Trialist
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Why not put some winter premier league games on ?

With maybe 2 exceptions the quality of football is as good if not better than the national league ! And the games would involve actual football clubs with some history and supporters.

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Blew.2 wrote:

In light of the Government's level 2 announcement (resumption of professional sports) - I can't help but think that the global shortage of sports would have been a perfect opportunity to revamp the ISPS Handa Premiership and put it all on Sky Sport, for NZ and the World to enjoy!

My reasoning is based on global sports watching movements - once Europe was effectively closed down, people turned to all sorts of weird and wonderful leagues to get their sport fix. Why can't the ISPS Handa Prem get a slice of that viewing pie? People need sport to watch, NZ is in a position to resume (hopefully very soon). Do we just want rugby and netball or should we think big picture - if there are enough viewing numbers it will pay for itself.

I don't think the 'lack of quality' argument is the best one just in advance - I mean people are literally tuning into Kazhakstan, Nicaragua and Belarus...

Interested to hear other people's thoughts! 

NZF can't afford professional football!

No that's not true (whether it's sustainable or not is a different argument) 

If NZ gets a professional football that means the Phoenix can't play in Australia

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Wonder how many franchises can get to the starting line for the start of next season?

Now would be the time for NZF to change the makeup of the leagues and go back to a club based comp starting Feb?

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one_eyed_nik wrote:

Wonder how many franchises can get to the starting line for the start of next season?

Now would be the time for NZF to change the makeup of the leagues and go back to a club based comp starting Feb?

So clubs can finance a national league 
Marquee
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Just saw on LinkedIn that Aaron Clapham has announced his retirement from the game

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Unbelievable career Aaron Clapham! ??
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‪Pleasure to have you part of our football family and in a moment we'll never forget. ‬
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‪Thank you for all that you bought to the club, the staff, the players and the fans. 

Congratulations on your retirement and all the very best for the next chapter ?‬

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Any word on if the Handa league is going ahead for the 2020/2021 season. Have heard rumours it may not be?

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Fulltime wrote:

Any word on if the Handa league is going ahead for the 2020/2021 season. Have heard rumours it may not be?

Plenty of rumours but understand a definitive answer likely to be made around mid next week 

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Any word on if the Handa league is going ahead for the 2020/2021 season. Have heard rumours it may not be?

Plenty of rumours but understand a definitive answer likely to be made around mid next week 

Must have missed this but why is this possibly being canned, is it COVID related?

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Enough said wrote:

Any word on if the Handa league is going ahead for the 2020/2021 season. Have heard rumours it may not be?

Plenty of rumours but understand a definitive answer likely to be made around mid next week 

Must have missed this but why is this possibly being canned, is it COVID related?

Nothing surprises me anymore with NZ football!. They will probably use Covid as an excuse if they don't go ahead with it!!

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I would make an assumption $$$$ Issues.

Teams and Feds would be struggling for money with Gaming trust funding drying up, sponsorship drying up and no CWC money coming through.

Bloody sad really but I know the Feds will be really struggling so I can only imagine the Teams/Clubs involved would be as well

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Mossimo wrote:

Enough said wrote:

Any word on if the Handa league is going ahead for the 2020/2021 season. Have heard rumours it may not be?

Plenty of rumours but understand a definitive answer likely to be made around mid next week 

Must have missed this but why is this possibly being canned, is it COVID related?

Nothing surprises me anymore with NZ football!. They will probably use Covid as an excuse if they don't go ahead with it!!

The financial sustainability/viability of the national men's league was in the toilet long before anyone had ever heard of Covid-19.

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Since 1970 it's always been a case of we can't afford to have it and we can't afford not to have it. The latter usually wins out 

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chubbs wrote:

Since 1970 it's always been a case of we can't afford to have it and we can't afford not to have it. The latter usually wins out 

That winning streak might finally be at an end. 

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Maybe a chance to align it with winter or the A-league while funding is scarce, hopefully they keep the NWL going with maybe an extra team. We have 3 years to prepare our females as best we can at we might aswell go all in on that. 

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Sancho wrote:

Maybe a chance to align it with winter or the A-league while funding is scarce, hopefully they keep the NWL going with maybe an extra team. We have 3 years to prepare our females as best we can at we might aswell go all in on that. 

NWL will not prepare our players for a World Cup. Need to have a Phoenix Team in the W League and or the bulk of the likely squad playing off shore.

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AllWhites82 wrote:

Sancho wrote:

Maybe a chance to align it with winter or the A-league while funding is scarce, hopefully they keep the NWL going with maybe an extra team. We have 3 years to prepare our females as best we can at we might aswell go all in on that. 

NWL will not prepare our players for a World Cup. Need to have a Phoenix Team in the W League and or the bulk of the likely squad playing off shore.

We needed that to happen last year and that boat is still sailing away. The next best is a better NWL season and more players exposed to higher levels of competition whether that local or abroad

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what is the entry cost for the Nationsl league compared to that of central league etc?

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what is the entry cost for the Nationsl league compared to that of central league etc?

massively different - Central League is $3500, National League is closer to $100k (this is used for travel and TV as well as admin)

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what is the entry cost for the Nationsl league compared to that of central league etc?

massively different - Central League is $3500, National League is closer to $100k (this is used for travel and TV as well as admin)

National league entry fee was $30,000 per team in 2019-20.

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what is the entry cost for the Nationsl league compared to that of central league etc?

massively different - Central League is $3500, National League is closer to $100k (this is used for travel and TV as well as admin)

National league entry fee was $30,000 per team in 2019-20.

Hopefully NZ Football have been talking to the government like all the other sports codes and get a piece of tonight's announcement of more money for national and ground roots sports!!

Marquee
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So Premiership (and NWL) have been saved after NZ football got $900k that is to put towards them  

https://twitter.com/andrewvoerman/status/1280697723251908610

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Matt W-S wrote:

So Premiership (and NWL) have been saved after NZ football got $900k that is to put towards them  

https://twitter.com/andrewvoerman/status/1280697723251908610

Will get the breakdown of what money is for what – but I saw somewhere yesterday it was a max of $300k per league, so one would presume $300k to NML, and $200k to the other three.

Still a fair bit of water to go under the bridge re: what the NML and NWL will look like – this season and in the future.

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Matt W-S wrote:

So Premiership (and NWL) have been saved after NZ football got $900k that is to put towards them  

https://twitter.com/andrewvoerman/status/1280697723251908610

speculation aside, was it in real danger of ceasing?

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Feverish wrote:

Matt W-S wrote:

So Premiership (and NWL) have been saved after NZ football got $900k that is to put towards them  

https://twitter.com/andrewvoerman/status/1280697723251908610

speculation aside, was it in real danger of ceasing?

Well it sounded like it was going to be tested in how much NZF would do to save it as teams were already making noise they weren't going to have the money to pay to enter. 

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New Zealand’s national men’s and women’s football leagues will be held this year, but it remains to be seen who will be involved and what form they will take. 


The governing body said on Wednesday it had received $900,000 from Sport NZ to support those competitions and its national futsal leagues, but offered few details except to say the timing of them would be confirmed later this month.


Exactly which teams will take part is still to be determined, with entry fees and formats in the process of being finalised. The support from Sport NZ should help ease some financial burdens, but many of the clubs, franchises, and regional federations that comprise the two leagues were already struggling before the pandemic hit.

From me, here.

WeeNix
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I find it crazy that they have no clarity about what the league is going to look like. From year to year it just seems so uncertain what is going to happen.

Why don't they put it back to a club based competition run in the winter. Initially as the current regional leagues Northern, Central, Mainland and Southern. From there take the 2 top teams in each league into a "national league" the play 1 full round of games. Top team in each region has 4 home games and 3 away. Then you would have a National club competition, pathway for all clubs promotion and religion within regions.

The $20000 entry fee for this coming season would be half as the "national" part of the competition is only 7 games (maybe a final as well). split the the 100,000 entry fee across 40? teams that play in the top regional league. Thats $2,500 per club plus the $3,500 they pay for regional competition entry fee = $6,000 total per club to enter what is effectively the national league. 

   

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I find it crazy that they have no clarity about what the league is going to look like. From year to year it just seems so uncertain what is going to happen.

Why don't they put it back to a club based competition run in the winter. Initially as the current regional leagues Northern, Central, Mainland and Southern. From there take the 2 top teams in each league into a "national league" the play 1 full round of games. Top team in each region has 4 home games and 3 away. Then you would have a National club competition, pathway for all clubs promotion and religion within regions.

The $20000 entry fee for this coming season would be half as the "national" part of the competition is only 7 games (maybe a final as well). split the the 100,000 entry fee across 40? teams that play in the top regional league. Thats $2,500 per club plus the $3,500 they pay for regional competition entry fee = $6,000 total per club to enter what is effectively the national league. 

   

Ideas along the lines of the bold part seem to be gaining more and more traction in the football community. But they had no choice but to stick with the status quo this year. Only alternative would have just been to can it, which would have been silly with Sport NZ funding on offer. 

The key variables seem to be A, what the entry fee is, if there is one at all; B, the number of teams that will therefore enter; C, whether there will be finals. Not like it's a complete unknown. Some number of teams playing home and away between November and March.

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I find it crazy that they have no clarity about what the league is going to look like. From year to year it just seems so uncertain what is going to happen.

Why don't they put it back to a club based competition run in the winter. Initially as the current regional leagues Northern, Central, Mainland and Southern. From there take the 2 top teams in each league into a "national league" the play 1 full round of games. Top team in each region has 4 home games and 3 away. Then you would have a National club competition, pathway for all clubs promotion and religion within regions.

The $20000 entry fee for this coming season would be half as the "national" part of the competition is only 7 games (maybe a final as well). split the the 100,000 entry fee across 40? teams that play in the top regional league. Thats $2,500 per club plus the $3,500 they pay for regional competition entry fee = $6,000 total per club to enter what is effectively the national league. 

   

why would 90% of the clubs with no interest in the NL want to fork out 2.5k (on top of an already hefty figure)?

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I don't know how many of you people were around the scene in the mid 1990's era of the "superclub" which was a regional based competition going to a national round later.

it was dire :

1.. Standards slumped greatly - 12/14 elite teams became 30 elite teams.Now it would be 10 going into 30 (nine really i guess - not sure where the Phoenix fits in) .

2. player payments ballooned as 30 clubs tried to make the national round increasing competition for players.

3. the plate competition for the sides that didn't make the national round was an absolute farce.

Ask anyone who was round in those days - don't think you'll get many positive views.

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chubbs wrote:

I don't know how many of you people were around the scene in the mid 1990's era of the "superclub" which was a regional based competition going to a national round later.

it was dire :

1.. Standards slumped greatly - 12/14 elite teams became 30 elite teams.Now it would be 10 going into 30 (nine really i guess - not sure where the Phoenix fits in) .

2. player payments ballooned as 30 clubs tried to make the national round increasing competition for players.

3. the plate competition for the sides that didn't make the national round was an absolute farce.

Ask anyone who was round in those days - don't think you'll get many positive views.

I enjoyed playing in it - but you are prob right. Not sure it would fit with the current scene due to similar reasons. At least it would have kiwis playing in the top tier :)

Starting XI
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Why would your average punter go and watch and cheer on a rival club in a national league? I wouldn't, and I've been told I am bigger than average by my doctor.

Opinion Privileges revoked
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Why don't they put it back to a club based competition run in the winter. Initially as the current regional leagues Northern, Central, Mainland and Southern. From there take the 2 top teams in each league into a "national league" the play 1 full round of games. Top team in each region has 4 home games and 3 away. Then you would have a National club competition, pathway for all clubs promotion and religion within regions.

Ideas along the lines of the bold part seem to be gaining more and more traction in the football community.

Jesus wept. Obviously this section of the "football community" haven't read B. Holloway's The National League Debates.

The current NZFC format has worked for 15 years with a few tweaks, after the previous 15 years when they tried a dozen different formats and all of them failed for varying reasons. Why mess with success because of a temporary funding hiccup, especially when a plan for development/expansion was already in place.

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Doloras wrote:

Why don't they put it back to a club based competition run in the winter. Initially as the current regional leagues Northern, Central, Mainland and Southern. From there take the 2 top teams in each league into a "national league" the play 1 full round of games. Top team in each region has 4 home games and 3 away. Then you would have a National club competition, pathway for all clubs promotion and religion within regions.

Ideas along the lines of the bold part seem to be gaining more and more traction in the football community.

Jesus wept. Obviously this section of the "football community" haven't read B. Holloway's The National League Debates.

The current NZFC format has worked for 15 years with a few tweaks, after the previous 15 years when they tried a dozen different formats and all of them failed for varying reasons. Why mess with success because of a temporary funding hiccup, especially when a plan for development/expansion was already in place.

Because it is impossible to call the current format and the majority of entities that take part in it a "success," for starters.

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VimFuego wrote:

Why would your average punter go and watch and cheer on a rival club in a national league? I wouldn't, and I've been told I am bigger than average by my doctor.

What's the average gate at a home TW game? or WeeNix when not at the stadium?

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Feverish wrote:

chubbs wrote:

I don't know how many of you people were around the scene in the mid 1990's era of the "superclub" which was a regional based competition going to a national round later.

it was dire :

1.. Standards slumped greatly - 12/14 elite teams became 30 elite teams.Now it would be 10 going into 30 (nine really i guess - not sure where the Phoenix fits in) .

2. player payments ballooned as 30 clubs tried to make the national round increasing competition for players.

3. the plate competition for the sides that didn't make the national round was an absolute farce.

Ask anyone who was round in those days - don't think you'll get many positive views.

I enjoyed playing in it - but you are prob right. Not sure it would fit with the current scene due to similar reasons. At least it would have kiwis playing in the top tier :)

Think the context in which the change would be being made – and the reasons for it – would be drastically different.

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VimFuego wrote:

Why would your average punter go and watch and cheer on a rival club in a national league? I wouldn't, and I've been told I am bigger than average by my doctor.

Who's asking you to go cheer on a rival club?

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Doloras wrote:


The current NZFC format has worked for 15 years with a few tweaks, after the previous 15 years when they tried a dozen different formats and all of them failed for varying reasons. Why mess with success because of a temporary funding hiccup, especially when a plan for development/expansion was already in place.

Because it is impossible to call the current format and the majority of entities that take part in it a "success," for starters.

Compared to everything that was tried 1990-2004, it is a success. It pays not to have unrealistic expectations in NZ football..

As to the individual entities involved, isn't that what NZF's existing plan is meant to do - re-align the HandyPrem with the winter competition "gradually", rather than throwing it in the garbage and starting from scratch?

I honestly don't see any reason to believe that "Superclub 2.0" would be any better than the original version, just that some people have short memories. You have to explain what the "context... and reasons for change" would be - I can't see anything apart from "saving money", which is a bad reason to do anything in the long term.

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