WET WINTER HIGHLIGHTS DIRE GROUND SHORTAG

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WET WINTER HIGHLIGHTS DIRE GROUND SHORTAG
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You may have seen the story in the Dom P in the weekend or the story on the front page of our news - http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/show-news.asp?ID=2120
 
The growth in player numbers here in Welly is brilliant, but as Capital Football point out, it is really stretching our ground capacity, particularly in Wellington City. It will be a real shame if we cant take full advantage of the boom in football interest here as a result. We need more/better grounds. And soon. For those of us who have played for a long time, we all know what a tough job Capital Football has trying to find us somewhere to play on a wet July Saturday. This job is only getting tougher as player numbers keep growing.
 
Capital Football has made a submission to the City Council (which I will attach a link to when if work out how) calling for a range of options to be considered (if someone from CF reads this, you might want to put the submission on your website). It's important we get behind this initiative - unless you want to keep playing the fourth game at Happy Valley each weekend.
 
So, talk about it, and harrass your family and friends at the Council.
 
Personally, in addition to the range of options proposed by CF Id like to see consideration of a "mega-project" - a build project that could potentially to accomodate 10-15 years of player growth. Not sue what that is just yet, but rolling 10-12 fields in Granada or something like that. I'd love to see some feasibility work done - or we may have to be patching things up as best we can every few years.
 
 
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Personally, in addition to the range of options proposed by CF Id like to see consideration of a "mega-project" - a build project that could potentially to accomodate 10-15 years of player growth. Not sue what that is just yet, but rolling 10-12 fields in Granada or something like that. I'd love to see some feasibility work done - or we may have to be patching things up as best we can every few years.


May I suggest they use different parties to those that did Karori Park...

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Hard News wrote:
May I suggest they use different parties to those that did Karori Park...
 
 
Good point though, we do need more pitches to play on!
 

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Hard News wrote:
Personally, in addition to the range of options proposed by CF Id like to see consideration of a "mega-project" - a build project that could potentially to accomodate 10-15 years of player growth. Not sue what that is just yet, but rolling 10-12 fields in Granada or something like that. I'd love to see some feasibility work done - or we may have to be patching things up as best we can every few years.


May I suggest they use different parties to those that did Karori Park...


Maybe the new fields could be "rolled" under your supervision by the Karori Tonners.....

It'd be flat in no time!


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Here's the story as reported by the Dom Post:
 
 
There are really two different issues here, the use of the grounds and the quality of the grounds. There aren't any quick fixes but you can start doing something about both issues...
 
1. Making better use of the grounds we have already got.
 
Clubs and players obviously need to start thinking about being more flexible about when and where they are prepared to play in order to get a game. Would you play on a Sunday for instance? Would you be prepared to play all your games on a Sunday or just a few? How far are you prepared to go in order to play? Wellington City has the most pressure, would players at those clubs be prepared to go out to the Hutt on a regular basis to get a game?
 
Hassle your club about this issue. CF can't do a thing if everytime they ask clubs a question they just get "don't know - haven't thought about it", or even worse they only get one person's opinion (probably because that person is either too busy or too lazy to find out what their club members really think). Clubs need to be proactive about identifying what their members are prepared to do and feeding that back to CF, but you can help by being pro-active with your club too.
 
2. Improving the quality of the grounds
 
A big part of the problem is that even if CF, clubs and players are smarter about using the grounds too many of them are crap and can't take any rain. Whether we stick with grass or go to artificials it's going to take a significant amount of council investment to get any improvement. That won't happen unless they are getting it in the ear regularly. As Marius says hassle the council about it and ask your club to do so as well. They need to really start believing there is a major problem out there and their jobs depend on finding a solution. Call the papers, radio, whatever, just let people know you're pissed off about having another game cancelled or having to play on a sl*gheap.
 
 
 
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if they do build a new field - try not to make it on an old tip site

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Bullion wrote:
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Could be quite a bit of game movement this week folks.

http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/show-news.asp?ID=2120

Keep an eye on the cancellation thread for any details.


I think that is good news, I would way rather travel and extra 30 min than watch and participate in 90mins of mud wrestling.

Should there be some investment in the grounds around Wgtn? Better soils and drainage? I used to love playing on the Strand at school as it is a lot sandier soil than most grounds which seem almost clay like in retaining water. The Hutt River would flood at times, but then would deposit all this good soil and make an even and flat pitch that drained really well. The proximity to the Hutt River would have helped with drainage. Now comparing this with the grounds just over the stop bank at Hutt High and they would be water logged for a day even days after a sustained period of rain and would cut up really easily when it was wet.


Just to add a few more cents. I also have issue with how the grass is cut, especially before the fields end in a bog. A lot of the grounds that double up as cricket fields are far superior than those dedicated purely to football especially early in the season, take Alex Moore 2 vs 1 and the fields of Macalister Park as an example. These cricket fields are pretty hard but are flat and even, the grass is not long allowing for a game based on skill rather than physicality.

If there were enough grounds that didn't clash with cricket I would even suggest switching the football season to the summer to be played in better conditions, both ground and weather conditions. Having better conditions is so important in developing skill.

My opinion on the matter is from a perspective of growing up playing football on the high veld of South Africa until I was 15 when I immigrated with my family to NZ. In the winter it does not rain and the grounds are hard and fast and if irrigated/managed properly produce very good pitches. The only problem is that my slide tackling was, lets say underdeveloped on arriving to NZ.
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1. Making better use of the grounds we have already got.
 
Clubs and players obviously need to start thinking about being more flexible about when and where they are prepared to play in order to get a game. Would you play on a Sunday for instance? Would you be prepared to play all your games on a Sunday or just a few? How far are you prepared to go in order to play? Wellington City has the most pressure, would players at those clubs be prepared to go out to the Hutt on a regular basis to get a game?
 
 
Playing on a Sunday - isn't womens football played on a Sunday? Playing in the Hutt is fine, provided its the ground of the opposition, I'd be rather unhappy seeing Olympic vs Karori being played at Adventure Park for example.

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yeah I heard that, but that was probably due to one or other ground being unusable, it wasn't shceduled there prior to Saturday was it?
If that was a regular occurence I think I'd have a few guys not wanting to show.

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If they hadn't " FLOGGED " the grounds last week on Saturday maybe we wouldn't be in this position.Wakefield Park number 3 will be stuffed for weeks, was mud from goal mouth to goal mouth. No easy solution if the playing numbers keep rising with no new fields being developed. Forcast is not too bad for the rest of this week,
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I know the suggestion may be unpopular with some (rugby players) but I would have thought that some of the rugby pitches around Wellington could possibly be converted to football pitches...

I can't say I have done any in depth research into it, but the rugby pitch beside Tawa's ground was unused all Saturday and wouldn't the wind tunnel, Kilbirnie park, be better used with 2 football pitches...(ok possibly not the best example, but you get the idea).

Just a thought
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this comment is not intended as a piss-take or rugby bashing - just a genuine question
 
are rugby player numbers falling? - and if so shouldn't some of their pitches on council land be converted?
 
if the numbers do support such a response  it's (probably) not a long term solution - so it would be good if we can find a way to get behind Marius's idea re communicating with the council
 
if i skim-read accurately that would be helped by Capital football releasing their submission to the clubs and us so that they/we can publicise it and support the points within it
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great football minds think alike Wulfstream
 
you must have posted as i was doing my two-fingered tap tpa (see) typing act
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theprof wrote:
sizzla wrote:
 
1. Making better use of the grounds we have already got.
 
Clubs and players obviously need to start thinking about being more flexible about when and where they are prepared to play in order to get a game. Would you play on a Sunday for instance? Would you be prepared to play all your games on a Sunday or just a few? How far are you prepared to go in order to play? Wellington City has the most pressure, would players at those clubs be prepared to go out to the Hutt on a regular basis to get a game?
 
 
Playing on a Sunday - isn't womens football played on a Sunday? Playing in the Hutt is fine, provided its the ground of the opposition, I'd be rather unhappy seeing Olympic vs Karori being played at Adventure Park for example.
 
I understand where you're coming from Prof but I think this is exactly the point - we need to much more flexible if we want to keep growing.
 
Why shouldn't men's football be played on a Sunday? There are currently only four women's leagues on Sunday and even with growth that leaves quite a bit of room for expansion of men's leagues. You could either have some men's leagues played entirely on Sundays or introduce some Sunday games for every men's league. Having some women's leagues on Saturdays might also stimulate some growth in the women's game. It wouldn't do much for the grounds of course but that's another issue.
 
And why shouldn't Olympic v Karori be played out in the Hutt? (especially if it's in the more social grades). If it means the difference between getting games and not getting games wouldn't you consider it? People travel from all over to play for their club these days so does it really matter?
 
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tigers wrote:
 
if i skim-read accurately that would be helped by Capital football releasing their submission to the clubs and us so that they/we can publicise it and support the points within it
 
That was done today as I understand it (I think that's how Marius might have got a copy).
 
Ask your club about it. And Marius was going to try and get a copy up here.
 
CF should put it on their website as well though.
 
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There is already a ten team Sunday League that would be impacted as many players play across both days.  Not a biggie from Capital footballs point of view, but it suits some people more than the Saturday leagues.

Also, I'm not sure this is going to help with picthes anyway.  Four games a pitch on Saturday vs 4 games a pitch spread over two days is still going to be excessive use.

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sizzla wrote:
tigers wrote:
 
if i skim-read accurately that would be helped by Capital football releasing their submission to the clubs and us so that they/we can publicise it and support the points within it
 
That was done today as I understand it (I think that's how Marius might have got a copy).
 
Ask your club about it. And Marius was going to try and get a copy up here.
 
CF should put it on their website as well though.
 
 
Yip, CF circulated their submission amongst other things to clubs today. We've suggested they put it on their website.
 
I do have a copy but I dont have the know how to enable people to access it. Feverish said he would try and hook it up and set up a link tonight.
 
In the meantime, the three recommendations in the submission were:
 
1.) redistribute grounds between codes (ie give us more recognising growth and demand)
2.) invest more in drainage and ground maintenance
3.) invest in artificial pitches
 
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Are you talking about the CF press release? I sent you the text Buckle - will go grab it again
 

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Capital Football

Submission to Wellington City Council

Draft Annual Plan 2008/09

Introduction

Capital Football is one of seven Federations affiliated to New Zealand Football. We

administer and develop football (soccer) in the Greater Wellington, Horowhenua-Kapiti

and Wairarapa regions.

Our playing numbers continue to grow significantly and the issue of grounds and

associated facilities is perhaps the biggest single issue facing the game in this region. We

welcome the opportunity to make a submission on Wellington City Council�s (WCC)

Draft Annual Plan as it relates to this issue.

Playing Numbers

We recently copied to WCC details of our playing numbers for this season. Highlights

from those numbers are as follows:

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Junior players are up 2.6%;

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Junior teams are up from 737 to 802 (on the back of both an increase in players

but also a move to smaller-sided teams);

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Juniors top 9,000 registered players (including Nursery Grade numbers);

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Seniors are up 7.1% (evenly, men and women);

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Senior teams are up from 253 to 271;

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This continues a trend that has seen senior teams increase year on year, from 225

in 2004 to 271 in 2008, an increase of over 20% in 4 years;

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We now have approximately 4,000 registered senior players;

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A lot of the growth (in fact all of it for the juniors) is in the Wellington/Western

Zone region

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What is harder to measure is the growing demand for football of some type over the

summer months, but it is increasing. This might be Futsal, 5-a-side, business house,

NZFC (National League), Nationa l Women�s League, Capital Football Academies for

elite players, the Hyundai A-League season, pre-season tournaments, Ethnic

Tournaments (WCC has been a great supporter of these) or Beach Football. Not all of

theses forms of football create demand for traditional football pitches, but many do.

Football as a game has been gaining in popularity in New Zealand for many years but we

have a few extra factors in our favour in the Greater Wellington region.

In particular, the arrival of Wellington Phoenix has been a major boost for the game and

it�s great to see our junior numbers up despite us having significantly increased our junior

affiliation fees this year. The �Phoenix Effect� has probably been more prevalent though

in Senior football, with the extra 15 men�s teams and 3 women�s teams seemingly driven

by a number of mature players returning to the game, or giving it a go for the first time.

As well as the rise of The Phoenix our local NZFC team, Team Wellington, has just

completed its best-ever season making the Final of the competition.

We anticipate these positive influences on our game continuing, with one huge extra

opportunity to grow our game leading into next season. In October/November of this year

New Zealand hosts the inaugural FIFA U-17 Women�s World Cup and Wellington is one

of four host cities. FIFA treats these sorts of tournaments as �legacy events� -

opportunities to grow the game on a sustained basis. We expect a significant surge in

interest in football leading into and after this tournament, particularly in the

girls/women�s game.

Grounds

Running out of grounds to play football on is just about the best problem that we could

have, but it�s still a problem requiring a solution. In fact, we label �grounds� as the

biggest single issue facing football in this region. When we say �grounds� we mean both

the number of grounds and the quality of grounds and associated facilities.

Whilst our playing numbers have been growing, over the last four years especially, our

grounds �stocks� have not. The only �new� grounds that football has picked up in that

time have been those at McAllister Park in 2007, whereby three rugby fields were

converted to two senior and one junior football fields. This reallocation was hugely

beneficial for us, in an area where the �pinch� is most acute i.e. the central city. However,

the benefit has been largely offset by the loss of other grounds. In 2007 we lost Newtown

Park # 2 to renovations for The Phoenix, and # 1 was all but lost as a temporary training

ground for The Phoenix. This year we have the use again of Newtown Park # 1 but we

await the loss of Cobham Drive, at which point we are back to square one.

Add into the mix the loss of all the fields at Karori Park while it was redeveloped, and the

ongoing restrictions there, and there has never been more pressure on our grounds. This

redevelopment will of course have tremendous longer-term benefits for football (and

other activities), but it has put a short-term strain on our game, and that continues.

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Further pressure has been created by the frequent closure or restrictions on grounds such

as Anderson Park and The Velodrome.

As well as the number of grounds available to football we are keenly interested in the

quality of grounds. As our numbers grow we are playing more ga mes per ground, and

regularly using more grounds that in the past would have been considered �back-up�

grounds. The more the standard of our grounds suffers with over-use, the more we

threaten to reduce or reverse the growth that we�re generating � because the quality of the

playing or training experience diminishes, and matches and training sessions are

cancelled. Football is a sport that relies on a reasonable surface to play the game.

We have worked very hard over the close-season with WCC, other Councils and Schools

to establish some �new� junior fields; partly to accommodate growth in playing numbers

but in particular to accommodate a reduction in some team sizes. We are moving towards

a model that provides children more time and space to play, on appropriately-sized fields.

This model, or variations of it, is well established in other footballing nations, and indeed

in parts of New Zealand, The move has created a need for more playing slots. We�ve

managed our way through the changes coming into force this year, but face another

challenge next year as the next age -group changes over.

It�s taken a lot of work and assistance from the likes of WCC to �create� more junior

grounds but we�re using some School fields, reconfiguring some grounds (made possible

by introducing portable goalposts), and squeezing in small pitches where we can.

Although it �s been hard work the task of finding new junior-sized grounds, especially the

smaller ones that we�ve needed this year, has been easy compared to finding senior

grounds.

At the beginning of this season we didn�t think we�d be able to cope with the increase in

senior numbers that were being indicated to us. We asked Clubs if they�d consider

playing on Sundays because the grounds situation was so tight. (That in itself wouldn�t be

a miracle solution because it�s still another match on the same grounds, but it would free

up some time slots if the grounds could handle the extra load.) That was rejected, but we

continue to send the message that we have to be more flexible around our limited grounds

resources. Ultimately we did get every team into a competition and the season is

underway � but we are at maximum capacity. In fact, we did turn away a couple of late

entries whereas in previous years we would have tried to sneak them into a league at the

last minute.

What is Football Doing to Address the Issue?

As a sport we are undertaking the following activities to maximise the use of grounds:

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Working closely with WCC and other Councils to ma nage the week-to-week

pressures, and plan the longer-term;

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Being more collaborative between Clubs and with the Federation to co-ordinate

planning for facilities;

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Capital Football is prompting discussion on being more flexible with our playing

times, days, locations, etc.;

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Moving towards portable goalposts that enable more flexible use of the grounds;

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Sourcing new junior grounds and reconfiguring existing ones;

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Working more closely with Schools to use their grounds (WCC has been helpful

in this regard);

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Traveling a little more to areas in which grounds are under less stress;

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Training away from goalmouths (some of us better than others);

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Playing some junior football across senior pitches, but given the heavy demands

of senior football there is limited ability to do this.

What Other Solutions are There?

More new fields � we acknowledge that space is very limited in Wellington City, and that

with former landfills not being converted into sports fields, there is not a lot of

opportunity to �create� new fields.

Reallocating grounds between codes � we suggest that football�s utilisation rates are now

so high that the rates point to a reallocation being overdue. Perhaps this is more

operational than a Draft Annual Plan deals with but the point is relevant in the context of

this submission.

Greater investment in drainage, irrigation and ongoing maintenance � we think that the

quality of a lot of WCC�s football grounds is insufficient relative to the workloads we

place upon them. We acknowledge that even with greater investment they will still be

grass pitches with limited capacity, and will be subject to winter conditions, but the

quality of the surfaces could be improved with more resource dedicated to this area of the

budget. This is not to take anything away from the Parks and Gardens team which is

doing a good job in our view, within a restricted budget.

Artificial Turfs � we welcome the Council�s intentions to invest in artificial pitches.

Given the limiting geography of Wellington, and the continued growth of our

predominantly winter code, artificial pitches must be part of the solution.

Artificial pitches offer the chance to play football in almost any conditions. The challenge

for our members is to be flexible enough to engage with football outside of traditional

time-slots � this is part of the reason that we�ve been preaching flexibility for the last year

or so. We believe that once people experience the benefits of playing at an almostguaranteed

time, possibly when all other traditional winter sport is cancelled because of

the ground conditions, on a top-quality surface, the demand for time-slots will quickly

out-strip supply. There may some lingering perception that artificial surfaces make the

ball bounce 10m high and produce burns for players sliding on the ground, but

experience will quickly show otherwise. Some FIFA World Cup matches are now held on

artificial surfaces; that�s how good the new technology is.

Nairnville Artificial Pitch

We applaud and welcome the Council�s plan to build an artificial pitch at Nairnville Park.

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Although some people will question investing in a training facility, rather than a fullsized

match facility, we acknowledge WCC�s findings that it is the training hours that

really take a toll on our grounds, more than playing hours.

In terms of location, we think Nairnville is a very good choice. As an example, Onslow

Junior Soccer Club is the biggest Junior Club in our Federation and really only has

Nairnville and local Schools for all its teams to train at. This was unsustainable last year

and we had to virtually close one of two senior pitches at Nairnville for senior play, so

that the junior teams has somewhere to train, and close the other one to junior training so

that we could play senior football on it. Even then both pitches were often closed.

We look forward to the artificial turf quickly proving itself as a quality surface, as it has

done thousands of times over in Europe in particular, and seeing the Council quickly

following up with some full-sized artificial pitches. This will enable us to schedule some

key fixtures with more confidence, get through more matches, and offer a top-quality

playing surface for everyone, but especially our players in elite programmes or teams.

This extends right though to The Phoenix when they cannot train on grass.

Summary

We ask the Council to recognise the special role that football plays in so many

households in the Greater Wellington area, and the growth in the numbers of those who

enjoy the game, both now and in the future. At a time when society is trying to find ways

of keeping people active and healthy football is delivering � in the face of all the other

pastimes competing for people�s time. The game is in good shape to grow but more than

ever that growth is limited by our grounds and associated facilities.

We ask that Wellington City Council continues its good work in moving towards

artificial turfs, but that it increases and accelerates its investment in this regard. Whilst

it�s encouraging to see plans for new pitches extending out to 2017/18 we don�t believe

football can wait that long. Investment in the Wellington City area is needed much

sooner; we�d like to see greater and earlier emphasis on proposed developments such as

Wakefield Park.

We would welcome the opportunity to support this paper with an oral submission.

Please let me know if you require any further information.

Keith Palmer

General Manager

Feverish2008-05-27 20:02:14

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cheers marius, that short version will do me for now
 
i'll put together a sensible email to the council tomorrow -too late in the day for sensible now
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wulfsteam wrote:
I know the suggestion may be unpopular with some (rugby players) but I would have thought that some of the rugby pitches around Wellington could possibly be converted to football pitches...

I can't say I have done any in depth research into it, but the rugby pitch beside Tawa's ground was unused all Saturday and wouldn't the wind tunnel, Kilbirnie park, be better used with 2 football pitches...(ok possibly not the best example, but you get the idea).

Just a thought


To be fair to WCC this has happened in certain cases.  McAlister Park for example used to be all rugby but now sports two full size football pitches.

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Something really has to be done ,last saturday the condition of the ground at Wakefield  4 was ridiculous as were many of the grounds in Wellington,  if Prendergast and her lackeys  can throw massive amounts of cash at the Becks circus  last year ,which  was apparently  for the promotion of the city and the game itself (and nothing to do with pre -council election populism) then surely they can up their investment in this rapidly growing sport.
 We need more pitches and more training areas ,a lot of the damage is done by mid week training and Kids footy ,perhaps some all-weather pitches specifically for training and children's football  would help,theres  nothing more deppressing than trying to coach a bunch of eight year olds  in a swamp ,hardly a great introduction to the beautiful game!
Is the council currently even attempting to identify any new areas for pitches or doing any analysis on what may be needed?
I don't see any point in trying to shuffle and re-shuffle fixtures the fact is that football is growing exponentially  in popularity and more space is needed ,and as far as ratepayers money is concerned then the drainage debacle at Karori should only serve  as a lesson in what not to do!


Kiwi Jambo2008-05-27 20:33:38

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Football isn't growing exponentially.  It's growing slowly but steadily.  Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  What we're really trying to do is make up for previous neglect of football by Councils, not catch up with unexpected growth.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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There will be 3 new senior fields ready to play on at hutt park raceway next season (currently only one)
An Additional pitch  may also be added to Te whiti park as pressure is being put on the rugby league club who have 2 rugby fields and barley use there number 2 pitch...
Thats 3 new pitches in the hutt valley that would help a little bit
 
And bobboltontawa2  i think you will find the problem is some clubs in the wellington region dont have designated training areas or space off to one side other than a pitch and then have to train on a pitch eg Wakfield number 4 which im presuming Island bay may train on? This works out good for Island bay as there number 1 remains in tact but unfair on the lower grade teams which have to play on the number 4 on saturdays... If clubs all had designated training areas the problems with muddy pitches would settle a little...  When i say designated training areas i mean an area where there is no pitch and no one will have to play on it on a saturday
 
 
Maybe as a football community could we all get together and submit  some kind of petition to the council on this matter??? I dont know??? Any Ideas??
 
 
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Certainly, we should find out who is considering this issue at Council and see if we can send letters/submissions of our own.

If anyone knows where/to whom such letters should be directed let them speak.
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Instead of a petition why not make a submission to the draft annual plan as CF is doing tomorrow? Hop on the WCC website, go to the draft  and look at P59 which mentions how much money will be spent on recreational facilities for the next 3 years. We are doing it as a club but any individual can do it. There are longer term plans not mentioned in the draft. At a public forum I went to recently (Feverish was there too) WCC clearly stated their agreement to build artificial pitches around Wellington - not as quick as we would like but at least the committment is there. These pitches will fix the ground availability problem. All clubs would have access to the one closest to them. In defence of WCC they know there is a serious problem, they also can't be blamed for the really wet start to the season. What they do have control of is how quickly they spend their money - submissions that talk about muddy parks and support artificial pitches can help to put pressure on them to spend it sooner.
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Kiwi Jambo wrote:
if Prendergast and her lackeys  can throw massive amounts of cash at the Becks circus  last year ,which  was apparently  for the promotion of the city and the game itself (and nothing to do with pre -council election populism) then surely they can up their investment in this rapidly growing sport.

 
Is the council currently even attempting to identify any new areas for pitches or doing any analysis on what may be needed?





Hm, is this really the level of reason on this site- cos if it is its dissapointing.

I think you'd do a lot worse than the current crop of council lackeys when it comes to support for football, and i bet you were there cheering for the Nix v. LA in Dec.

Quite apart from the ground issue, of which as a player i am well aware of the limtiations having played on the Velodrome three weeks ago, WCC has been very supportive of football in the region and does not deserved to be bagged like that-

Someone approaches them to run a Futsal open day to launch Futsal in Colelges and they oblige, invite down the Phoenix and YF and 500 people experience the game in Civic Square, BEach Football? no worries mate, we'll take that one on too- Phoenix want to bring Bex to Wgtn- why don't we run an open trainiging sessiona nd get 10,000 school kids along to experience football fever first hand. a very ignorant post indeed.

even this weekends charity match vs the chinese selection is a case in point-if the council didn't care they just wouldn't respond- they have no special mandate to support football, they just choose to cos:

A) it makes sense to support a growing proposition
B) WCC is filled with sport and football loving individuals (myslef included) who advocate daily, for football, for phoenix and for YF-

and as for your second point quoted above- the answer is yes, the Council are investigating new areas for pitches and what is needed- especially for state of the art artificial pitches.

Long may football grow and long may the council support it despite the ignorance of some as to what has already been achieved


Salmon072008-05-27 22:12:16

Salmon swim upstream

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Your forgot Culture Kicks.
 
Keep up the good work Salmon.
 
 
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Your forgot Culture Kicks.
 
Keep up the good work Salmon.
 
 


i could never forget Culture Kicks-13 hours in wet socks

I just ask for a little balance

Salmon swim upstream

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I think blaming council members for not doing anything is not the smartest course of action.....submitting proposals in the correct manner is going to get a better response and more likely to get further action from the council - to be fair they have made some increases in grounds (McCalister) as mentioned previously but due to the continuing and steady growth of numbers and the soon to be loss of other grounds there needs to be further effort in getting
a) more training facilities and b) more pitches to play on.
 
and in response to the playing out of the area - I'd be very unhappy about having both teams travelling away for a game, especially if it was two city team travelling to the Hutt. Not that I can see that happening but you get the idea!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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The Council's draft annual plan is on their website - http://www.wellington.govt.nz/plans/dap/2008-09/pdfs/15socialrec.pdf
 
The key pages from our point of view are 59, 60.
 
You can make a submission by emailing annual.plan@wcc.govt.nz
 
It is not clear, however, to what extent, there is room within the existing budgetary parameters and planning framework to substantially increase the focus and expenditure on football fields.
 
I suspect that in order to significantly shift resoures towards football fields we would need to have something built into the Council's strategic documents and Long-term City Council Plan (think that is what it is called).
 
That doesnt mean it is not worth making a submission. You should, because greater awareness of the issue is important - but this is a long-term project and will require consistent engagement with the Council over the next few years.
 
Salmon, you might be able to enlighten us on how long-term Council investment priorities are determined. And while you are at it, how do I get my dozen new pitches out at Grenada?
 
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Artificial pitches do seem the way to go. Hopefully all grounds that do not double up as cricket fields in the summer will one day be artificial
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Bullion wrote:
Artificial pitches do seem the way to go. Hopefully all grounds that do not double up as cricket fields in the summer will one day be artificial
 
Playing on an artificial just isn't the same as the real thing though is it?

Queenslander 3x a year.

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There's two ways to go here.

Argument the first:
 
A good chunk - no, the vast majority - of the world's footballing population would see ANY of the pitches here as complete and utter WEMBLEY. Do an images search for football pitches and you'll see the conditions some enthusiastic critters charge about on regardless.

Without bleating on too much, we are spoilt in this country - and people don't appreciate it. Many things, particularly including resources, and, football pitches.
 
Argument the second:

I guess, we pay tax (or - 'subs') too.

For THIS reason, it could be argued that we could, should, can, and will expect a LOT more.

Has somebody holding any ilk on here thought about introducing ACC into these submissions to the council?

From personal experience, whatever Matty Dillon is (hopefully) getting from ACC...along with the couple hundred they graciously decreed to myself - plus treatment costs, scans - could've been saved if Fortress Wakefield was tended to with a little more care.
 
Side thought to give an easy option to the council:
 
I'd have no problem whatsoever travelling an extra 20 minutes/half hour to play/train at NaeNae every week.
Masty2008-08-12 06:07:16
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Masty wrote:
Side thought to give an easy option to the council:
 
I'd have no problem whatsoever travelling an extra 20 minutes/half hour to play/train at NaeNae every week.


Reckon you can pass for over 35 ?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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I must say, there is no easy fix for this, but on the other hand what happens sometimes is unacceptable.

Some low-league teams have many of their games cancelled - which is unfair, whilst us playing in higher grades have to make do with really crap parks.

last saturday i played for both the 1st and 2nd XI (Varsity) at Kelburn Park. Well, before those two games, the Council had 2 kids games on in the morning.
Which meant that by the time the 1st XI played (230pm) there had already been 3 games on the park.
 
 

VUW AFC - Victoria University Football for life

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theprof wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Artificial pitches do seem the way to go. Hopefully all grounds that do not double up as cricket fields in the summer will one day be artificial
 
Playing on an artificial just isn't the same as the real thing though is it?


Sort of right but for the wrong reasons. These new artificial pitches really are impressive. Firstly when they are laid, they will lay the flat so you get a carpet like pitch, secondly its almost impossible to tell the difference between them and grass pitches.
People seem to have a negative picture of artificial pitches in their head but I swear they are better than grass pitches.
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