Appiah without the pace
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Appiah without the pace
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Hi everyone,

Smithy and I just completed the Youth Level 2 - Tactical Module coaching course so thought it would be a good idea to just some information and thoughts about it.

For those that don't know, Youth Level 1 concentrates on techniques on how to coach at an age appropriate level.  Where as Youth Level 2 builds on this by providing offering four seperate modules:
1) Tactical
2) Technical
3) Player centred coaching
4) Football fitness

The first section of the module looks at playing formations by comparing the 4-4-2 against the 4-3-3.  Overall there is a philosphy that playing with a singular persevered formation helps players' enjoyment and development by limiting information overload.

The next part covers game day coaching.  Section mainly covers how to identify good and bad play, and how to portray this to your players.

Third part looks at how to increase your knowledge of the game by looking at 4 key moments in games: Defensive transition, attacking transition, defensive organisation, attacking organisation. This section includes a number of videos that cover these moments, where coaches examine and critique strategy, positioning, movement and actions of players.

The fourth section quickly covers how to develop a tactical training session, and what things are important to make them successful.

And finally, the last section is a practically application where coaches play a mini game, and observe the action, much like the video analysis.

Overall, I thought the course was excellent.  Time seemed to fly by which is always a good indication as to the usefulness of it.  There isn't any practical assessment of coaches.  Good mix of theory and practical work, that include a great video of a Neil Warnock half time team talk (cringe worthy stuff). The only downside I could see is that some of the presentation and course document was overly wordy, and could have been simplified. But overall, well worth the $85.
Appiah without the pace
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Courses coming up
http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-8522-0-0-0&sID=220771

Youth Level Two - Tactical
Capital Football Office
Sunday 14 August
2.00-6.00pm
$85.00
To book onto the course contact Paul on 04 212 6546 or via email at [email protected]

Youth Level Two - Tactical
North Wellington Clubrooms
Level 2 Tactical Module
Sunday 4 September
4-8pm
$85.00
Email [email protected] to register


Trialist
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"a great video of a Neil Warnock half time team talk (cringe worthy stuff)"

Could you elaborate as to the "cringe worthy " comment?
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Trialist
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Ah the blood and thunder approach...quite a common "motivational style" in lower division football I'd suggest.I suppose Neil Warnock would be amused that his coaching inadequacies(real or perceived) are highlighted by people who haven't achieved one tenth of what he has in football,like it or not.Don't know what I think of this stuff:hardly technical,but what about the clipboard bore who stats everyone to death at half time?The overly analytical is as dangerous as the neanderthal in my view...
Trialist
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Furthermore,I'm bemused as to why this is shown in YOUTH level coaching courses,presumably as an example of "bad coaching".Using a clip from professional football,albeit lower level,involving grown men,is hardly applicable to youth level is it?The course convenors would be better off going down to the local park and filming youth coaches there:examples abound of this kind of "coaching"...
Using Warnock's rant is hardly comparing like for like is it?
tradition and history
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Ah the blood and thunder approach...quite a common "motivational style" in lower division football I'd suggest.I suppose Neil Warnock would be amused that his coaching inadequacies(real or perceived) are highlighted by people who haven't achieved one tenth of what he has in football,like it or not.Don't know what I think of this stuff:hardly technical,but what about the clipboard bore who stats everyone to death at half time?The overly analytical is as dangerous as the neanderthal in my view...


I would totally disagree that this is prone to lower division football.You can almost bet that a lot of EPL managers are a bit like this.
Trialist
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"I would totally disagree that this is prone to lower division football.You can almost bet that a lot of EPL managers are a bit like this"

Yeah undoubtedly,but is it the major tool of their coaching technique?I'd suggest not,whereas I'm pretty sure nobody would blink an eyelid at Warnock's ranting in the lower divisions,as it's probably the central method used by many
tradition and history
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"I would totally disagree that this is prone to lower division football.You can almost bet that a lot of EPL managers are a bit like this"

Yeah undoubtedly,but is it the major tool of their coaching technique?I'd suggest not,whereas I'm pretty sure nobody would blink an eyelid at Warnock's ranting in the lower divisions,as it's probably the central method used by many


The fact that he was ranting does not necessarily mean that he is not a good coach/manager.It won't be a major tool of their coaching technique.
I have heard a lot worse than that.
Appiah without the pace
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Furthermore,I'm bemused as to why this is shown in YOUTH level coaching courses,presumably as an example of "bad coaching".Using a clip from professional football,albeit lower level,involving grown men,is hardly applicable to youth level is it?The course convenors would be better off going down to the local park and filming youth coaches there:examples abound of this kind of "coaching"...
Using Warnock's rant is hardly comparing like for like is it?


There was another video of a coach for a youth team (not sure of age) doing a similar thing.  Can't find it on youtube though.

Clearly it isn't a technique that will help identify areas of improvement and highlight areas where things are going well.
Trialist
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"The fact that he was ranting does not necessarily mean that he is not a good coach/manager"

Which really brings it back to my central point:was it fair or valid to use this video for a YOUTH coaching course:taking an example from the professional game and using it in this way is in my view,a rather unnecessary way of conveying the coaching vision
Appiah without the pace
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I think you're being ignorant if you don't think similar thing happen around the country at a youth level.

Sure it was a video of a professional team, but try finding easily accessible videos for youth teams.  Pretty hard to.  You're making a mountain out of a molehill.
Trialist
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"Yellow Fever Forums - Stupid People With Stupid Opinions"

Just following instructions...
Stage Punch
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"Yellow Fever Forums - Stupid People With Stupid Opinions"

Just following instructions...
 
You don't give yourself credit.  You're raising the bar.
Marquee
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Course = OK

not a huge turn out at the one i went too
participation apparently has not been too high

last one to do is Fitness. Hopefully NZF has Level 3 ready for the new year. John Herdman had a heap to do with this IIAIK and I hear he took the Canada job



First Team Squad
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I've recently completed the Junior Level 1, Youth Level 1 & Youth Level 2 - Player Centred Coaching, good courses, but a lot of crossover in theme between the  Junior and Youth courses.

From what I understand there's still not Youth Level 3.

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 Youth L3 scheduled for release 'late 2013'

so on NZF time....march 2017

Marquee
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 yes it was originally supposed to ready for 2012. 

might have to start the senior ones this year?

First Team Squad
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great minds think alike Foal

Marquee
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 have you considered coaching a FTC group mate?



First Team Squad
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 that requires spare time and tolerance

First Team Squad
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I coached both U11 Boys and 16+ Girls FTC groups this year. A LOT of patience required, at all age levels

Marquee
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Marquee
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Care to elaborate on that point foal?

Marquee
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 bit of a joke with Gings

although it is probably fair to say the drama and issues with high end junior coaching (regardless of sport/discipline) is the parents. 

Nothing stuffs kids sport quite like adults.

First Team Squad
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Now now Foal - you know how some forum participants feel about in jokes, haha.


Have to say a large percentage of the drama associated with coaching any kid, be it at club or rep level is the parents.


Their poor attitudes, directing their kids against their coaches game plan etc - it does my head in. And *generally* as you move up to the elite players the parents are worse.


To steer this back on track - the 4 modules of in L2 junior and youth are great - but how about a module before you even start "Dealing with parents"

Marquee
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In my experience  2 schools of thought generally apply:

1) communicate and regularly remind all of  the intended goals for the season (development over results etc; or 2) just don't deal with it for better or worse (I know a club/rep coach who never addresses the parents at all simply because it's not his job to coach them).

Marquee
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 like #2.


Yes Gings the Y2 course was quite good. Overall I think anyone considering it should have a go.

First Team Squad
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 #1 is my usual school of thought...sometimes followed by #3 if 1 & 2 havent worked "I'm sorry sir/miss but you are no longer welcome at my teams games due to your conduct and attitude". Usually the player has ripped into mum and/or dad by this stage.

the L2 courses are good, defo looking forward to L3

Trialist
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NZF's Level 1 and 2 youth and junior courses were a complete waste of my time.

They still won't tell you how to plan and deliver a proper session. There is still no mention of what the playing philosophy they refer to in the WOFP is, and with no player profile, what exactly are we supposed to be coaching towards?

I learned more from reading Horst Wein's 'Developing Youth Footballers'm, which cost me $25 on Fishpond (and I'm not even paid to say that). He also has a book called 'Developing Game Intelligence'. 

I won't be wasting my time at any more NZF courses.

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Trialist
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NZF's Level 1 and 2 youth and junior courses were a complete waste of my time.

They still won't tell you how to plan and deliver a proper session. There is still no mention of what the playing philosophy they refer to in the WOFP is, and with no player profile, what exactly are we supposed to be coaching towards?

Have to agree although I wouldn't say they were a complete waste of time.  I know many starting coaches who have no idea of what to do, and these courses are invaluable for them.  As you progress with your coaching, the L1 and 2 become less relevant as, I believe, they are more focused on 'how to coach' rather than 'what to coach'.

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