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Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

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Balbi wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

OzNix wrote:

What is the point of having a Wellington W-League side if they're going to based in Australia? Having said that you could argue the same for the men at the moment. :)

So that best Kiwi players in NZ can play in a professional, higher level, competition than they would otherwise in NZ?

not sure this sentence makes sense..

Playing NWL in NZ or W-League in Aussie - which one gets our players better quality opposition and game time on a regular basis?

living in Oz is likely not an option for some of NZ's best NZ domiciled players

Why not? I mean, if you want to be a professional footballer, you go where the gigs are, you don't expect them to come to you.

ok so either you are referring to those that want to be pro, or assuming all decent NZ women footballers want to be. 

I'm not assuming anything. Those who have aspirations to play professionally and are good enough get a chance to do that rather than wasting away domestically in NZ. Those who don't are irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion no matter how good/talented they are. 

It is relevant when there will be players who are not interested pulling up stumps in NZ for six months to live in Oz on an oily rag. That's what the Oz based team is - a different proposition to an NZ based W -League team (not that that was even a prospect but it was the original question). They aren't going to come back and be able to retire with their windfall. Is it merely an option for some players - maybe more of an option for those currently doing the pro thing

Uhm, but that's not what you were saying. You said that not all best players are interested in becoming pro - if that's true, then where the team is based is irrelevant, and they're not the target for the club at any rate in that case. 

If you want to be a professional footballer, there are sacrifices that come with that. Some are prepared to make them, some aren't. And those who aren't are of not interest to a professional club, regardless of where the club is based.

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el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Balbi wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

OzNix wrote:

What is the point of having a Wellington W-League side if they're going to based in Australia? Having said that you could argue the same for the men at the moment. :)

So that best Kiwi players in NZ can play in a professional, higher level, competition than they would otherwise in NZ?

not sure this sentence makes sense..

Playing NWL in NZ or W-League in Aussie - which one gets our players better quality opposition and game time on a regular basis?

living in Oz is likely not an option for some of NZ's best NZ domiciled players

Why not? I mean, if you want to be a professional footballer, you go where the gigs are, you don't expect them to come to you.

ok so either you are referring to those that want to be pro, or assuming all decent NZ women footballers want to be. 

I'm not assuming anything. Those who have aspirations to play professionally and are good enough get a chance to do that rather than wasting away domestically in NZ. Those who don't are irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion no matter how good/talented they are. 

It is relevant when there will be players who are not interested pulling up stumps in NZ for six months to live in Oz on an oily rag. That's what the Oz based team is - a different proposition to an NZ based W -League team (not that that was even a prospect but it was the original question). They aren't going to come back and be able to retire with their windfall. Is it merely an option for some players - maybe more of an option for those currently doing the pro thing

Uhm, but that's not what you were saying. You said that not all best players are interested in becoming pro - if that's true, then where the team is based is irrelevant, and they're not the target for the club at any rate in that case. 

If you want to be a professional footballer, there are sacrifices that come with that. Some are prepared to make them, some aren't. And those who aren't are of not interest to a professional club, regardless of where the club is based.

I was assuming W-League players can earn money outside of the pittance they get for playing - but could be wrong?

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Won't most of the team likely be coming from Auckland anyway? I see NZF are eager to be involved so presuming a lot with be coming out of the FFDP group, who are based in Auckland.

In a way what does it matter if they have to relocate to Wellington or Wollongong for 4-6 months. It could be as short as 4 months. 1 month pre season and then into it. W League is pretty brief.

A lot of the group will likely be students, so as long as they have capacity to do their courses online, should be okay. Playing in the W League definitely can open doors. Look at all the ex W League players who have now been signed in Europe, esp UK. Also because the season is so short, you can try sign elsewhere in other leagues to increase your income over a 12 month stretch. Likes of Rebekah Stott have done that in the past.

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coochiee wrote:

Won't most of the team likely be coming from Auckland anyway? I see NZF are eager to be involved so presuming a lot with be coming out of the FFDP group, who are based in Auckland.

In a way what does it matter if they have to relocate to Wellington or Wollongong for 4-6 months. It could be as short as 4 months. 1 month pre season and then into it. W League is pretty brief.

A lot of the group will likely be students, so as long as they have capacity to do their courses online, should be okay. Playing in the W League definitely can open doors. Look at all the ex W League players who have now been signed in Europe, esp UK. Also because the season is so short, you can try sign elsewhere in other leagues to increase your income over a 12 month stretch. Likes of Rebekah Stott have done that in the past.

Yes the FFDP would be the target group (as it's essentially an NZF exercise), and youngsters doing online course would be the easy win as per usual. 

If the league goes ahead, if there is a Nix team in it, if they are based in Oz, then recruitment will be an interesting challenge. I'd say a lot would target it as a way into WC 2023 rather than the pro life.

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If the A League folds or downgrades, what would that mean for the W League and the viability of the Nix having a womens’ side?

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Can't see the W league continuing on without the A league surely?
It won't change much on our side of the pond.. Things will continue on as they have until now

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Maybe we'll start having a PROPER NZ women's league if the A-League folds. The "Nixie Chicks" squaring off against Auckland City, Eastern Suburbs and maybe a SI women's club in a proper multiple round robin.

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Doloras wrote:

Maybe we'll start having a PROPER NZ women's league if the A-League folds. The "Nixie Chicks" squaring off against Auckland City, Eastern Suburbs and maybe a SI women's club in a proper multiple round robin.

its already starting Northern this year are being run by Forest Hill & Glenfield, while Auckland is Eastern Suburbs

NZ women's National League could look like this quite easily

Glenfield \ FHMU 

Eastern Suburbs

Hamilton Wanderers

Palmerston North Marist

Wellington United

Coastal Spirit

Dunedin Technical

add one more from Auckland or the Nix to make it an 8 team league - just got to find the money to pay for it next!

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el grapadura wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Balbi wrote:

Feverish wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

OzNix wrote:

What is the point of having a Wellington W-League side if they're going to based in Australia? Having said that you could argue the same for the men at the moment. :)

So that best Kiwi players in NZ can play in a professional, higher level, competition than they would otherwise in NZ?

not sure this sentence makes sense..

Playing NWL in NZ or W-League in Aussie - which one gets our players better quality opposition and game time on a regular basis?

living in Oz is likely not an option for some of NZ's best NZ domiciled players

Why not? I mean, if you want to be a professional footballer, you go where the gigs are, you don't expect them to come to you.

An example and someone I chat to when I see her around here in Christchurch would be Annalie Longo.

She has certainly been putting in a big effort as a 29 year-old senior NZ women's footballer to balance family life and career:

- Mother of two school-age daughters.

- June - September 2020: played 12 games for Cashmere Technical in Mainland Women's Premier League (16 goals, second top scorer in league)

- October - February last summer: based in Melbourne playing for the Victory in the W-League.

- September - October last year: trained and played early season with Mainland Pride.

- For a few years before taking leave last October to play W-League has been Women's Development Officer for Mainland Fooball.

- At times has spent half the week commuting from Christchurch to Auckland for Football Ferns training.

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Says there it would cost the Nix about one million dollars per season to have a W-League side.

Surely that wouldn't be viable now in the post-Covid environment when the Nix will be tightening belts due to reduced revenue?

There are major doubts now across the ditch as whether next season's W-League will go head:

https://thewomensgame.com/news/w-league-in-major-d...

"Each club apparently receives $200,000 from FFA for their W-League program, with the total $1.8M injection in jeopardy considering FFA’s cash flow has been severely dented by the reduced Foxtel TV deal and the loss of major sponsors including Hyundai, Caltex, Aldi, NAB and Harvey Norman.

FFA are estimated to have lost nearly $40M in revenue this year...

There was expected to be a major flow of funds coming into women’s football since the hosting rights were awarded to Australia and New Zealand, but with governments and the corporate world all struggling, it appears this may not be as big as previously predicted."

However:

"The $32M post COVID19 Foxtel deal signed in June would require the W-League to go ahead."

I suspect though that the W-League not going ahead wouldn't affect the TV money too much and it might be something the FFA would be prepared to sacrifice.

Women's football unfortunately is usually the first thing that professional football clubs sacfifice in hard financial times internationally.

My club Charlton Athletic for many years in the 1990's and early 2000's had one of the strongest women's football programs in England, fielding a side in the top women's league..

But when the club struggled financially after 2008 and Premier League relegation, the first thing they did was cut the women's team.....

They've only brought back woman's side in more recent years.

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Not happening.

Wellington Phoenix were reportedly to introduce a W-League side for the upcoming season, but the uncertainty surrounding it means the expansion process will be delayed until at least the 2021-22 season. Furthermore, Wellington are not the only A-League club interested in entering a team into the W-League.

“All the A-League clubs that don’t currently have a W-League licence are looking to participate in a process of expansion for the season after next,” the spokesperson said. “We will look at all possibilities as we intend to successfully complete a nine-team competition with a similar number of games as last season, with the same broadcast opportunities to showcase the W-League.”

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Balbi wrote:

Not happening.

Wellington Phoenix were reportedly to introduce a W-League side for the upcoming season, but the uncertainty surrounding it means the expansion process will be delayed until at least the 2021-22 season. Furthermore, Wellington are not the only A-League club interested in entering a team into the W-League.

“All the A-League clubs that don’t currently have a W-League licence are looking to participate in a process of expansion for the season after next,” the spokesperson said. “We will look at all possibilities as we intend to successfully complete a nine-team competition with a similar number of games as last season, with the same broadcast opportunities to showcase the W-League.”

Potentially more teams in the W League then the A League if Canberra doesn't get into the A League any time soon.

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https://www.espn.com.au/football/wellington-phoeni...

Looks good for a nix team in this years W-League which starts in 9 weeks.

Everyone involved needs a lot of plaudits as it would have been easy to drop this as too hard in the current environment.

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Getting closer from what Dome is hinting at ?

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/300145525/t...

If there a number of Football Ferns currently stuck in NZ at the moment due to Covid, Nix could field a reasonable W League team if they can scramble something together at this very late stage.

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Any news or rumour's out there that a Nix W league team is stiill a possibility?

The weeks are ticking by so I guess its looking less and less likely

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coochiee wrote:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/300145525/t...

If there a number of Football Ferns currently stuck in NZ at the moment due to Covid, Nix could field a reasonable W League team if they can scramble something together at this very late stage.

There aren't really. Only a few fringe players in the NWL.

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Getting pretty late in the piece - Is this off now? Or just gonna be a team of Aussie girls wearing Nix uniforms?

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Aguero wrote:

coochiee wrote:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/300145525/t...

If there a number of Football Ferns currently stuck in NZ at the moment due to Covid, Nix could field a reasonable W League team if they can scramble something together at this very late stage.

There aren't really. Only a few fringe players in the NWL.

I think the women's season in Scandinavia is now winding up. So potential for a few ferns to come from there. Bott, Winkinson, Hasett and co, might be available?

Also isn't the W league tied in with the NWSL in US some how.?

But with quarantine etc.....Not sure they can pull it off.

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Blocked by FFA

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/football-plans-for-wellington-phoenix-womens-side-blocked/3XIHUBDURJZII7RFSCY3ZIKRIA/

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Blocked by FFA

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/football-plans-for-wellington-phoenix-womens-side-blocked/3XIHUBDURJZII7RFSCY3ZIKRIA/

Doesn't seem to be a whole lot of logic involved in the decision - would like to hear the FFAs side of it!
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Nelfoos wrote:

Doesn't seem to be a whole lot of logic involved in the decision - would like to hear the FFAs side of it!

Is one of the existing W League clubs in danger of folding? Must be some uncertainty about Newcastle's W League side. But would have thought that this season with likely no foreign women's players in the League due to Covid travel restrictions, plenty of spots already for all of Australia's young emerging female talent.

But yes with NZF backing the She-Nix and whole bid being made with one eye on the 2023 WWC, pointless if the side can't be mostly Kiwi players. Real shame as sounds like otherwise it's all ready to go by December 27th, and obviously a lot of work has been undertaken to get it this close.

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Uhm, this is a pretty fundamental issue to having the team in the league - how do you get to this late stage without having it resolved? I'd have thought it'd be one of the first things to tick off on the check list.

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Feel for all the people that have put so much effort into trying to make this happen Domey etc.

Bit of a kick in the teeth for the Nix. You would think they have well and truly demonstrated that they still develop and give opportunities to young Australian players and coaches. Look at there last 3 signings and the number of there players picked in the Aus U23 side. 

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el grapadura wrote:

Uhm, this is a pretty fundamental issue to having the team in the league - how do you get to this late stage without having it resolved? I'd have thought it'd be one of the first things to tick off on the check list.

not surprising given the FFA's reluctance to be useful or supportive in any way.

You'd like to think the club/FFA had the player designation as locals resolved but we all know the FFA like to drag their heels on everything.

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theprof wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Uhm, this is a pretty fundamental issue to having the team in the league - how do you get to this late stage without having it resolved? I'd have thought it'd be one of the first things to tick off on the check list.

not surprising given the FFA's reluctance to be useful or supportive in any way.

You'd like to think the club/FFA had the player designation as locals resolved but we all know the FFA like to drag their heels on everything.

But why would you press on with putting together the team if you haven't had this basic issue confirmed/agreed with the FFA? From what I can see in the article, this is not a case of FFA agreeing to it and then doing a 180, it seems to have just cropped up now. And that seems...very odd.

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el grapadura wrote:

theprof wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Uhm, this is a pretty fundamental issue to having the team in the league - how do you get to this late stage without having it resolved? I'd have thought it'd be one of the first things to tick off on the check list.

not surprising given the FFA's reluctance to be useful or supportive in any way.

You'd like to think the club/FFA had the player designation as locals resolved but we all know the FFA like to drag their heels on everything.

But why would you press on with putting together the team if you haven't had this basic issue confirmed/agreed with the FFA? From what I can see in the article, this is not a case of FFA agreeing to it and then doing a 180, it seems to have just cropped up now. And that seems...very odd.

Like Nelfoos said.  Would like to hear the FFAs side of it!

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The FFA are a bunch of knuts for doing this, with the WWC coming up you would think those matters would have been sorted. We need a professional pathway for these young girls in NZ and in a critical time of need this whole thing just sucks ass.

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el grapadura wrote:

Uhm, this is a pretty fundamental issue to having the team in the league - how do you get to this late stage without having it resolved? I'd have thought it'd be one of the first things to tick off on the check list.

Very strange. Hopefully we will get to find out the whole story. No doubt that a Nix women’s side would benefit the men’s side.

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All seems very odd and illogical at this late stage. 

Made me wonder, there was some comment a while back about FFA and Nix over a legal matter and potential court proceedings. Is this FFA flexing there muscle as a result of that.

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el grapadura wrote:

theprof wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Uhm, this is a pretty fundamental issue to having the team in the league - how do you get to this late stage without having it resolved? I'd have thought it'd be one of the first things to tick off on the check list.

not surprising given the FFA's reluctance to be useful or supportive in any way.

You'd like to think the club/FFA had the player designation as locals resolved but we all know the FFA like to drag their heels on everything.

But why would you press on with putting together the team if you haven't had this basic issue confirmed/agreed with the FFA? From what I can see in the article, this is not a case of FFA agreeing to it and then doing a 180, it seems to have just cropped up now. And that seems...very odd.

I bet any money the Nix and NZF have been aware of this for some time but have been quietly working on the FFA to sort it which due to the mess the A League is in has probably taken a lot of the FFA's time.

It's now got to a point where the Nix/NZF have come out to make it clear why it won't happen now (or potentially any time soon) taking the blame off Kiwi shoulders and putting it squarely where it belongs.

Let's not forget Aussie has always been against kiwi teams and it's only been FIFA and Oceania that has kept the Kingz, Knights and Nix in at times.

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Ranix wrote:

All seems very odd and illogical at this late stage. 

Made me wonder, there was some comment a while back about FFA and Nix over a legal matter and potential court proceedings. Is this FFA flexing there muscle as a result of that.

You’d think payback for the court case over the licence $ could well be a factor in this. You’d think the Nix would have foreseen this.

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el grapadura wrote:

theprof wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Uhm, this is a pretty fundamental issue to having the team in the league - how do you get to this late stage without having it resolved? I'd have thought it'd be one of the first things to tick off on the check list.

not surprising given the FFA's reluctance to be useful or supportive in any way.

You'd like to think the club/FFA had the player designation as locals resolved but we all know the FFA like to drag their heels on everything.

But why would you press on with putting together the team if you haven't had this basic issue confirmed/agreed with the FFA? From what I can see in the article, this is not a case of FFA agreeing to it and then doing a 180, it seems to have just cropped up now. And that seems...very odd.

cynic in me says the FFA has been super positive about this idea all along, telling the nix it will be sweet. I'd be surprised if Dome and co hadn't asked about it early on, they tend to think of most sticking points. I'd wager the FFA didnt change their mind but it became too difficult to make it happen or it became a "we need to focus on develoiping aussie players not kiwi"

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Yeah I have zero faith the FFA have done it for the reason they've said they've done it. Just another in a long line of policies setup to make life difficult on this side of the Tasman. Not even surprised at this point, fudge the FFA.

It does sound as though we had verbal confirmation the rules would be changed. Pretty naive of us to assume that the FFA would engage in good faith given their track record.

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So instead of improving the women's game (and it would have benefited some Australian players too I'm sure). The FFA appear to have turned down the Nix because they were worried it would improve the Ferns chances too much before the 2023 World Cup. Sounds like the Nix were blindsided by it from Vince article, as they had the announment lined up for Thursday with Grant Robertson.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/international-...

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/world-game/...

Why don't NZF/Nix offer to make it a 50:50 split for this 1st season. So half Kiwi & Aussie players. So say 11 each in a 22 player squad

Surely giving 11 Kiwi girls/women (maybe solely domestic based) exposure at a higher level is a good thing.

Then try and nut out a better result for following seasons with FFA.

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not really surprised to be honest. FFA is simply too short sighted to see anything other than their own interests

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so FFA still massive bellends.

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It's a loose loose situation. It doesn't make any sense.

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number8 wrote:

It's a loose loose situation. It doesn't make any sense.

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