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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Opax wrote:
theprof wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Artificial pitches do seem the way to go. Hopefully all grounds that do not double up as cricket fields in the summer will one day be artificial
 
Playing on an artificial just isn't the same as the real thing though is it?


Sort of right but for the wrong reasons. These new artificial pitches really are impressive. Firstly when they are laid, they will lay the flat so you get a carpet like pitch, secondly its almost impossible to tell the difference between them and grass pitches.
People seem to have a negative picture of artificial pitches in their head but I swear they are better than grass pitches.
 
quite correct- we have some samples in the office now, very realistic.
 
Hell, if you get to play on a flat pitch in the middle of winter- you won't complain!
 
Apparently samples will be on display at an open day at Nairnville park in August.
 
Once the training field is up and running, and is a sort of show model, we can then look to roll out soem full size fields
Just sat in on Capital Footballs oral submission (ooer)-   in answer to your Marius question re: priorities - you must undertsand i am treading a fine line here, and must be ssen to represent YF first, rather than as a WCC spokesman, but the long term council plann (Ltccp) which is in draft format is committed to supporting football in the Wellington region.
Salmon072008-05-28 14:27:40

Salmon swim upstream

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Masty wrote:

I'd have no problem whatsoever travelling an extra 20 minutes/half hour to play/train at NaeNae every week.

 
You'd need a scouse accent......
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Salmon07 wrote:
Opax wrote:
theprof wrote:
Bullion wrote:
Artificial pitches do seem the way to go. Hopefully all grounds that do not double up as cricket fields in the summer will one day be artificial
 
Playing on an artificial just isn't the same as the real thing though is it?


Sort of right but for the wrong reasons. These new artificial pitches really are impressive. Firstly when they are laid, they will lay the flat so you get a carpet like pitch, secondly its almost impossible to tell the difference between them and grass pitches.
People seem to have a negative picture of artificial pitches in their head but I swear they are better than grass pitches.
 
quite correct- we have some samples in the office now, very realistic.

Think of the children!

How much better would a good surface be to children's technical development compared to a muddy park?
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Bullion wrote:
 
Think of the children!

How much better would a good surface be to children's technical development compared to a muddy park?
 
Quite correct-the usual rugby style of play, News you know the sort, would take a back seat to continental diving and over the top goal celebrations

Salmon swim upstream

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Hard News wrote:
liverpoolfan1 wrote:
You'd need a scouse accent......


...or a Sudanese one.
 
 
...let's make this clear -

AT

Naenae, most definitely not
 
FOR
 
Naenae. (sorry Masters team)
 
We've got a job to do for the mighty Institute yet, eh...
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I promise that if I win Lotto Powerball I'll fully fund a full size artificial pitch on Petone Memorial Number 1. Maybe even two pitches if we get a good deal. Just out of interest, does anyone have any idea how much a full sized artificail pitch costs?

Its no longer a problem.

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
only 1m. Apparently 2 would cost 1.5m (something to do with the upfront cost of preparing the ground, the more you prepare the lower the average cost)
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
OK, so $1.5m, add another $500K for extra facilities like fencing, markings, surrounding areas for training, lights etc and it comes to $2m. Not a huge amount for WCC to fork out surely.
Are the maintainance cost high and what is the expected life of one?

Its no longer a problem.

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Dunno about the maintainence cost, but most likely equal to depreciation at 10% so 200K per annum. That would be recouped easily enough from user charges and maoney saved on not mowing petone 1 and 2. Easily affordable. Total capital cost is bugger all compared to what they are spending (45m) up front on the new indoor facility at Cobham.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
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Not the Number One at Petone, Toffeeman.

 Do the Four and make the One a 10k rectangular grass stadium for Team Welly and things like Phoenix Pre-Season.  Put parking in at the old sschool, access along the rail corridor from the motorway and the new Dowse interchange... magic !

(That never happened, right )

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Marius Lacatus wrote:
The Council's draft annual plan is on their website - http://www.wellington.govt.nz/plans/dap/2008-09/pdfs/15socialrec.pdf
 
The key pages from our point of view are 59, 60.
 
You can make a submission by emailing annual.plan@wcc.govt.nz
 
It is not clear, however, to what extent, there is room within the existing budgetary parameters and planning framework to substantially increase the focus and expenditure on football fields.
 
I suspect that in order to significantly shift resoures towards football fields we would need to have something built into the Council's strategic documents and Long-term City Council Plan (think that is what it is called).
 
That doesnt mean it is not worth making a submission. You should, because greater awareness of the issue is important - but this is a long-term project and will require consistent engagement with the Council over the next few years.
 
Salmon, you might be able to enlighten us on how long-term Council investment priorities are determined. And while you are at it, how do I get my dozen new pitches out at Grenada?
 
Looks like we missed this particular boat - submissions were due 19 May.
 
Ill be turning my energy to getting Feverish elected to Council in two years. That may be the only way i get my 12 new pitches at Grenada anyway.
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There are now links to Capital Football's written and oral submissions on their website.

I think the slides for the oral submission, which include some good graphs, are even more compelling - so worth a look.
 
 
 
 
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
sell Crawford Green for 2.5million and build two floodlight artificials at Ian Galloway
 
 
 
Vote Feverish for Council

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
sell Crawford Green for 2.5million and build two floodlight artificials at Ian Galloway
 
Vote Feverish for Council
 
If you got onto council - I'd hope the pitch at Karori would be getting a few more $$$$$

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Crawford Green is culture central. Where Asian, African, European/Eastern, Polynesian and NZ people gather for football, rugby, league and softball. And thats just the casual stuff. Its not going anywhere.
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A-Team wrote:
Crawford Green is culture central. Where Asian, African, European/Eastern, Polynesian and NZ people gather for football, rugby, league and softball. And thats just the casual stuff. Its not going anywhere.


yeah, i like Crawford Green too- a true village green

Hands OFF Crawford!

Salmon for Mayor!

Sign up to be my lackey!
Salmon072008-05-29 18:41:23

Salmon swim upstream

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
too be fair i do not think this problem is limited to football. i played u21 rugby 2 seasons ago and we played 5 games out of a whole season because the fields were bad. so to say lets take the fields from rugby wouldn't solve much

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I heard a rumour that WCC has indeed decided to invest in a few artificial pitches! Take it or leave it I don't have a valid source.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The soggy winter and the prospect of some grades not being able to complete their season highlights the dire shortage of football fields in Wellington.
 
 
It mentions that artificials could be part of the answer - which I have to agree with. But, half an astroturf at Nairnville (which is what is budgeted for at this point) is not even start.
 
Football fields are under massive pressure at the best of times, and player numbers just keep climbing. Capital Football is already having to turn down team entries bc of ground shortages.
 
We probably need a dozen new pitches, maybe half of them astroturf - and we might begin to make a difference.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This weekend will highlight how much of a joke the situation is becoming.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I played on 3g astro (the newest kind) at the beckham academy last week, it's very similar to grass but a little slower. Would be better than 95% of pitches in wellington, maybe 100 come this time. Weird not getting muddy though

Normo's coming home

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
One thing that I've always wondered about is why there haven't been any proactive moves for a short-term solution to the farce we have to go through every season come late June/July.
I agree that the long-term solution is artificial pitches (or at least a decent number of them), but that is still years away. In the meantime we'll have to go through this again and again and again.
One of the things that I think could alleviate these problems is making use of holidays in the early part of the season to put less pressure on the grounds when the sh*t weather comes around. I'm thinking here in particular of ANZAC Day and Queen's Birthday. Both these days could easily accommodate a full round of fixtures (maybe only men's), and maybe even Easter could be an option. More people are away over Easter, so more social teams tend to struggle for numbers then, but if Capital Football schedules games for Saturday over Easter, then surely it's not too much of a stretch to schedule another game on Monday.
This way at least 2, maybe 3, fixtures for men could be out of the way before the really crap weather hits the town, and there would be less pressure on the grounds in July, which could hopefully then help the kids and women to complete their seasons as well.
Don't know what the logisitcs of this possibly involve, but it surely has to be at least an option to consider.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
One thing that I've always wondered about is why there haven't been any proactive moves for a short-term solution to the farce we have to go through every season come late June/July.
I agree that the long-term solution is artificial pitches (or at least a decent number of them), but that is still years away. In the meantime we'll have to go through this again and again and again.
One of the things that I think could alleviate these problems is making use of holidays in the early part of the season to put less pressure on the grounds when the sh*t weather comes around. I'm thinking here in particular of ANZAC Day and Queen's Birthday. Both these days could easily accommodate a full round of fixtures (maybe only men's), and maybe even Easter could be an option. More people are away over Easter, so more social teams tend to struggle for numbers then, but if Capital Football schedules games for Saturday over Easter, then surely it's not too much of a stretch to schedule another game on Monday.
This way at least 2, maybe 3, fixtures for men could be out of the way before the really crap weather hits the town, and there would be less pressure on the grounds in July, which could hopefully then help the kids and women to complete their seasons as well.
Don't know what the logisitcs of this possibly involve, but it surely has to be at least an option to consider.
 
prob is social teams dont want to play on holiday weekends - you end up struggling for players and teams default

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
DKP22 wrote:
This weekend will highlight how much of a joke the situation is becoming.
 
Look on the bright side - Capital Soccer will reimburse lots of " grounds fees "  for the cut back fixture list to all clubs who have been effected [ yeah right ]. Looks hopeless for this weekend !!!
ChopperHarris2008-07-23 16:29:10
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
One thing that I've always wondered about is why there haven't been any proactive moves for a short-term solution to the farce we have to go through every season come late June/July. I agree that the long-term solution is artificial pitches (or at least a decent number of them), but that is still years away. In the meantime we'll have to go through this again and again and again. One of the things that I think could alleviate these problems is making use of holidays in the early part of the season to put less pressure on the grounds when the sh*t weather comes around. I'm thinking here in particular of ANZAC Day and Queen's Birthday. Both these days could easily accommodate a full round of fixtures (maybe only men's), and maybe even Easter could be an option. More people are away over Easter, so more social teams tend to struggle for numbers then, but if Capital Football schedules games for Saturday over Easter, then surely it's not too much of a stretch to schedule another game on Monday. This way at least 2, maybe 3, fixtures for men could be out of the way before the really crap weather hits the town, and there would be less pressure on the grounds in July, which could hopefully then help the kids and women to complete their seasons as well. Don't know what the logisitcs of this possibly involve, but it surely has to be at least an option to consider.

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prob is social teams dont want to play on holiday weekends - you end up struggling for players and teams default


I know, Easter's usually the biggest problem. But I wonder if Capital Football had ever tried to at least moot this idea around clubs and their social teams to see if it would be viable. So if teams know they'd be playing on holidays before the start of the season, maybe they'd have time to get organised.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
about the WCC ground situation. Check it out

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
You could just paste it here for those of us without access to the Dom...
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Good letter by Feverish. It's a worry that in Piney's interview with Trevor Jackson (WCC), Keith Palmer and the rugby guy on his radio show on Saturday morning, the topic of artificial turf was raised. Trevor mentioned a 10 to 12 year plan to get artificials in. 10 to 12 years? We need them sooner than that, like next year. Maybe the washouts this season will encourage WCC to crank things up a little. 
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nice letter, perhaps some of the councellors will read it and take notice, in particular Mr Morrison, after all sports is his domain.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Dozen full-size astroturf fields might cost what?  Any thoughts?
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The situation certainly sucks. We have played 1 game in 4 weeks now. I believe some junior grades havent had a game in over a month.

Hardly helps the "get of the couch" message doesnt it
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Good stuff Feverish.
 
Even in a good year most teams will play half a dozen games in mud. Something has to be done urgently.
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
They reckon a nice round million per pitch.
 
much less im sure if we buy in bulk, which we need to!
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

how many artificial pitches are there in new zealand?

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bobboltontawa2 wrote:

how many artificial pitches are there in new zealand?

very few football articifials id say, but countless hockey turfs
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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
One is my understanding.  On the Number two or three pitch at North Harbour Stadium (not sure if the cricket Oval out the back counts as Number two or the artificial to the North).

Funded by FIFA and NZ Football.

Different technology to Hockey Turfs.
Hard News2008-07-28 14:49:59

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cheers.

cant see us playing on them for at least 10 years if not 20 a - i think well see like nairnville - half size courts popping up over the place more for training purposes - i for one love the mud.
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