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A draw and the performance were not up to standard but we are up into third so a win will keep us there. Exciting final day with United v Leicester and Chelsea v Wolves. 

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Big final day indeed. Players are exhausted, Pogba’s mistake almost unforgivable. 

Draw or a win for champions league. You’d take it 9 months ago. 

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This team has improved this season. For the first time since Fergie left I feel we are set up to be able to try and challenge. I know Mourinho got us to 2nd but the football was awful and it didnt feel like we were getting better as a team and a group.

No matter what happens this weekend I feel optimistic for next season, again thats the first time I have felt this since Fergie left.

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AlfStamp wrote:

This team has improved this season. For the first time since Fergie left I feel we are set up to be able to try and challenge. I know Mourinho got us to 2nd but the football was awful and it didnt feel like we were getting better as a team and a group.

No matter what happens this weekend I feel optimistic for next season, again thats the first time I have felt this since Fergie left.

I sort of agree with you but the major problem is outside the best starting X1, most of the rest are not even close and that is where the weakness is. Even if we win, we will still have the same points as last season and are miles away from the title.

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Leggy wrote:
AlfStamp wrote:

This team has improved this season. For the first time since Fergie left I feel we are set up to be able to try and challenge. I know Mourinho got us to 2nd but the football was awful and it didnt feel like we were getting better as a team and a group.

No matter what happens this weekend I feel optimistic for next season, again thats the first time I have felt this since Fergie left.

I sort of agree with you but the major problem is outside the best starting X1, most of the rest are not even close and that is where the weakness is. Even if we win, we will still have the same points as last season and are miles away from the title.

If we win this weekend its still a massive 30 points behind Liverpool. So my optimism is tempered by that ugly fact. 

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Third place, eh...

oLe DoEsN't KnOw WhAt HeS dOiNg

14 games unbeaten to finish the season.

Let's sign Sancho, replace Matic, get Tuanzebe fit, let's win the fudgeing thing next year...

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Good finish to the season for you fellas. Leicester's collapse was quite remarkable in the end, but you finished ahead of Chelsea so they were the chief beneficiary of the Leicester implosion anyway.

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Feel a little sorry for Leicester. They have had injuries and haven't had a Pulisic or Fernandes come in. 

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Here's a fun one for everyone...

https://twitter.com/UnitedStandMUFC/status/1288838294223167492

This when we start harping about him being the best ever?

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Just watched this. Main takeaways were- he kept it simple. While he had the technique to volley or finish any way at all, two main types of goal stand out- hitting a through ball low and hard along the carpet into the corners (which seems to be his bread and butter) and following in on shots by Scholes, Giggs or Cantona.  You can't miss going underneath the goal.


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Something to keep an eye on but sounds like a mountain out of a molehill situation https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53860014

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After reviewing the CCTV United were awarded a penalty.

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Not surprised this thread has been this quiet with how poor we have been.

Yes we had a poor pre-season. But it is no excuse to go and perform so lethargically and lack lustre against Palace, a team that we should beat comfortably with the talent at our disposal.

Maguire and Lindelof as a pair has to end. 

Woodward needs to pull finger and do a decent deal for once. The only reason we got Donny is because VDS is the DOF at Ajax. The mere fact Woodward has the audacity to use the match programme as a platform to harp on about finances shows how the management and owners of this club truly view it, purely as a business. They do not care about the football at all, it's all about the image and branding for them.

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I'm sorry, the fact is that United has only had one preseason and Pogba, Martial, Bruno, Lindelof did not take part in that. So to somehow dismiss that the preseason was barely 3 weeks long, with a 2 week break in between is crazy.

A typical preseason, is about 12 weeks with 6 weeks off and 5 or 6 games to prepare. It is a joke that United (or any team that played in European competitions) have already begun their season. 

I am not going to knock the on field performances for at least the next few weeks. Its going to be a tough watch. 

Unrelated, United's transfer strategy to delay to try and get the price down clearly does not work and the faster that they realise this, the better the on field team can be. 

Unfortunately, Bailly needs to stay fit because its in games like those vs Palace that he will be better than Lindelof. But he is always injured. Bring in Sancho and only if Jones / Smalling / Dalot / Lingard / Pereira leaves do we need more. Otherwise if those players only play in rotation, we will be ok. 

But its going to be a very slow start

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Optimistic spin:

Crystal Palace started their preseason a week after ours ended. They were always going to be sharper. Going down an early goal against a team who is happier to park the bus and play on the break is the worst case scenario.

Realistic:

Club is in shambles - why the fudge can't we sort a transfer out before we start the season? Chelsea should be getting their balls strung this season by clubs who know they're desperate and willing to pay. Instead they get all their (very solid) business done early.

Look at us, shambles. I totally accept not signing players like Reguilon with buy-back clauses. But why don't we have other options. And why weren't we doing it weeks ago? If Real Madrid weren't play ball move on. Do it before the window opens!

Other than those that have been mentioned above - Pogba was genuinely fudgeing terrible this weekend. Van der Beek did more running in about 30 seconds than Pogba.

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Cavani doesn't seem like the whole invest in youth policy, in fact it is rather reminiscent of Falcao, Zlatan, Schweinsteiger etc. 

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Literally all we want from VAR is to look at the Martial vs Lamela highlights and say "you know what, Martial slapped him in the face but Lamela elbowed him in the face, so you'll need to send them both off"

Instead we get offsides measured to he millimetre and nonsensical hand ball decisions.

I turned it off then. Ruined a good game.

And yes Cavani seems to be Falcao 2.0. No idea what the club is doing.

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I was going to take the piss at you guys but then Villa changed that scenario. All I can say is that it (& the Villa result) was is freakish. Bookies would have either made or lost a sharkload of money.

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I'd call that a pretty good deadline day for us. Would have been better if Romero, Rojo, and Jones were ditched but hey-ho. 

Know nothing about the two wingers, but look good on YouTube (yes, as everyone does), and I'm glad we didn't end up with Sancho. I just don't see a GBP100m player there. And he seems like a bit of a knob. 

A new CB would have been welcome, maybe Dayot and/or Mings in the future.

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Decent start to the CL. Sounds like big performances from Fred, Tuanzebe and AWB and I've also seen people saying Pogba was v good off the bench. Will have to catch a replay tonight.

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Decent game. Yeah, Fred, Tuanzebe, AWB all played well.

I watch very little of Neymar, but whenever I play him he looks like a child trying to play FIFA by spamming the trick stick. Honestly looks so ineffective. This idea that he's the third best player on earth? Nah.

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I think the whole squad performed, which is what we need to do against teams like PSG, we can't afford passengers in big games.

Also over the past couple of seasons, I genuinely think some of our best performances have been when we've had a 3-5-2 formation.

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PSG must really dislike you guys. For all their money and you continually rolll them like  they were a Championship club. Good job.

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The P.E. teacher takes another scalp.

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Just heard on news  Bobby Charlton has been diagnosed with dementia. Very sad one of the great United players from my younger days. Was also an integral part of the 66 World Cup team

Only 3 others left still alive from that team

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Tobbymate wrote:

Just heard on news  Bobby Charlton has been diagnosed with dementia. Very sad one of the great United players from my younger days. Was also an integral part of the 66 World Cup team

Only 3 others left still alive from that team

Think there are four.  Bobby Charlton,Geoff Hurst,Rodger Hunt and George Cohen

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Ole's position looking weak again? The league is incredibly strong this year. 

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There's a lot of talk about Ole having a better record over 100 games then both Fergusson, Mourinho and Klopp.

I think we're still only in our second year of a longer term project. Remember we've essentially had to reset from what Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho failed to do and that was to address the serious squad issues within the team. There's still a lot of work to do in terms of losing some more dead weight and bringing in more "squad" players.

What I'm finding disappointing is the constant reshuffling of formations, I can understand Ole is trying to set up to play other teams, but feel like we're not developing our own "style" or brand because of this. 

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ChopperNZ wrote:

There's a lot of talk about Ole having a better record over 100 games then both Fergusson, Mourinho and Klopp.

I think we're still only in our second year of a longer term project. Remember we've essentially had to reset from what Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho failed to do and that was to address the serious squad issues within the team. There's still a lot of work to do in terms of losing some more dead weight and bringing in more "squad" players.

What I'm finding disappointing is the constant reshuffling of formations, I can understand Ole is trying to set up to play other teams, but feel like we're not developing our own "style" or brand because of this. 

That is because he is clueless.

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Ole plays diamond vs PSG United play well and win.

Ole plays diamond vs Instabul. United play poorly with some clear defensive errors = Ole is an idiot.

So if Ole had changed formation before Instabul and we lost, he would've been criticised for changing too much. If he doesn't he gets called clueless.

Team is better than last year and is set up for success in the future. United fans must be patient. The only fair criticism is for the board for not delivering transfers. Otherwise, time to put some heat on the players for being ridiculously inconsistent.

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He didn't play a diamond against PSG, it was against RB Leipzig wasn't it? 

And between that and the Istanbul game he played the diamond against Arsenal and lost as well. In fact the midfield got dominated in that game despite Arsenal having less bodies in there (the scoreline was flattering for ManU). 

So it's gone well in one game out of three as far as I can tell. Not saying it's not a good idea, but it's not the picture you've painted there either. Perhaps your next match might be the make or break for that particular formation?

I think regardless of formations it's the inconsistency of results and performances that is drawing the criticism. 

You did well to finish top 4 last season with a good final run, and now with the time Ole's had you should be settled and pushing on. I think the argument about a lack of transfers is a bit of scapegoat from the Ole fans. Yea you could've done better with all that money, but this team has got so many expensive players in it, it should be better than this. I agreed with you about Ole a while back but I feel he's regressing now. Starting to wonder if he's just not that good of a Manager.

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paulm wrote:

He didn't play a diamond against PSG, it was against RB Leipzig wasn't it? 

And between that and the Istanbul game he played the diamond against Arsenal and lost as well. In fact the midfield got dominated in that game despite Arsenal having less bodies in there (the scoreline was flattering for ManU). 

So it's gone well in one game out of three as far as I can tell. Not saying it's not a good idea, but it's not the picture you've painted there either. Perhaps your next match might be the make or break for that particular formation?

I think regardless of formations it's the inconsistency of results and performances that is drawing the criticism. 

You did well to finish top 4 last season with a good final run, and now with the time Ole's had you should be settled and pushing on. I think the argument about a lack of transfers is a bit of scapegoat from the Ole fans. Yea you could've done better with all that money, but this team has got so many expensive players in it, it should be better than this. I agreed with you about Ole a while back but I feel he's regressing now. Starting to wonder if he's just not that good of a Manager.

That is almost 100% correct. Your last sentence is about right. I said he was clueless, but out of his depth is more like it.

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The reason I dislike the diamond is because I feel like he's purposely deploying it to try and play Pogba in his "favored" position.

I still think the best football I have seen us play over the past two seasons is when we play a 3-5-2.

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ChopperNZ wrote:

There's a lot of talk about Ole having a better record over 100 games then both Fergusson, Mourinho and Klopp.

I think we're still only in our second year of a longer term project. Remember we've essentially had to reset from what Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho failed to do and that was to address the serious squad issues within the team. There's still a lot of work to do in terms of losing some more dead weight and bringing in more "squad" players.

What I'm finding disappointing is the constant reshuffling of formations, I can understand Ole is trying to set up to play other teams, but feel like we're not developing our own "style" or brand because of this. 

Jose's first 100 game record is superior to Ole's. He won trophies, did better in the league, and got sacked for being.....well, Jose.

I've always viewed Ole's role in life was to help steer the club back on track in terms of rebuilding the 'identity. Whatever that means. He's helped do that,  now it's time for someone else/better to take over.

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This Edinson Cavani fella is alright, isn't he?

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sad night for utd, weird season all round. could see us getting pounded by city if kuns comes back to score a bunch

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Maybe he is a PE teacher - Bielsa certainly got a lesson.

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Good on Leeds for giving it a go, definitely made the game an attractive watch, but the way they played suited us to a tee.

Slick passing and quickly breaking when possession was turned over was always going to hurt them. Perhaps put it down to a little Premier League naivety in the fact that very few teams can attack and blitz away for 90 minutes without the need to sit back and at least absorb some pressure when required too. 

They'll learn how to balance that over time, but in saying that, definitely no complaints from me over here!

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