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Coaches pick the side and players they like simple really they live and get sacked by the results they get !

A few of those Onehunga Ladies deserved ago at Prem level and most of those are getting that at Ellerslie this year .
Not sure which others you think should have got chosen ?

I’m aware that Milicich didn’t think the players he knew would come to  him at a Div 1 side preseason given they were gone the previous Covid season But should they get promotion then his contacts would kick in for a Premier campaign .
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Birko 7 , North Shore 1 ! And that flattered North Shore who were truly awful. They have big problems to fix before Chatham Cup Quarter final next weekend. Jake Porter got a second yellow about 10 minutes from the final whistle so will miss next week. Horace James got subbed early in the second half as he was likely to get sent off being frustrated by being dominated by his younger opponents. looked like he was going to clock teammate Ramsay at one stage. Don't think that there are many strikers as good as Alex Grieve going around at the moment
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Would he be worth a cheeky look from the Nix? Young, banging in goals for fun, and an obvious talent.

I may be mistaken, but I remember reading somewhere (probably here...) that Grieve was possibly going to get a shot with St Mirren, as a result of the partnership between the clubs. Is there any more news on this? Or indeed any truth in this?

Probably a bit difficult to organize currently due to border restrictions and the such with the world being such a shark show at the moment.

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Would he be worth a cheeky look from the Nix? Young, banging in goals for fun, and an obvious talent.

I may be mistaken, but I remember reading somewhere (probably here...) that Grieve was possibly going to get a shot with St Mirren, as a result of the partnership between the clubs. Is there any more news on this? Or indeed any truth in this?

Probably a bit difficult to organize currently due to border restrictions and the such with the world being such a shark show at the moment.


Yes, Alex Grieve is going to St Mirren, though I’m not sure when
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YoungHeart
Would he be worth a cheeky look from the Nix? Young, banging in goals for fun, and an obvious talent.

I may be mistaken, but I remember reading somewhere (probably here...) that Grieve was possibly going to get a shot with St Mirren, as a result of the partnership between the clubs. Is there any more news on this? Or indeed any truth in this?

Probably a bit difficult to organize currently due to border restrictions and the such with the world being such a shark show at the moment.


Yes, Alex Grieve is going to St Mirren, though I’m not sure when
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Alex is going in November 
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Went back to see if the Northern League Forum was up again, and yes, it's buzzing with rumours that Manukau and Bay Olympic are going to be expelled from the league for under-the-table player payments.

I don't believe it myself because why would NZF want to make an example of them and not ACFC
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Went back to see if the Northern League Forum was up again, and yes, it's buzzing with rumours that Manukau and Bay Olympic are going to be expelled from the league for under-the-table player payments.

I don't believe it myself because why would NZF want to make an example of them and not ACFC

Every team pays players, but I did get told that a guy who joined Manukau from Bay Olympic is on 1200 a week which is crazy money even for Northern League 
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Went back to see if the Northern League Forum was up again, and yes, it's buzzing with rumours that Manukau and Bay Olympic are going to be expelled from the league for under-the-table player payments.

I don't believe it myself because why would NZF want to make an example of them and not ACFC

Every team pays players, but I did get told that a guy who joined Manukau from Bay Olympic is on 1200 a week which is crazy money even for Northern League 

every team in NL or every team in NRFL?  just curious.

Also I don't know why the defence is well everyone else is doing it - surely there are people who can afford to do it and those that can't - putting aside the moral issue of doing it.
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Went back to see if the Northern League Forum was up again, and yes, it's buzzing with rumours that Manukau and Bay Olympic are going to be expelled from the league for under-the-table player payments.

I don't believe it myself because why would NZF want to make an example of them and not ACFC

Every team pays players, but I did get told that a guy who joined Manukau from Bay Olympic is on 1200 a week which is crazy money even for Northern League 

every team in NL or every team in NRFL?  just curious.

Also I don't know why the defence is well everyone else is doing it - surely there are people who can afford to do it and those that can't - putting aside the moral issue of doing it.

I don’t know about the lower divisions, it was slight hyperbole, but I imagine teams almost get coerced into paying, ie players will play regardless so if they’re indifferent about clubs they’ll go to the one paying them $500 over the one paying nothing, so to stay competitive you get caught up in paying players. I know last year Forrest Hill made a point about not paying players, and that’ll lose mercenaries but keep the proper club guys, but Northern Rovers this season are paying players. 

The cost of getting a competitive Northern League team is a big worry though. Takapuna and Albany are both already sweating on a potential promotion for next season. The bulk of Albany’s team, guys like the Beguelys, Campbell, Webb etc, don’t want to play NL, as they’re either too old or don’t reckon they’re good enough, so will probably leave if they go up, meaning Albany will have to recruit a whole new squad, including the U20s. Takapuna will similarly have to bulk their squad significantly, a lot of guys will be available from NR and WCR should they go down, but the cost will be there. Waiheke are also of course in the mix, and apparently plan on going up, telling NZF to stick their squad rules, and playing games without caring if they get forfeited afterwards, but I’ve been told it’s unlikely NRF/NZF will let them do that, so they’d either forfeit the spot or spend even more to fix their squad.
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I assume North Shore aren't paying any of their players, given that they have opened a give a little page to raise funds to travel to Wellington for their Chatham Cup semi final
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I assume North Shore aren't paying any of their players, given that they have opened a give a little page to raise funds to travel to Wellington for their Chatham Cup semi final

I appreciate the trolling in this post.
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Decent match on tonight, glad I tuned it from word go with the goal within 20 seconds! Springs been a tad unlucky so far (1-0 at HT), Bay Olympic not offered a lot since going ahead in all honesty.
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The numbers thrown around here are pretty funny.

But yes, many players are paid as coaches. I believe that's how the likes of Malcolm walk around with a gaggle of players paying them through his coaching agency.

However, my understanding is that these players, as with the ones at ACFC, do actually do the time. I know there's been some sums thrown here around particular ACFC players who I know are essentially full time coaches and are doing the hours.

One of the bonuses of the national league is that the NZF can now audit everyone. This was known by most clubs at the start of the league.
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Decent match on tonight, glad I tuned it from word go with the goal within 20 seconds! Springs been a tad unlucky so far (1-0 at HT), Bay Olympic not offered a lot since going ahead in all honesty.
 Goal can be watched from kickoff
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/126036524/all-whites-player-suspended-for-using-homophobic-slur-in-chatham-cup-game

Wondered why he got red in the game and now this, not good.




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Fudge I was hoping this wasn’t true. Great response by the club and NZ football, credit to them. Don’t understand how that kind of language can just slip out though
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Went to Birko v ACFC game. Good game ; 4-3 to Birko and thoroughly deserved as AC's second goal appeared to have gone out of play and their 3rd was in the last minute of stoppage time.
AC didn't cope with Birko getting in their face and the energy the young guys showed.
Admittedly AC were missing Bevan (suspended ) and Kaltak (injured or did i read somewhere that he was heading offshore ?)Pretty toothless upfront - Manickum is a difficult proposition with his futsal tricks but Kilkolly is not up to it. Badly miss Tade.
Grieve and Issa gave Brotherton and Mitchell a hard time. 
The more i see of Grieve the more impressed i am. Strong , quick , deadly finisher , strong on the ball and works hard. Did limp off near the end and if he gets injured Birko may struggle.
Anyone who thinks Brotherton is a Nix option would change their mind after yesterday. Grieve made him look like a donkey at times - once is the second half he sold him a dummy that Brotherton purchased completely and Grieve disappeared into the sunset.
On that display Birko could be contenders in the National round (assuming they qualify ) and AC will get embarrassed at the CWC .
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Heard so many good things about Grieve, was it him who was going overseas at the end of the season? Can't quite remember, but if not, would love to see Nix sign him up.
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Heard so many good things about Grieve, was it him who was going overseas at the end of the season? Can't quite remember, but if not, would love to see Nix sign him up.

Off to St Mirren, isn't he.
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Enough said
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/126036524/all-whites-player-suspended-for-using-homophobic-slur-in-chatham-cup-game

Wondered why he got red in the game and now this, not good.





One of the great mysterious of modern day sport is that you can literally berate a player, say almost anything you want, you can purposefully assault them, cause career ending injuries etc...

But use a few forbidden slurs and you get 10 weeks?

(This isn't an argument against the punishment, just maybe some others need a rebalancing...)
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It's just as much about how easily something can be proven / defended as it is how "bad" the incident is. 

Violent conduct is subjective - a bit of shoving isn't too bad, maybe a light palm to the face will get you a few weeks, but a clear punch is likely to land you more if it's seen by the officials. A nasty cheap shot might warrant more than 10 games, but again - it has to be seen, or happen to be recorded.

Tackles are tricky; how do you prove intent behind even the most heinous, career-ending challenge? Having a recording helps, and if you've got a bad track record the punishment might be harsher - and again it might be longer than 10 weeks if the stars align.

Discriminatory language is simple - the ref hears it, other players hear it, and there's no sensible defence. The player might try deny it, but these days you're not likely to find teammates or club officials defending an audible homophobic slur - more likely you'll be thrown under the bus.

Ten games with the opportunity to reduce it to four seems appropriate at a time where footballing authorities worldwide are clamping down on discrimination - particularly for players in our top leagues that're inherently ambassadors for their club.
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It's just as much about how easily something can be proven / defended as it is how "bad" the incident is. 

Violent conduct is subjective - a bit of shoving isn't too bad, maybe a light palm to the face will get you a few weeks, but a clear punch is likely to land you more if it's seen by the officials. A nasty cheap shot might warrant more than 10 games, but again - it has to be seen, or happen to be recorded.

Tackles are tricky; how do you prove intent behind even the most heinous, career-ending challenge? Having a recording helps, and if you've got a bad track record the punishment might be harsher - and again it might be longer than 10 weeks if the stars align.

Discriminatory language is simple - the ref hears it, other players hear it, and there's no sensible defence. The player might try deny it, but these days you're not likely to find teammates or club officials defending an audible homophobic slur - more likely you'll be thrown under the bus.

Ten games with the opportunity to reduce it to four seems appropriate at a time where footballing authorities worldwide are clamping down on discrimination - particularly for players in our top leagues that're inherently ambassadors for their club.

pretty much nonsense. There is more he said/she said about verbals than there is for crappy tackles
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Just because you can't make sense of something doesn't make it nonsense. 

You're lumping all "verbals" into one category - we're talking about homophobia here, hence the word "discriminatory". 

He said / she said becomes less applicable the more recordings we have, and goes out the window if the ref and players from both teams admit to hearing it.
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Heard so many good things about Grieve, was it him who was going overseas at the end of the season? Can't quite remember, but if not, would love to see Nix sign him up.

Off to St Mirren, isn't he.

Will be good to see how he goes over there. Seems to be one of brightest talents and most lethal finishers on the domestic scene at the moment. Hopefully he can make the step up and snag a contract over in Scotland.

From my understanding it's more of a trial initially and then there is the potential for him to sign a contract. Could someone more in the know shed any more light on this please.
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Boris
It's just as much about how easily something can be proven / defended as it is how "bad" the incident is. 

Violent conduct is subjective - a bit of shoving isn't too bad, maybe a light palm to the face will get you a few weeks, but a clear punch is likely to land you more if it's seen by the officials. A nasty cheap shot might warrant more than 10 games, but again - it has to be seen, or happen to be recorded.

Tackles are tricky; how do you prove intent behind even the most heinous, career-ending challenge? Having a recording helps, and if you've got a bad track record the punishment might be harsher - and again it might be longer than 10 weeks if the stars align.

Discriminatory language is simple - the ref hears it, other players hear it, and there's no sensible defence. The player might try deny it, but these days you're not likely to find teammates or club officials defending an audible homophobic slur - more likely you'll be thrown under the bus.

Ten games with the opportunity to reduce it to four seems appropriate at a time where footballing authorities worldwide are clamping down on discrimination - particularly for players in our top leagues that're inherently ambassadors for their club.

pretty much nonsense. There is more he said/she said about verbals than there is for crappy tackles

Its not really he said/she said at all in this case though, is it? The slur was heard by plenty of people and Bevan himself has admitted it and accepted culpability.
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Enough said
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/126036524/all-whites-player-suspended-for-using-homophobic-slur-in-chatham-cup-game

Wondered why he got red in the game and now this, not good.





One of the great mysterious of modern day sport is that you can literally berate a player, say almost anything you want, you can purposefully assault them, cause career ending injuries etc...

But use a few forbidden slurs and you get 10 weeks?

(This isn't an argument against the punishment, just maybe some others need a rebalancing...)
100% see your point, for me the difference with racist/homophobic slurs is that is genuinely can be stamped out and so the game has a responsibility to do so by handing out tough punishments. Eventually players just won't use them.

And as for what you've described above... honestly, a lot of those carry pretty decent bans as well if proven (headbutts, punches, etc.). Really horrible challenges will cop a multiple game ban.
 
I guess berating and taunting opposition players goes up to the point where it's considered too far, which again is an arbitrary point nobody really knows. You don't wanna eliminate it completely to the point of oversanitizing the game, but also you don't wanna allow certain types of abuse...
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It's just as much about how easily something can be proven / defended as it is how "bad" the incident is. 

Violent conduct is subjective - a bit of shoving isn't too bad, maybe a light palm to the face will get you a few weeks, but a clear punch is likely to land you more if it's seen by the officials. A nasty cheap shot might warrant more than 10 games, but again - it has to be seen, or happen to be recorded.

Tackles are tricky; how do you prove intent behind even the most heinous, career-ending challenge? Having a recording helps, and if you've got a bad track record the punishment might be harsher - and again it might be longer than 10 weeks if the stars align.

Discriminatory language is simple - the ref hears it, other players hear it, and there's no sensible defence. The player might try deny it, but these days you're not likely to find teammates or club officials defending an audible homophobic slur - more likely you'll be thrown under the bus.

Ten games with the opportunity to reduce it to four seems appropriate at a time where footballing authorities worldwide are clamping down on discrimination - particularly for players in our top leagues that're inherently ambassadors for their club.

pretty much nonsense. There is more he said/she said about verbals than there is for crappy tackles

Its not really he said/she said at all in this case though, is it? The slur was heard by plenty of people and Bevan himself has admitted it and accepted culpability.

this had moved to a general comment about different punishments. To say that when a player says something and the ref hears it is black and white is at odds the amount of objections and tribunals that happen. I'm sure you have experience yourself!
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Boris
It's just as much about how easily something can be proven / defended as it is how "bad" the incident is. 

Violent conduct is subjective - a bit of shoving isn't too bad, maybe a light palm to the face will get you a few weeks, but a clear punch is likely to land you more if it's seen by the officials. A nasty cheap shot might warrant more than 10 games, but again - it has to be seen, or happen to be recorded.

Tackles are tricky; how do you prove intent behind even the most heinous, career-ending challenge? Having a recording helps, and if you've got a bad track record the punishment might be harsher - and again it might be longer than 10 weeks if the stars align.

Discriminatory language is simple - the ref hears it, other players hear it, and there's no sensible defence. The player might try deny it, but these days you're not likely to find teammates or club officials defending an audible homophobic slur - more likely you'll be thrown under the bus.

Ten games with the opportunity to reduce it to four seems appropriate at a time where footballing authorities worldwide are clamping down on discrimination - particularly for players in our top leagues that're inherently ambassadors for their club.

pretty much nonsense. There is more he said/she said about verbals than there is for crappy tackles

Its not really he said/she said at all in this case though, is it? The slur was heard by plenty of people and Bevan himself has admitted it and accepted culpability.

this had moved to a general comment about different punishments. To say that when a player says something and the ref hears it is black and white is at odds the amount of objections and tribunals that happen. I'm sure you have experience yourself!

We're specifically talking about homophobic slurs here though - your transition away from that into a general comment was... unclear at best. While I'm not gonna say I've never used a slur on the pitch in my entire life - I was a stupid teenage boy at one point or another - I certainly haven't in the last decade and never at the kind of level where me doing so would be newsworthy - get back to me after I play for the All Whites though!
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ok mate. Boris replying to Legend about imbalances of punishment between tackles vs verbals was the starting point, which is quite an interesting point. Not a reference to the Cup case. And my reference to you was shouting on the sideline :)
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ok mate. Boris replying to Legend about imbalances of punishment between tackles vs verbals was the starting point, which is quite an interesting point. Not a reference to the Cup case. And my reference to you was shouting on the sideline :)
Haha I was referring to the cup case, but probably should've made that clearer / not gone on such a tangent...

I think lthomas20 summed it up pretty well.
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ok mate. Boris replying to Legend about imbalances of punishment between tackles vs verbals was the starting point, which is quite an interesting point. Not a reference to the Cup case. And my reference to you was shouting on the sideline :)
It was clear to me that Boris was referring to the Bevan case - hence why your change of topic wasn't picked up on.

Not sure what me being a shouty coach has to do with that situation - its something I realise isn't good, and that I have put significant work into addressing - I've also never come close to crossing the line that we're discussing here. Also not sure what bringing personal things into this discussion achieves, but all power to you, hope it makes you feel good.
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Heard so many good things about Grieve, was it him who was going overseas at the end of the season? Can't quite remember, but if not, would love to see Nix sign him up.

Off to St Mirren, isn't he.

Will be good to see how he goes over there. Seems to be one of brightest talents and most lethal finishers on the domestic scene at the moment. Hopefully he can make the step up and snag a contract over in Scotland.

From my understanding it's more of a trial initially and then there is the potential for him to sign a contract. Could someone more in the know shed any more light on this please.
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Alex has signed a pro contract with St Mirren. 1 year with a 1 yr option
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ok mate. Boris replying to Legend about imbalances of punishment between tackles vs verbals was the starting point, which is quite an interesting point. Not a reference to the Cup case. And my reference to you was shouting on the sideline :)
It was clear to me that Boris was referring to the Bevan case - hence why your change of topic wasn't picked up on.

Not sure what me being a shouty coach has to do with that situation - its something I realise isn't good, and that I have put significant work into addressing - I've also never come close to crossing the line that we're discussing here. Also not sure what bringing personal things into this discussion achieves, but all power to you, hope it makes you feel good.

ok so to be clear, B's point regarding the comment (which 100% looks like a general comment but we will move on from that but take it as such):
'Discriminatory language is simple - the ref hears it, other players hear it, and there's no sensible defence. The player might try deny it, but these days you're not likely to find teammates or club officials defending an audible homophobic slur - more likely you'll be thrown under the bus.'
In my decent experience there is often nothing simple about all types of verbal misconduct (including discrimination) in local footy. Disagreement between parties about what was said, how it was said, to whom. People telling porkies including refs. At times it is the opposite of simple. So I was just stating that it is not always as clear cut as this appears to have panned out. much love
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Went to Birko v ACFC game. Good game ; 4-3 to Birko and thoroughly deserved as AC's second goal appeared to have gone out of play and their 3rd was in the last minute of stoppage time.
AC didn't cope with Birko getting in their face and the energy the young guys showed.
Admittedly AC were missing Bevan (suspended ) and Kaltak (injured or did i read somewhere that he was heading offshore ?)Pretty toothless upfront - Manickum is a difficult proposition with his futsal tricks but Kilkolly is not up to it. Badly miss Tade.
Grieve and Issa gave Brotherton and Mitchell a hard time. 
The more i see of Grieve the more impressed i am. Strong , quick , deadly finisher , strong on the ball and works hard. Did limp off near the end and if he gets injured Birko may struggle.
Anyone who thinks Brotherton is a Nix option would change their mind after yesterday. Grieve made him look like a donkey at times - once is the second half he sold him a dummy that Brotherton purchased completely and Grieve disappeared into the sunset.
On that display Birko could be contenders in the National round (assuming they qualify ) and AC will get embarrassed at the CWC .
Thats because Brotherton is a cart horse
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Bad news for ACFC's wages bill
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Bad news for ACFC's wages bill
They really do spend a lot of money just to look pretty average.
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With Auckland to remain in level 4 for two more weeks minimum and then a period at level 3, I suspect that the winter league is done.

So I take it the current top four teams will be selected for the national league.
Auckland City
Auckland United
Eastern Suburbs
Birkenhead 

Maybe with the start for the National League mid October if Auckland is at level 2.


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Bad news for ACFC's wages bill
They really do spend a lot of money just to look pretty average.

not sure how winning the league at a canter while barely breaking a sweat constitutes 'average'. love them or hate them, they're immeasurably better than everyone else and they can afford to mess around with squad selection etc. doing it

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