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happydays wrote:

The other infuriating thing for me with Morgan is that he has turned into a classic opposition MP. He says a lot of words without saying anything other than "the guys in charge are crap and I can do it better." There is nothing in this latest article that we don't know, ie NZF needs change and is poorly run.


He's clearly saying a lot more than that, did you even read the article? NZF needs change and is poorly run because of the amateur governance structure, too many old boys that have played the sport before at a high level are just presumed to be good at sports management regardless of prior experience or business credentials. Additionally, NZF needs to be far more closely aligned with the Phoenix and any future NZ teams that play in professional leagues. While a lot of this is obvious, you still have people shooting down Gareth because (in their opinion) he knows nothing about football, which is just as ridiculous as assuming that just because someone was a good player of the sport, they are able to administer a national sporting body or become a good coach.
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I'd love to be a 'fly on the wall' when Gareth sits down with the new CEO. Gareth may be a bit of a loose cannon sometimes, but he's passionate about what he believes and is always willing to debate his critics. How may football administrators in this country will do that?

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Can you imagine the stink up and down the country if the Phoenix became closely aligned to NZ football,you can only imagine the shit that would be kicked up.So if the A league did expand with another NZ team im guessing they would also have this close association with NZ football.Yes NZ football needs to do things better,but sadly until the so called right people put their hands up how are they meant to do it.Everyone can relate or recount  to the "scratch my back" stories in football.You wont convince me that having your national association aligned to a proffesional club is a good thing.

Whats also ridiculous is that people also assume that because he has been successful in business this will mean it will also work in football.


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Gareth wants to turn us into a consistent top 50 team in the world? Didn't know he's become a magician overnight.

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The thing with Gaz I reckon, is that at the heart of his outbursts, or the aim of them, there is a kernel of truth or an undoubted issue that needs to be addressed.

His MO is to bag all and sundry sometimes with justification, often with some shonky assumptions and hope that a response is elicited from aggrieved/accused parties.

I think this approach only works when you are in a position of power (or wealth).  The rest of us have to adopt more negotiated approaches.  Gaz wouldn't be in the diplomatic corps for example.



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Agree.  Some on this forum may not like the way he operates, but he gets results.


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ballane wrote:

Can you imagine the stink up and down the country if the Phoenix became closely aligned to NZ football,you can only imagine the shit that would be kicked up.So if the A league did expand with another NZ team im guessing they would also have this close association with NZ football.Yes NZ football needs to do things better,but sadly until the so called right people put their hands up how are they meant to do it.Everyone can relate or recount  to the "scratch my back" stories in football.You wont convince me that having your national association aligned to a proffesional club is a good thing.

Whats also ridiculous is that people also assume that because he has been successful in business this will mean it will also work in football.


I'm struggling to understand how aligning the national football association with NZ footballs only professional pathway is a bad thing? Maybe you can enlighten me. Sure there'll be a bit of shit kicked up, but that shit will most likely come from exactly the same people that are causing the current issues.

So what if Gareth knows nothing about football, he certainly seems to know how to stimulate change; you can't have any effect on an imbedded culture by lightly stepping around the sides.

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But at the same token you don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water.


Unless of course you don't like babies.


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djtim3000 wrote:
ballane wrote:

Can you imagine the stink up and down the country if the Phoenix became closely aligned to NZ football,you can only imagine the shit that would be kicked up.So if the A league did expand with another NZ team im guessing they would also have this close association with NZ football.Yes NZ football needs to do things better,but sadly until the so called right people put their hands up how are they meant to do it.Everyone can relate or recount  to the "scratch my back" stories in football.You wont convince me that having your national association aligned to a proffesional club is a good thing.

Whats also ridiculous is that people also assume that because he has been successful in business this will mean it will also work in football.


I'm struggling to understand how aligning the national football association with NZ footballs only professional pathway is a bad thing? Maybe you can enlighten me. Sure there'll be a bit of shit kicked up, but that shit will most likely come from exactly the same people that are causing the current issues.

So what if Gareth knows nothing about football, he certainly seems to know how to stimulate change; you can't have any effect on an imbedded culture by lightly stepping around the sides.

I guess you could see Gareth as aspiring to be the Frank Lowy of football here - notice I say "aspiring" as there are major differences such as Lowy's long association with football in Australia (Gareth being a late-comer), his prominent position in Australian football since becoming Chairman of the FFA in 2003 and his much greater wealth (fluctuates yearly between being the wealthiest or second wealthiest Australian; Jerusalem Post has him as "one of the 50 wealthiest Jews in the world", thought to be worth about 6.9 billion AU dollars).


Lowy first launched a bid to transform football in Australia decades ago but was rebuffed until being appointed Chair of the FFA in 2003 when his ideas and money were finally accepted as being key.

I get the impression Lowy has a much more acute understanding of football gained over several decades than Gareth does.

Lowy was president and prime financial backer of the old NSL's then most successful club, Sydney City Hakoah 1977-88 (a Jewish community club) - Frank Lowy said at the time and in his biography that he was frustrated because the Australian Soccer Federation and NSL leaders did not share his vision for the game. He had stood for the presidency of the ASF against Sir Arthur George and lost, and he withdrew from both football and the presidency of Hakoah at the end of 1988:

http://www.theroar.com.au/2012/03/05/the-day-that-frank-lowy-took-his-ball-and-went-home/


Other differences: I get the impression Soccer Australia's woes were actually worse than ours - even more incompetent management (once had the phones cut off at head office in the 1990's after failing to pay the bill)

- major problem with ethnic basis of most major clubs leading to non-cooperation in running competitions, fan conflict etc.

- strong state federations hindering the national growth of the sport- sometimes opposed to a national league, self-interested etc.

It took a government inquiry into the shambles of football administration (The Crawford Inquiry 2002) and Prime Minister John Howard's intervention to form a new, more competent national body, the FFA with Frank Lowy as chairman. This reflects the greater public and government concern for football in Australia by 2002 as a matter of national prestige.


A fascinating blog by Soccer Australia's former Marketing Manager Jim Shomos on the shambles that was football in Oz and how Lowy saved it:

http://www.jimshomos.com/?p=151

"I was Marketing Manager at Soccer Australia (now FFA) in 1996/97. I could write a book about the internal cancer but it would be too depressing to write, let alone read. However, we do need to remember where we came from to appreciate and respect how much has been achieved in the last nine years.

One example sums up the incompetence of leadership of the NSL days. One morning at Soccer Australia office we had the phones cut off. A National Sporting body responsible for a high-profile National League and five National teams… couldn't pay its telephone bill… and had the phones cut off. It was a miracle that someone in the media didn't pick up on it. Today it would have been all over Facebook and twitter in minutes. One of the Soccer Australia board members, representing the State Federations, proudly talked about why the NSL had to end and how it was his mission to end it. Yes, this was a board member of Soccer Australia, supposedly representing the Australian grass-roots football community. Three ugly spectator incidents in the 96/97 NSL season were blown up in the media as major riots/acts of violence."


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djtim3000 wrote:
happydays wrote:

The other infuriating thing for me with Morgan is that he has turned into a classic opposition MP. He says a lot of words without saying anything other than "the guys in charge are crap and I can do it better." There is nothing in this latest article that we don't know, ie NZF needs change and is poorly run.


He's clearly saying a lot more than that, did you even read the article? NZF needs change and is poorly run because of the amateur governance structure, too many old boys that have played the sport before at a high level are just presumed to be good at sports management regardless of prior experience or business credentials. Additionally, NZF needs to be far more closely aligned with the Phoenix and any future NZ teams that play in professional leagues. While a lot of this is obvious, you still have people shooting down Gareth because (in their opinion) he knows nothing about football, which is just as ridiculous as assuming that just because someone was a good player of the sport, they are able to administer a national sporting body or become a good coach.

Yes I read the article. There are a lot of words in there but not much substance. I don't have a problem with him offering his opinion, but just because he's Gareth Morgan doesn't mean he can fix it by saying what we have now is broken. We all know massive improvement is needed, and good luck to whoever can get rid of decades of petty politics

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Junior82 wrote:

But at the same token you don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water.


Unless of course you don't like babies.



or baths...
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Junior82 wrote:
The thing with Gaz I reckon, is that at the heart of his outbursts, or the aim of them, there is a kernel of truth or an undoubted issue that needs to be addressed.

His MO is to bag all and sundry sometimes with justification, often with some shonky assumptions and hope that a response is elicited from aggrieved/accused parties.

I think this approach only works when you are in a position of power (or wealth).  The rest of us have to adopt more negotiated approaches.  Gaz wouldn't be in the diplomatic corps for example.

I was thinking the exact same thing when reading this. He has gone in with a blunderbuss in attempt to really spotlight it - whether that is for his benefit or the games benefit, who knows with Gareth. He is definitely trying to solicit a response. Whether that is from the current folk or hoping it catches the eye of the new CEO/next chairman... at the very least, when the MSM or anyone else says 'Why aren't you working with the Phoenix/NZF?', Gareth has a public position that he has tried over and over again (whether that is true or not, who knows) so has the high ground in the battle.

I don't doubt his heart is in the right place. I guess like others, maybe it is time he puts up and tries to get on the board if he is as well meaning as he says. Effect change from within scenario.

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i like what he has to say and it showed the advantages of being an 'outsider' ( or recent arrival) with a business clue.  why not think big?  why accept the limitations?  it's exactly the sort of thinking that we need at the top.

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reg22 wrote:

i like what he has to say and it showed the advantages of being an 'outsider' ( or recent arrival) with a business clue.  why not think big?  why accept the limitations?  it's exactly the sort of thinking that we need at the top.


But is he really coming up with any new or fresh ideas?  Is he really coming up with anything that anyone with half a clue on this forum couldn't think of?

Sure as the owner of the only professional team he might think that the whole organisation should be run along side the Phoenix but in the end he's just another interested party with his own conflicts of interest.  You could just as easily make a valid argument that the Phoenix are a separate enterprise, should be run separately because they have different goals and different desired outcomes. 
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james dean wrote:
reg22 wrote:

i like what he has to say and it showed the advantages of being an 'outsider' ( or recent arrival) with a business clue.  why not think big?  why accept the limitations?  it's exactly the sort of thinking that we need at the top.


But is he really coming up with any new or fresh ideas?  Is he really coming up with anything that anyone with half a clue on this forum couldn't think of?


Sure as the owner of the only professional team he might think that the whole organisation should be run along side the Phoenix but in the end he's just another interested party with his own conflicts of interest.  You could just as easily make a valid argument that the Phoenix are a separate enterprise, should be run separately because they have different goals and different desired outcomes. 

 

The same could have been said (and was) about Frank Lowy JD. And he transformed the game in Australia when he took it over.

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Smithy wrote:
james dean wrote:
reg22 wrote:

i like what he has to say and it showed the advantages of being an 'outsider' ( or recent arrival) with a business clue.  why not think big?  why accept the limitations?  it's exactly the sort of thinking that we need at the top.


But is he really coming up with any new or fresh ideas?  Is he really coming up with anything that anyone with half a clue on this forum couldn't think of?


Sure as the owner of the only professional team he might think that the whole organisation should be run along side the Phoenix but in the end he's just another interested party with his own conflicts of interest.  You could just as easily make a valid argument that the Phoenix are a separate enterprise, should be run separately because they have different goals and different desired outcomes. 

 


The same could have been said (and was) about Frank Lowy JD. And he transformed the game in Australia when he took it over.



Absolutely, but hard to judge Gareth on his plan to turn things around until he comes up with something a bit more specific than "get rid of this lot, they're useless".  I absolutely agree that there are problems with both the governance model, and some of the strategic decisions that NZF have made and continue to make.  But I'm not exactly keen to hand the keys over to Gareth, which some people seem ready to do, just because he is fairly wealthy when I'm not actually sure what his suggestion for improvement is.  
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james dean wrote:
Smithy wrote:
james dean wrote:
reg22 wrote:

i like what he has to say and it showed the advantages of being an 'outsider' ( or recent arrival) with a business clue.  why not think big?  why accept the limitations?  it's exactly the sort of thinking that we need at the top.


But is he really coming up with any new or fresh ideas?  Is he really coming up with anything that anyone with half a clue on this forum couldn't think of?


Sure as the owner of the only professional team he might think that the whole organisation should be run along side the Phoenix but in the end he's just another interested party with his own conflicts of interest.  You could just as easily make a valid argument that the Phoenix are a separate enterprise, should be run separately because they have different goals and different desired outcomes. 

 


The same could have been said (and was) about Frank Lowy JD. And he transformed the game in Australia when he took it over.



Absolutely, but hard to judge Gareth on his plan to turn things around until he comes up with something a bit more specific than "get rid of this lot, they're useless".  I absolutely agree that there are problems with both the governance model, and some of the strategic decisions that NZF have made and continue to make.  But I'm not exactly keen to hand the keys over to Gareth, which some people seem ready to do, just because he is fairly wealthy when I'm not actually sure what his suggestion for improvement is.  



it was just a one page article,so it's hard to say exactly what his plans are or even if he was serious

at the moment he's our best hope of doing a lowy
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reg22 wrote:
james dean wrote:
Smithy wrote:
james dean wrote:
reg22 wrote:

i like what he has to say and it showed the advantages of being an 'outsider' ( or recent arrival) with a business clue.  why not think big?  why accept the limitations?  it's exactly the sort of thinking that we need at the top.


But is he really coming up with any new or fresh ideas?  Is he really coming up with anything that anyone with half a clue on this forum couldn't think of?


Sure as the owner of the only professional team he might think that the whole organisation should be run along side the Phoenix but in the end he's just another interested party with his own conflicts of interest.  You could just as easily make a valid argument that the Phoenix are a separate enterprise, should be run separately because they have different goals and different desired outcomes. 

 


The same could have been said (and was) about Frank Lowy JD. And he transformed the game in Australia when he took it over.



Absolutely, but hard to judge Gareth on his plan to turn things around until he comes up with something a bit more specific than "get rid of this lot, they're useless".  I absolutely agree that there are problems with both the governance model, and some of the strategic decisions that NZF have made and continue to make.  But I'm not exactly keen to hand the keys over to Gareth, which some people seem ready to do, just because he is fairly wealthy when I'm not actually sure what his suggestion for improvement is.  



it was just a one page article,so it's hard to say exactly what his plans are or even if he was serious

at the moment he's our best hope of doing a lowy

Hmm maybe, does anyone know what he's worth by the way?
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Assuming that Gareth's main beef is the lack of connection between the Phoenix and NZF, it's an interesting question to what extent football in NZ would be better served by closer alignment between the two organisations - I'm genuinely quite torn.


On the one hand, I can see definite merit in a NZF/Phoenix side that played in the A-League youth league with only kiwi players.  Obviously it makes no sense for the Phoenix and NZF to effectively be "competing" for the same players (which is the main problem with the Wanderers concept in my opinion).


On the other hand, the Phoenix have no history or in fact expertise in youth development.  The "finishing school/school of excellence" was flawed from the start.  They've made a lot of noise about this academy, and signed some younger players, but really there hasn't been a lot of progress in developing their own.  We just pick up players developed elsewhere.  So are the Phoenix actually the best place for our young kids?  Maybe NZF are right to want to keep control of players via the Wanderers SC etc.  


Until there is someone employed fulltime at the Phoenix (with proper youth development credentials) to look after young players, and there is an actual pathway for young players through the club to the first team, isn't it a bit early to be asking for involvement in running NZF?  


In the end if we are going to be a top 50 side then we would need to draw the majority of our players from leagues overseas, i.e. not at the Phoenix anyway.


One final point, if Gareth wants to buy his way into NZF administration (which let's be honest is what he's already tried to do with his $5mn offer) I hope the number is sufficiently high!!  

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james dean wrote:

Assuming that Gareth's main beef is the lack of connection between the Phoenix and NZF, it's an interesting question to what extent football in NZ would be better served by closer alignment between the two organisations - I'm genuinely quite torn.

 

From my discussion with him, that's an incorrect assumption. He just thinks the whole place is f*cked at the minute and that it needs a tune up. It's that simple.
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Hes not wrong , even with some deadwood gone I think the rots still in there ...be interesting to hear from various board members ..." What plans / dreams do they have ? "


Or are they just time serving rubber-stamps for some one else's vision ?

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I'm totally cool with talking about how NZF and the Phoenix could be better aligned, and how NZF can do a much better job with the All Whites etc etc. In fact, I welcome the amount of airtime these important issues are currently getting.

But one of the very first questions Gareth (or anybody else) should have to answer before getting anywhere near the Board is "what is your plan for grassroots football and delivering to the 100k+ NZF members who play, coach, ref, administrate and watch football for basically social and health & wellbeing reasons?". It's an important question because that is still NZF's main fucking job and those people are NZF's biggest and most important group of stakeholders.

Although it may not always seem like it it's those 100k+ people who actually "own" the game and elect representatives to the District Federation and NZF Boards to make decisions on their behalf. Which in turn makes this idea that the NZF Board needs to be "more professional" an interesting one. Yes, of course you want the most qualified and capable people on the Board but the game in NZ is still largely an amateur one and needs to be governed by people who understand that and place importance on it. Articulating the problem as Gareth did ("I can't stand amateur committees and I would describe NZF as amateur in the extreme") shows a real lack of understanding of NZF's core purpose.

The issue is how you best balance the demands of the amateur/grass-roots and professional/high-performance parts of the game, which is something that pretty much all national sporting organisations struggle with. But coming at the problem from purely one of those directions, or on the assumption that one is inherently more important than the other, simply won't work.

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So anyway, a timely and easy place to start would seem to be to get a member of Welnix onto the NZF Board (setting aside for the moment any grander plans of Gareth's to do a Lowy). Being one Board member out of seven would seem to be about the right level of representation to me, in the grand scheme of things.

How to achieve this?

a) a Welnix member gets nominated for FvH's elected seat at the May congress. Federation reps would then vote on their preferred nominee. As far as I know anyone can be nominated, and can do the nominating (although one or both may need to be an NZF member, which is easily achieved - join a club). A potential downside of this could be that it is viewed by "the grass-roots" as a waste of one of their precious 3 elected seats on the Board.

b) a Welnix member applies for the next appointed Board seat that comes up. There's not going to be many more qualified applicants right?

c) a Welnix member can be co-opted at any point in time by the Board (although they would not then have any voting rights on the Board).

Thoughts?

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My personal view is that the national and regional bodies should do very little for the "100k+ NZF members who play, coach, ref, administrate and watch football for basically social and health & wellbeing reasons" except provide them an avenue to play/participate in. Their focus should be on youth development [including coaches] and elite football - such as the academies, regional and national leagues, age group national teams etc. Once a person leaves that 'elite' stream, they don't receive too great a level of funding/support. Might sound a bit radical but you don't need a massive organisational machine to organise a group of people having a kick around for fun. You need to use the money and people resources to support the people that are serious about the game and to provide a well developed product to attract players, coaches, administrators and fans. [Awaits massive amounts of vitriol]

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terminator_x wrote:

So anyway, a timely and easy place to start would seem to be to get a member of Welnix onto the NZF Board (setting aside for the moment any grander plans of Gareth's to do a Lowy). Being one Board member out of seven would seem to be about the right level of representation to me, in the grand scheme of things.

How to achieve this?

a) a Welnix member gets nominated for FvH's elected seat at the May congress. Federation reps would then vote on their preferred nominee. As far as I know anyone can be nominated, and can do the nominating (although one or both may need to be an NZF member, which is easily achieved - join a club). A potential downside of this could be that it is viewed by "the grass-roots" as a waste of one of their precious 3 elected seats on the Board.

b) a Welnix member applies for the next appointed Board seat that comes up. There's not going to be many more qualified applicants right?

c) a Welnix member can be co-opted at any point in time by the Board (although they would not then have any voting rights on the Board).

Thoughts?


The appointment process for NZF board members is a very boring topic for discussion

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Smithy wrote:
james dean wrote:

Assuming that Gareth's main beef is the lack of connection between the Phoenix and NZF, it's an interesting question to what extent football in NZ would be better served by closer alignment between the two organisations - I'm genuinely quite torn.

 


From my discussion with him, that's an incorrect assumption. He just thinks the whole place is f*cked at the minute and that it needs a tune up. It's that simple.


Ok but I'm not sure how he is placed better than anyone else involved in football to diagnose the problems then (of which there are many, and of which there are many people who also share that view).  I don't really see why he has become the mouthpiece for reforming NZF - other than if he's prepared to write a big cheque.  Just being able to call up a reporter and get himself in the paper what role does he really have in the game?


He probably does have some good ideas, but so do a lot of people - you and me included - but I don't just go out demanding a meeting with NZF and telling them how they should reform themselves.  Who does Gareth actually represent here?  Owners of professional clubs in NZ?  Phoenix fans?  Loudmouths everywhere?

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james dean wrote:
Smithy wrote:
james dean wrote:

Assuming that Gareth's main beef is the lack of connection between the Phoenix and NZF, it's an interesting question to what extent football in NZ would be better served by closer alignment between the two organisations - I'm genuinely quite torn.

 


From my discussion with him, that's an incorrect assumption. He just thinks the whole place is f*cked at the minute and that it needs a tune up. It's that simple.


Ok but I'm not sure how he is placed better than anyone else involved in football to diagnose the problems then (of which there are many, and of which there are many people who also share that view).  I don't really see why he has become the mouthpiece for reforming NZF - other than if he's prepared to write a big cheque.  Just being able to call up a reporter and get himself in the paper what role does he really have in the game?


He probably does have some good ideas, but so do a lot of people - you and me included - but I don't just go out demanding a meeting with NZF and telling them how they should reform themselves.  Who does Gareth actually represent here?  Owners of professional clubs in NZ?  Phoenix fans?  Loudmouths everywhere?



he may feel that he is in a position to make a difference, whereas the average joe is not
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james dean wrote:

The appointment process for NZF board members is a very boring topic for discussion


...says the man who starts a thread called Effecting Change at NZF

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But necessary , if you dont believe in Santa Claus

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james dean wrote:
Smithy wrote:
james dean wrote:

Assuming that Gareth's main beef is the lack of connection between the Phoenix and NZF, it's an interesting question to what extent football in NZ would be better served by closer alignment between the two organisations - I'm genuinely quite torn.

 


From my discussion with him, that's an incorrect assumption. He just thinks the whole place is f*cked at the minute and that it needs a tune up. It's that simple.


Ok but I'm not sure how he is placed better than anyone else involved in football to diagnose the problems then (of which there are many, and of which there are many people who also share that view).  I don't really see why he has become the mouthpiece for reforming NZF - other than if he's prepared to write a big cheque.  Just being able to call up a reporter and get himself in the paper what role does he really have in the game?


He probably does have some good ideas, but so do a lot of people - you and me included - but I don't just go out demanding a meeting with NZF and telling them how they should reform themselves.  Who does Gareth actually represent here?  Owners of professional clubs in NZ?  Phoenix fans?  Loudmouths everywhere?

 

Since when did having a mandate equate to the ability to be heard? Who does Kim Dotcom represent? Who does Lorde represent?

Gareth has an audience, and he's using it to call for reform of NZF. He's also using it to call for reform of cats. 

So that's one question.

As for what role he has in the game, he's probably one of the three biggest personal financial contributors to football in New Zealand. Sure that's his choice, but it certainly gives him skin in the game.

You and I might have some good ideas (not sure about me) but we don't have direct dealings with NZF on a day to day basis. The Phoenix do, so requiring a meeting with them isn't too outrageous either.

Overall what I'm driving at is this: if anyone is going to call for reform of the game's national governance, Gareth is probably one of the best placed to be the guy calling.

I actually respect him for not bandying about his vision or his solutions. I think he knows he doesn't know enough to give solutions. All he's saying is "let's do better." I agree with him.
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So simplifying my earlier question: do we think that having a member of Welnix (Gareth or somebody else) on the NZF Board is a good idea or not?


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terminator_x wrote:

So simplifying my earlier question: do we think that having a member of Welnix (Gareth or somebody else) on the NZF Board is a good idea or not?



Much more interesting question!

Smithy, I agree with what you're saying to a certain extent.  I don't think Gareth's message is particularly original but maybe it takes someone with a degree of distance to say it and for people to listen.  I do think at some point we need to hear his solutions in order to know whether to take him seriously as a reformer of the game.

I'd probably say that yes, with the board and the game in its current state (pretty listless at an elite level) having someone with the drive of Morrison or Morgan is probably a good idea.  More generally, I'm not sure that a professional club should have a huge degree of influence over the running of what is still an amateur game.  Clearly in our country there should be more cooperation between the two but not sure you need to have someone on the board to do that.

I'm also not 100% that Welnix's grand plan for the Phoenix is ultimately going to be successful and I'm a little cautious about anointing them as the saviours of the sport just yet.  They have made some positive decisions but at the same time they have certainly made what I think are quite a few negative ones as well.  There's still a long way to go on achieving a well run, financially stable club that's ALSO successful on the pitch - I don't think they've squared that particular circle just yet.  
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terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:

The appointment process for NZF board members is a very boring topic for discussion


...says the man who starts a thread called Effecting Change at NZF




that is pure gold!
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terminator_x wrote:

So simplifying my earlier question: do we think that having a member of Welnix (Gareth or somebody else) on the NZF Board is a good idea or not?




if we had a league full of pro clubs, then i'd say no and that the league should have representation.  but since we only have the one, then i think this is absolutely necessary.
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reg22 wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:

The appointment process for NZF board members is a very boring topic for discussion


...says the man who starts a thread called Effecting Change at NZF




that is pure gold!

I'm not a details man...
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james dean wrote:
reg22 wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:

The appointment process for NZF board members is a very boring topic for discussion


...says the man who starts a thread called Effecting Change at NZF




that is pure gold!


I'm not a details man...

 

List of things you want to hear from your lawyer:

1. I'm not a details man.

;)

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reg22 wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

So simplifying my earlier question: do we think that having a member of Welnix (Gareth or somebody else) on the NZF Board is a good idea or not?




if we had a league full of pro clubs, then i'd say no and that the league should have representation.  but since we only have the one, then i think this is absolutely necessary.


So do I.

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