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RR wrote:

TV Blackbox understands Fox Sports is paying $25 million in cash and $7 million in contra to retain the football rights.
https://tvblackbox.com.au/page/2020/06/27/highly-respected-football-caller-simon-hill-departs-fox-sports-ahead-of-a-league-return/

Wowsers, only 8,000 watched the game between the Nix and Jest in round 16 this season.

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el grapadura wrote:

RR wrote:

TV Blackbox understands Fox Sports is paying $25 million in cash and $7 million in contra to retain the football rights.
https://tvblackbox.com.au/page/2020/06/27/highly-respected-football-caller-simon-hill-departs-fox-sports-ahead-of-a-league-return/

Wowsers, only 8,000 watched the game between the Nix and Jest in round 16 this season.

I saw that, surely that must be an error in the way they collect that data?

25 mil cash less the FFA's take for running the Aussie national teams, that isnt gonna go very far spread over 12 AL teams. I could honestly see the cap droping down to $2 million. 

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RR wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

RR wrote:

TV Blackbox understands Fox Sports is paying $25 million in cash and $7 million in contra to retain the football rights.
https://tvblackbox.com.au/page/2020/06/27/highly-respected-football-caller-simon-hill-departs-fox-sports-ahead-of-a-league-return/

Wowsers, only 8,000 watched the game between the Nix and Jest in round 16 this season.

I saw that, surely that must be an error in the way they collect that data?

I wouldn't be so sure, I know the TV audiences the previous season were averaging around 30k per game, and they mentioned there's been another 25% drop this season. In that context an 8k audience for a game that's not particularly interesting to the Aussie market is believable. And goes some way to explaining Fox's efforts to get out of the deal from 2016.

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Think that a TV deal could be the least of FFAs problems in getting season 20/21. The way this 2nd wave of the virus is shaping up i cant the borders in either country opening any time soon. In fact Victoria could be heading into its own isolation bubble the way things are shaping up which would present another set of logistical problems to deal with. Take Melbourne Derbies  out of the mix and things become even less appealing for broadcasters 

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How can you justify being in the A-League with those poor ratings? time and time again. If only we had a derby.

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Roar still have to play the Victory, so that might have to be shifted to the last game & hope that the Roar don't have to host a Finals game.

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As people are saying on other forums it would seem crazy that the Phoenix who came from a covid free country on a chartered plane had to quarantine for fourteen days but the Melbourne teams, some of who live in the high risk postcodes and who all mingled together when attempting to fly into ACT, don't.

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So is there an exception to cross the border and an exception to quarantine? If so what is the chances of the latter? 

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Ryan wrote:

As people are saying on other forums it would seem crazy that the Phoenix who came from a covid free country on a chartered plane had to quarantine for fourteen days but the Melbourne teams, some of who live in the high risk postcodes and who all mingled together when attempting to fly into ACT, don't.

Absolutely. It'd be a dangerous move in terms of public health, but also politically for a whole number of reasons. Why would NSW government be willing to take on those risks?

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el grapadura wrote:

Ryan wrote:

As people are saying on other forums it would seem crazy that the Phoenix who came from a covid free country on a chartered plane had to quarantine for fourteen days but the Melbourne teams, some of who live in the high risk postcodes and who all mingled together when attempting to fly into ACT, don't.

Absolutely. It'd be a dangerous move in terms of public health, but also politically for a whole number of reasons. Why would NSW government be willing to take on those risks?

Have the A League teams been in their own bubbles, if so that may help. 
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el grapadura wrote:

Ryan wrote:

As people are saying on other forums it would seem crazy that the Phoenix who came from a covid free country on a chartered plane had to quarantine for fourteen days but the Melbourne teams, some of who live in the high risk postcodes and who all mingled together when attempting to fly into ACT, don't.

Absolutely. It'd be a dangerous move in terms of public health, but also politically for a whole number of reasons. Why would NSW government be willing to take on those risks?

Also puts the whole A league resumption at unnecessary risk of being cancelled if there is a covid outbreak amongst the melbourne teams.. surely they have to do 14 days of isolated training like the Nix. Will obviously mean rescheduling some matches and maybe moving the final series out a bit till the end of August. But wasn't that the whole idea, to be flexible.

PFA surely are advocating for player safety first?

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el grapadura wrote:

Ryan wrote:

As people are saying on other forums it would seem crazy that the Phoenix who came from a covid free country on a chartered plane had to quarantine for fourteen days but the Melbourne teams, some of who live in the high risk postcodes and who all mingled together when attempting to fly into ACT, don't.

Absolutely. It'd be a dangerous move in terms of public health, but also politically for a whole number of reasons. Why would NSW government be willing to take on those risks?

NSW let two players who had breached quarantine come back for another try, they don't seem *that* strict about things.

But yes, they will almost certainly have to do 14 days quarantine, which means finding 3 places where it will be possible to do that + train.

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el grapadura wrote:

Ryan wrote:

As people are saying on other forums it would seem crazy that the Phoenix who came from a covid free country on a chartered plane had to quarantine for fourteen days but the Melbourne teams, some of who live in the high risk postcodes and who all mingled together when attempting to fly into ACT, don't.

Absolutely. It'd be a dangerous move in terms of public health, but also politically for a whole number of reasons. Why would NSW government be willing to take on those risks?

NSW let two players who had breached quarantine come back for another try, they don't seem *that* strict about things.

Fair up to a point - the two players in question still had to quarantine again though, despite coming from a place that had no community transmission at the time.

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el grapadura wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Ryan wrote:

As people are saying on other forums it would seem crazy that the Phoenix who came from a covid free country on a chartered plane had to quarantine for fourteen days but the Melbourne teams, some of who live in the high risk postcodes and who all mingled together when attempting to fly into ACT, don't.

Absolutely. It'd be a dangerous move in terms of public health, but also politically for a whole number of reasons. Why would NSW government be willing to take on those risks?

NSW let two players who had breached quarantine come back for another try, they don't seem *that* strict about things.

Fair up to a point - the two players in question still had to quarantine again though, despite coming from a place that had no community transmission at the time.

Indeed – but I doubt that if, say, James Cameron had been found gallivanting down Cuba St, he would have been allowed back into New Zealand while border controls were in place. Massive let off. 

I would assume the hold up right now is finding places where quarantine+train is possible rather than whether they will allow it full stop.

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el grapadura wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Ryan wrote:

As people are saying on other forums it would seem crazy that the Phoenix who came from a covid free country on a chartered plane had to quarantine for fourteen days but the Melbourne teams, some of who live in the high risk postcodes and who all mingled together when attempting to fly into ACT, don't.

Absolutely. It'd be a dangerous move in terms of public health, but also politically for a whole number of reasons. Why would NSW government be willing to take on those risks?

NSW let two players who had breached quarantine come back for another try, they don't seem *that* strict about things.

Fair up to a point - the two players in question still had to quarantine again though, despite coming from a place that had no community transmission at the time.

Indeed – but I doubt that if, say, James Cameron had been found gallivanting down Cuba St, he would have been allowed back into New Zealand while border controls were in place. Massive let off. 

I would assume the hold up right now is finding places where quarantine+train is possible rather than whether they will allow it full stop.

Gonna be much harder to find places if the players wont head to NSW without their immediate families as has been reported 
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RR wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Ryan wrote:

As people are saying on other forums it would seem crazy that the Phoenix who came from a covid free country on a chartered plane had to quarantine for fourteen days but the Melbourne teams, some of who live in the high risk postcodes and who all mingled together when attempting to fly into ACT, don't.

Absolutely. It'd be a dangerous move in terms of public health, but also politically for a whole number of reasons. Why would NSW government be willing to take on those risks?

NSW let two players who had breached quarantine come back for another try, they don't seem *that* strict about things.

Fair up to a point - the two players in question still had to quarantine again though, despite coming from a place that had no community transmission at the time.

Indeed – but I doubt that if, say, James Cameron had been found gallivanting down Cuba St, he would have been allowed back into New Zealand while border controls were in place. Massive let off. 

I would assume the hold up right now is finding places where quarantine+train is possible rather than whether they will allow it full stop.

Gonna be much harder to find places if the players wont head to NSW without their immediate families as has been reported 

Does also sound like, from GOR speaking today, that they actually think they can get into NSW with no quarantine whatsoever.

As far as families go, they're just going to have to accept it or pull out. 

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Does also sound like, from GOR speaking today, that they actually think they can get into NSW with no quarantine whatsoever.

As far as families go, they're just going to have to accept it or pull out. 

They have to make up their minds if they are coming or going.

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el grapadura wrote:

Ryan wrote:

As people are saying on other forums it would seem crazy that the Phoenix who came from a covid free country on a chartered plane had to quarantine for fourteen days but the Melbourne teams, some of who live in the high risk postcodes and who all mingled together when attempting to fly into ACT, don't.

Absolutely. It'd be a dangerous move in terms of public health, but also politically for a whole number of reasons. Why would NSW government be willing to take on those risks?

So it plays out as expected - exemption to enter the state given, but with a 14-day quarantine condition. The teams should be able to get to NSW today, which means that they'd be out of the quarantine on 24 July.

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Good. Now we just hope there is no spike in covid cases in NSW over the next 6 weeks.

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Ranix wrote:

Good. Now we just hope there is no spike in covid cases in NSW over the next 6 weeks.

Or that one or more players from Victorian clubs don't test positive in the next couple of weeks.

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’DUMB, STUPID’: FFA HUBRIS COULD BRING DOWN THE A-LEAGUE The A-League faces its most critical 12 months next year as it attempts to pull itself out of the COVID black hole, but it won’t thrive unless the FFA changes its approach to the world game in Australia.

A-League: FFA must connect grassroots with the main game to win over broadcasters

The A-League faces the most critical 12 months of its 15-year existence as it looks to pull itself out of a COVID-19 black hole amid broadcasting uncertainty.

With the A-League season set to resume on Friday, with Sydney FC and Wellington Phoenix reigniting things after a four-month wait, we can on one hand take a moment to reflect on the great work done to get the game back on the park while also acknowledging the unbelievably important period coming up for the game.

For much of the lockdown period, the game had its hands tied as it sorted out a broadcast deal with Fox Sports.

What disappointed me in the period while the broadcast deal was being finalised was the fact it just went silent. There was no news on it, no one was reassuring people that although it was taking a while, we’re here and ready to go.

It was a tough time for everyone involved in the game.

The players were, of course, worried about their futures.

The Fox deal was on the brink of completely not existing anymore. But they got together and have somehow revived it so we can finish the season and also go on for next season.

But there’s a lot of work ahead to turn it around and make sure it’s a success.

No one is going to get judged on the finish to this season. It is going to be whatever it is and is a success in simply getting restarted

But next season is critical, for the A-League for FFA, for the clubs and for everyone in the game to show Fox why they should continue — or show anyone why it should be a viable product.

FFA knows what it needs to do. It is so obvious: be unified, move as one and give the supporters and competition the exposure so people can see it — and the quality that the people want to see.

How do you do that? The biggest thing, as it always has been, is to find a way to connect the grassroots to the main game.

Everyone is bored of hearing how football is the biggest sport and that more kids play it than any other. That’s not good enough.

Because what no one in the A-League era or NSL era has managed to do is connected the massive grassroots level to the elite domestic competition.

Instead, we fall into traps comparing our game to the major European leagues.

What the FFA, club owners and the game need to do is convince the football people in this country that the A-League is a good league, it’s our league and it’s one to be proud.

Comparing our competition to the English Premier League? That is dumb and stupid, and will get us nowhere.

All the leagues around the world have their ups and downs, and that’s the way it is. But since it started in 2005, the level of the football in the A-League has been of a good all-round standard.

And to go back further, the same must be said for the old NSL, which had its problems, no doubt about it, but produced some of our greatest players.

Mark Viduka, Marco Bresciano, even going back to myself, Graham Arnold, the Vidmar brothers, Ned Zelic, Paul Okon.

We all started in the old NSL. In essence, the game in this country has always been quite healthy, but we’ve just failed to make the people, the grassroots, the broad base of the biggest participation sport in the world … we’ve just never managed to make them love it.

That’s the challenge for FFA and the A-League over the next 12 months. And it starts on Friday.

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random fact I came across : did you know Danny Allsop was an under-17 WC golden boot? 

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Some of the competition’s highest earners are already on just 17 per cent of their agreed terms, plus JobKeeper, until the end of August. Most are down at least 50 per cent.

Those tied to ongoing deals were expecting to revert to their original agreements next season.

However, club sources have confirmed that with the salary cap set to be slashed to as little as $1.6 million - and the Fox Sports TV deal already shaved from $57 million to around $30 million - player wages are in the firing line.

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/players-face-savage-pay-cuts-as-pfa-prepares-to-battle-with-a-league-clubs

If the cap drops down to 1.6m million, this off season is gonna be nuts. Even teams with half their rosters signed are gonna be looking to offload their big earners, teams like Sydney and Brisbane have almost a full roster signed already.

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Show me the money!

As much as I like the idea of going in to battle for the workers, if there is no money then there is no pay. It’s simple business 101. If the salary cap falls to $1.6 million then that’s the rules that the clubs will have to operate under. Sad for the players but pro football is a business. If the imports can find better money offshore they will go. Market forces rule.

The Aussie commentators mentioned this in passing during the Adelaide match. They stated that the new era will mean that the A-League clubs will have to do more to develop and play young talent. You would have to admit that the Nix are significantly more advanced in developing young local talent. The academy has been a huge success. It is obvious to any aspiring young kiwi that there is a clear pathway to pro football via the Nix. The fact that we also have a near exclusive talent pool from a nation of five million people is an added advantage.

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RR wrote:

Some of the competition’s highest earners are already on just 17 per cent of their agreed terms, plus JobKeeper, until the end of August. Most are down at least 50 per cent.

Those tied to ongoing deals were expecting to revert to their original agreements next season.

However, club sources have confirmed that with the salary cap set to be slashed to as little as $1.6 million - and the Fox Sports TV deal already shaved from $57 million to around $30 million - player wages are in the firing line.

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/players-face-savage-pay-cuts-as-pfa-prepares-to-battle-with-a-league-clubs

If the cap drops down to 1.6m million, this off season is gonna be nuts. Even teams with half their rosters signed are gonna be looking to offload their big earners, teams like Sydney and Brisbane have almost a full roster signed already.

Surely this is the death knell to any hopes of Hooper signing on for next season or beyond. The generosity of Welnix owners can only go so far - though who knows after all they have been through over the years, emotion & some beers may briefly over rule the P&L statement if Nix did win the toilet seat!!

Also getting a transfer fee for Cacace would be useful.

However haven't read any news yet about player wages being slashed in The Championship for season 2020/2021. That yes of course could all change if Britain got a '2nd wave' and all football again had to be halted. 

But Hooper's had a good 6 month run now of being injury free in the A League. He a proven player at that level, and some Championship clubs will be interested in him. If he's on the reported nearly $NZD1M, that's about GBP10,000/week. Read somewhere that pre Covid that's about an average wage in The Championship.

Steinmann is the other future uncontracted visa player? DM is pretty well covered with Rufer, Devlin and Wilson. Yes not a like for like, but Clayton Lewis would sign on cheaply you'd think.

If Devere (also off contract) goes. Then TAHW gets his chance. Tom Doyle to return as a back up CB. James McGarry as LB.

And yes this is a shark time for everyone who has taken a financial hit due to Covid. But FFA/NLWG have effectively had a 50% reduction in income (TV rights cash). Players Union & players can complain all they like, but big (team) pay cuts have to happen.

Hopefully new revenue streams can be found, but a low budget CCM, almost NSL model could exist for 2020/2021 and beyond. For most clubs anyway! The Big 3 spending teams to exploit all the various salary cap loopholes.

So Nix won't be only A League club affected by any means - and hopefully they can keep the nucleus of this side - apart from likely Hooper and maybe Steinmann & Devere.

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Some Melbourne and Sydney NPL clubs could have a higher wage bull than CCM next year (if not already).

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Global Game wrote:

Some Melbourne and Sydney NPL clubs could have a higher wage bull than CCM next year (if not already).

South Melbourne comes to mind.

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totally ready! more like demanding one...… just need a wealthy backer to kick it off.

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Would be a huge boost to the game in NZ, esp the derby matches.

Comment about NZ economy being stronger at the moment is irrelevant. Requirement to pay a $10-15M licence fee upfront certainly is relevant.

A future bid seems more of a chance to come out of the new Auckland United, than Auckland City.

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With Queensland borders closing to Sydney, will that mean NSW becomes a hub for all teams? Brisbane relocate to Sydney?

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pierre wrote:

With Queensland borders closing to Sydney, will that mean NSW becomes a hub for all teams? Brisbane relocate to Sydney?

All the remaining games are in Sydney anyway, so don't think it should be an issue.

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coochiee wrote:

RR wrote:

Some of the competition’s highest earners are already on just 17 per cent of their agreed terms, plus JobKeeper, until the end of August. Most are down at least 50 per cent.

Those tied to ongoing deals were expecting to revert to their original agreements next season.

However, club sources have confirmed that with the salary cap set to be slashed to as little as $1.6 million - and the Fox Sports TV deal already shaved from $57 million to around $30 million - player wages are in the firing line.

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/players-face-savage-pay-cuts-as-pfa-prepares-to-battle-with-a-league-clubs

If the cap drops down to 1.6m million, this off season is gonna be nuts. Even teams with half their rosters signed are gonna be looking to offload their big earners, teams like Sydney and Brisbane have almost a full roster signed already.

Surely this is the death knell to any hopes of Hooper signing on for next season or beyond. The generosity of Welnix owners can only go so far - though who knows after all they have been through over the years, emotion & some beers may briefly over rule the P&L statement if Nix did win the toilet seat!!

Also getting a transfer fee for Cacace would be useful.

However haven't read any news yet about player wages being slashed in The Championship for season 2020/2021. That yes of course could all change if Britain got a '2nd wave' and all football again had to be halted. 

But Hooper's had a good 6 month run now of being injury free in the A League. He a proven player at that level, and some Championship clubs will be interested in him. If he's on the reported nearly $NZD1M, that's about GBP10,000/week. Read somewhere that pre Covid that's about an average wage in The Championship.

Steinmann is the other future uncontracted visa player? DM is pretty well covered with Rufer, Devlin and Wilson. Yes not a like for like, but Clayton Lewis would sign on cheaply you'd think.

If Devere (also off contract) goes. Then TAHW gets his chance. Tom Doyle to return as a back up CB. James McGarry as LB.

And yes this is a shark time for everyone who has taken a financial hit due to Covid. But FFA/NLWG have effectively had a 50% reduction in income (TV rights cash). Players Union & players can complain all they like, but big (team) pay cuts have to happen.

Hopefully new revenue streams can be found, but a low budget CCM, almost NSL model could exist for 2020/2021 and beyond. For most clubs anyway! The Big 3 spending teams to exploit all the various salary cap loopholes.

So Nix won't be only A League club affected by any means - and hopefully they can keep the nucleus of this side - apart from likely Hooper and maybe Steinmann & Devere.

This is a very good post

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