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Posted October 14, 2014 10:16 · last edited October 14, 2014 10:24

james dean wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

Bevan wrote:

It's not a fact.

It's an opinion.

Look, it's arguing semantics, but I believe I was stating facts, at least the opinion of our front five being a bit underdone was based on facts.  And looking at it a bit more closely I am even more inclined to say we were underdone before Perth.

Rodriquez had not played for three weeks before the Sydney game.  And he played only 45mins of that. 

The week before that we played without Rodriquez v Jets and played nearly half the game against 10.  That was McG's first game for us, he was not match fit and faded in that game.  The other game in Sydney was all the rest of the squad.

I believe it is a fact that those are the only serious games we have had with the current starting combination in their current roles.  That's 45mins with Riera, Rodriquez, McG and Rolly together against decent opposition.

JD's claim that we'd had a month together unchanged is simply wrong.

Then against Canterbury United, Ernie had made mega subs by half time.  I turned up late and none of the combinations I wanted to see together were on the pitch.

So including the CU game I believe it is a fact that Rodriquez's match play combination with Rolly and Riera was at most 90mins long, before we played Perth.  None of that is opinion.  I am either correct or wrong on the facts.  Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I am.

The guts of what I was saying was that we will improve, because we had not had as much time together as you'd think, or like.  I'm sticking with that opinion.

On top of that limited time together, Burns, Rolly and McG are all being asked to play in unfamiliar roles, to varying degrees. I think that much is also fact, not opinion. Plus I'd argue Rodriquez's role has changed substantially with both he and Rolly playing with Riera, compared to the role he played earlier in the FU games.  I'm definitely looking forward to seeing these guys develop together through the season.

Our preparation is entirely within our control.  If we go into the season underdone, and other teams go into the season well prepared with their combinations working, then I am not willing to say "oh well that's fine, we were a bit underdone".  I look at that as a problem with our build up.  The team have been prepping for 5 months!

Anyway, next game we can hopefully get rid of the nerves and start afresh.  Season starts here!



Semantics are the mechanism by which arguments are presented. Beliefs or facts are stated, their meaning is discussed using logical or lexical semantics. Ergo, semantics cannot be argued. Here endeth the lesson...or I'm drunk and being a Pommie tw@t :-)  

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Warwick Hunt edited October 14, 2014 10:24
james dean wrote:
mjp2 wrote:
Bevan wrote:

It's not a fact.

It's an opinion.

Look, it's arguing semantics, but I believe I was stating facts, at least the opinion of our front five being a bit underdone was based on facts.  And looking at it a bit more closely I am even more inclined to say we were underdone before Perth.

Rodriquez had not played for three weeks before the Sydney game.  And he played only 45mins of that. 

The week before that we played without Rodriquez v Jets and played nearly half the game against 10.  That was McG's first game for us, he was not match fit and faded in that game.  The other game in Sydney was all the rest of the squad.

I believe it is a fact that those are the only serious games we have had with the current starting combination in their current roles.  That's 45mins with Riera, Rodriquez, McG and Rolly together against decent opposition.

JD's claim that we'd had a month together unchanged is simply wrong.

Then against Canterbury United, Ernie had made mega subs by half time.  I turned up late and none of the combinations I wanted to see together were on the pitch.

So including the CU game I believe it is a fact that Rodriquez's match play combination with Rolly and Riera was at most 90mins long, before we played Perth.  None of that is opinion.  I am either correct or wrong on the facts.  Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I am.

The guts of what I was saying was that we will improve, because we had not had as much time together as you'd think, or like.  I'm sticking with that opinion.

On top of that limited time together, Burns, Rolly and McG are all being asked to play in unfamiliar roles, to varying degrees. I think that much is also fact, not opinion. Plus I'd argue Rodriquez's role has changed substantially with both he and Rolly playing with Riera, compared to the role he played earlier in the FU games.  I'm definitely looking forward to seeing these guys develop together through the season.

Our preparation is entirely within our control.  If we go into the season underdone, and other teams go into the season well prepared with their combinations working, then I am not willing to say "oh well that's fine, we were a bit underdone".  I look at that as a problem with our build up.  The team have been prepping for 5 months!

Anyway, next game we can hopefully get rid of the nerves and start afresh.  Season starts here!



Semantics are the mechanism by which arguments are presented. Beliefs or facts are stated, their meaning is discussed using logical or lexical semantics. Ergo semantics cannot be argued. Here endeth the lesson...or I'm drunk :-)  
Warwick Hunt edited October 14, 2014 10:23
james dean wrote:
mjp2 wrote:
Bevan wrote:

It's not a fact.

It's an opinion.

Look, it's arguing semantics, but I believe I was stating facts, at least the opinion of our front five being a bit underdone was based on facts.  And looking at it a bit more closely I am even more inclined to say we were underdone before Perth.

Rodriquez had not played for three weeks before the Sydney game.  And he played only 45mins of that. 

The week before that we played without Rodriquez v Jets and played nearly half the game against 10.  That was McG's first game for us, he was not match fit and faded in that game.  The other game in Sydney was all the rest of the squad.

I believe it is a fact that those are the only serious games we have had with the current starting combination in their current roles.  That's 45mins with Riera, Rodriquez, McG and Rolly together against decent opposition.

JD's claim that we'd had a month together unchanged is simply wrong.

Then against Canterbury United, Ernie had made mega subs by half time.  I turned up late and none of the combinations I wanted to see together were on the pitch.

So including the CU game I believe it is a fact that Rodriquez's match play combination with Rolly and Riera was at most 90mins long, before we played Perth.  None of that is opinion.  I am either correct or wrong on the facts.  Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I am.

The guts of what I was saying was that we will improve, because we had not had as much time together as you'd think, or like.  I'm sticking with that opinion.

On top of that limited time together, Burns, Rolly and McG are all being asked to play in unfamiliar roles, to varying degrees. I think that much is also fact, not opinion. Plus I'd argue Rodriquez's role has changed substantially with both he and Rolly playing with Riera, compared to the role he played earlier in the FU games.  I'm definitely looking forward to seeing these guys develop together through the season.

Our preparation is entirely within our control.  If we go into the season underdone, and other teams go into the season well prepared with their combinations working, then I am not willing to say "oh well that's fine, we were a bit underdone".  I look at that as a problem with our build up.  The team have been prepping for 5 months!

Anyway, next game we can hopefully get rid of the nerves and start afresh.  Season starts here!



Semantics are the mechanism by which arguments are presented. Beliefs or facts are stated, their meaning is discussed using logical or lexical semantics. Here endeth the lesson...or I'm drunk :-)  

Warwick Hunt edited October 14, 2014 10:16
james dean wrote:
mjp2 wrote:
Bevan wrote:

It's not a fact.

It's an opinion.

Look, it's arguing semantics, but I believe I was stating facts, at least the opinion of our front five being a bit underdone was based on facts.  And looking at it a bit more closely I am even more inclined to say we were underdone before Perth.

Rodriquez had not played for three weeks before the Sydney game.  And he played only 45mins of that. 

The week before that we played without Rodriquez v Jets and played nearly half the game against 10.  That was McG's first game for us, he was not match fit and faded in that game.  The other game in Sydney was all the rest of the squad.

I believe it is a fact that those are the only serious games we have had with the current starting combination in their current roles.  That's 45mins with Riera, Rodriquez, McG and Rolly together against decent opposition.

JD's claim that we'd had a month together unchanged is simply wrong.

Then against Canterbury United, Ernie had made mega subs by half time.  I turned up late and none of the combinations I wanted to see together were on the pitch.

So including the CU game I believe it is a fact that Rodriquez's match play combination with Rolly and Riera was at most 90mins long, before we played Perth.  None of that is opinion.  I am either correct or wrong on the facts.  Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I am.

The guts of what I was saying was that we will improve, because we had not had as much time together as you'd think, or like.  I'm sticking with that opinion.

On top of that limited time together, Burns, Rolly and McG are all being asked to play in unfamiliar roles, to varying degrees. I think that much is also fact, not opinion. Plus I'd argue Rodriquez's role has changed substantially with both he and Rolly playing with Riera, compared to the role he played earlier in the FU games.  I'm definitely looking forward to seeing these guys develop together through the season.

Our preparation is entirely within our control.  If we go into the season underdone, and other teams go into the season well prepared with their combinations working, then I am not willing to say "oh well that's fine, we were a bit underdone".  I look at that as a problem with our build up.  The team have been prepping for 5 months!

Anyway, next game we can hopefully get rid of the nerves and start afresh.  Season starts here!



Semantics are the mechanism by which arguments are presented. Beliefs or facts are stated, their meaning is be discussed using logical or lexical semantics. Here endeth the lesson...or I'm drunk :-)