close next season. The teams we have beaten  lately are going to get relegated

When will it have been long enough to know if Ole is good enough?

And I feel like the arguement 6 months ago was that he is able to set the team up well to get more positive results than not against better teams, and struggles against those smaller teams. But now you say that even though we have convincingly beaten lower ranked teams, its not a fair reflection on his ability? 

As good as Bruno is, I think that Ole is doing the same thing now, as he was doing before we had Bruno, except there were periods of injuries to Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Matic and even McTominay and he has had more time to get more buy in from the players about what he is trying to do. 

He certainly got the defense sorted and now the attack is coming together too. The run of form will end at some point but the direction Ole has got everyone going in is more positive than it has been since SAF left. 

We will know when he is good enough when he wins more than he loses. He has only been there a short while and quite frankly has not proved to me that he is a quality manager for Utd. We are playing well and I hope he succeeds as it would be horrendous to have to appoint another manager so soon.There is no room for sentiment in the next few months so I await with bated breath to see which players he is going to get rid of. Mata, Lingard, Pereira, Bailly, Fred would be a good start, and remember we still have Smalling and Sanchez.

Do you think his leadership has been a factor in players signing and an improved squad? Do you think he's improved the strikers and wingers? What is holding you back from a more fulsome endorsement?

He has signed a few good players but I don't know if leadership has been a factor. He has only been manager for about 80 games.

As a former striker he should know all about improving what he has up front. My full endorsement will come if he can challenge for the title. Unless he can get 2/3 quality players this is not going to happen. It will depend on the owners stumping up big money in the next few months in the transfer market. It is any ones guess if they will. 

It will be interesting to see how everything holds together when there's some pressure. At the moment they are full of beans. There's certainly more than one in the squad who is a champion player. I like having Ighalo as a squadie too. United at best had four or five forwards- sometimes like Ole they were on the bench or played right mid. You need some complementary characters thrown in there and it feels like the balance is improving.

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