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Striker woes..or more correctly goal scoring woes

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Striker woes..or more correctly goal scoring woes

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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This is still an unresolved issue for me........I note JFH has just retired..perhaps we could tempt him out of retirement as a marque player....although he was injured.  I just cant see where enough goals are going to come from this season to have the Nix up there and challenging for a top spot.  Midfield or stikers..I dont care where they come from.  Midfield seems to be more defensive orientated so it would be a struggle to get too many from there which leaves the strike "force".

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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Boro4eva wrote:
This is still an unresolved issue for me........I note JFH has just retired..perhaps we could tempt him out of retirement as a marque player....although he was injured.  I just cant see where enough goals are going to come from this season to have the Nix up there and challenging for a top spot.  Midfield or stikers..I dont care where they come from.  Midfield seems to be more defensive orientated so it would be a struggle to get too many from there which leaves the strike "force".
 
Agree. Does any other team in the A-League start with only one specialist striker up front?
 
Smeltz is great, but we looked woeful the week he went down sick. If he was suddenly out for half a dozen games, how many goals would the rest of the team manage? And who'd score them?
 
(Credit to Covs for giving his best, but he is an ageing warhorse, running his legs off, but his goal-scoring heyday is long past.)
 
With only one potent striker on the field - in the whole team! - we just don't have the firepower to return the favour and put 3 or 4 goals past our opponents.
 
Mind-numbing one-all draws that rely on desperate defense and a kick-and-hope midfield will not draw crowds or grow the game. (Where are the crowds this year?)
 
Is the club still looking to sign a second striker? Anyone know for sure? And if not, why not!?
 
It's not just necessary. It's urgent! 
 
scribbler2008-09-16 14:29:39
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This has been done to death in several other threads already...

Allegedly

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Hundreds of other threads.  Heel free to move it to the CCM match thread or the upcoming Glory one. Hard News2008-09-16 14:39:02

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Heel toe heel

Allegedly

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IBTL.

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Tegal wrote:
This has been done to death in several other threads already...
 
I disagree..the striker thread has but not in the context of JFH or other available players..and forgive me but it is topical every week the team fails to score! and I went back 3 pages searching for earlier topic to reopen....it should be a "sticky" until problem is resolved.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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Costa scores goals.
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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We are now seeing the folly of letting George slip through our fingers. He was consistently played out of position, if at all, whereas he really would have hit his straps playing in a fox in the box type role off of Smeltz.

By all accounts, George got stuck in, punched above his weight, was not afraid to put the boot in and didn't take any lip from anyone.

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Arsenal wrote:
We are now seeing the folly of letting George slip through our fingers. He was consistently played out of position, if at all, whereas he really would have hit his straps playing in a fox in the box type role off of Smeltz.

By all accounts, George got stuck in, punched above his weight, was not afraid to put the boot in and didn't take any lip from anyone.
 
 
 
Arsenal i so agree... I think it is at this point in time that riki has to begin listening to the fans. If we kept George we could be in the top 4!. Also if Riki listened to the calls of many supporters for Bob o Ba l D E then our defenvise/goal scoring problems would not exist.
Scottishbhoy2008-09-16 16:27:28

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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George (and Clebo) have character, something that I feel is missing from this side, but I feel we need to have either a striker who would work alongside Smeltz in a 442, or be decent enough to replace him in a 4231 if need be.
You know we belong together...

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Ronaldo, the real one. He's a little over weight but he can knock them in. I hear he's on the look out for a new club.

A dog with a bone :)

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I hear there's some dude called Joel Porter we could sign?
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nightz wrote:
Ronaldo, the real one. He's a little over weight but he can knock them in. I hear he's on the look out for a new club.
 
Man city if the rumors are true.
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Joel Porter. . . What could have been. . .

He might not be available for the next season as one of the two new franchises are also thinking about grabbing him. I sense an uphill battle for him again.

Anyway, do we have a up and coming striker in the NZFC?

Does Jeremy Brockie or Aarron Burgess get a look in, despite playing with severely weaken NZFC teams (compared to welly, aucks and waitkere) now they have regained their fitness back to their former selves?
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I think we'd be mad not to get at least Brockie in A.S.A.P. Don't particularly want an aging star unless theres a damned good chance he's gunna give a rats ass. Please please please why not play Costa! Can Tony P shed some light on why he's not getting any game time?
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I'm sorry, but we have one spot left and we should use it on Jeremy brockie, a man who has been converted back to a wide midfield player ?

So currently in active threads we DESPERATELY need another striker, a Central Midfielder and now another wide player, all in the one spare spot we have ?

Instead of why not play Costa, why play him ?  Apart from age group football he's never been prolific, he's virtually untested at this level, and out other options have years of experience.  Who does he play instead of, Daniel ?  Leilei Gao ?


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Hard News wrote:
I'm sorry, but we have one spot left and we should use it on Jeremy brockie, a man who has been converted back to a wide midfield player ?

So currently in active threads we DESPERATELY need another striker, a Central Midfielder and now another wide player, all in the one spare spot we have ?

Instead of why not play Costa, why play him ?  Apart from age group football he's never been prolific, he's virtually untested at this level, and out other options have years of experience.  Who does he play instead of, Daniel ?  Leilei Gao ?


 
my thoughts too.
just had this debate with cnut. Using two meaningless games ie CCM and Galaxy last yr as examples doesnt cut mustard in my book.

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The reality is we do need another striker and the spare spot should be for a quality back up striker, easy to say patently hard to deliver on.

The central midfield has been a weakness and maybe Brown will shape up when he gets his chance. But if I had the chance to grab Elliot on a guest spot, if that's possible, I'd be seriously looking at it.

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Feverish wrote:
just had this debate with cnut. Using two meaningless games ie CCM and Galaxy last yr as examples doesnt cut mustard in my book.


Yep - I hadn't given it a huge amount of thought, but I agree - just haven't seen enough of the guy to justify selection.

Considering Ricki sees him every day at training, I'm sure he'd be selected if he was ready to step up. Obviously that is a wee way off yet.
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Even if Costa is crap he will instill a bit of f**king life into the team. I agree that he probably isn't 100% ready yet though. Is only 18 after all and hasn't had the benefits of the AIS etc. like the Aussie players have.
valeo2008-09-16 21:05:44

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What were the reports back on his spell in Aussie like?
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valeo wrote:

Even if Costa is crap he will instill a bit of f**king life into the team. I agree that he probably isn't 100% ready yet though. Is only 18 after all and hasn't had the benefits of the AIS etc. like the Aussie players have.


How can we assume costa will have anymore life than the rest of the team? I think its pretty sad we are pinning our hopes on a mainly unproven 18 year old. I agree that costa should get some time so we can develop him as a player but he is not going to come on and immediatly score a hattrick.
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Cnut wrote:
Feverish wrote:
just had this debate with cnut. Using two meaningless games ie CCM and Galaxy last yr as examples doesnt cut mustard in my book.


Yep - I hadn't given it a huge amount of thought, but I agree - just haven't seen enough of the guy to justify selection.

Considering Ricki sees him every day at training, I'm sure he'd be selected if he was ready to step up. Obviously that is a wee way off yet.
Dont go along with that,given how some of our so called experienced players have gone this season would it be really such a risk giving him a crack as a sub.Forget the galaxy game but he certainly showed something in the CCM game and dont go with the meaningless tag as it was a competitive game.Keep hearing all this rubbish about age and AIS until he and Draper are given a crack everything said is just guess work.

You never know they just might surprise some people.
ballane2008-09-16 21:19:43

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Maybe he would - but if you were Ricki would you take the risk?

It would be an admission of the team struggling if he threw Costa in.

Cannae see it happening - and for good reason.
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Jeremy Christie for striker. He made scoring look easy against NC!
Nah, Brockie does sound like a useful option.
I myself would rather have Daniel up there with Smeltzy. Reasons? He combines well with Smeltz, he has good ball control in tight areas, e.g. the penalty area. He would earn penalties rather than free kicks. It would mean we could have Leilei Gao and Leo on the pitch too.
There!! Convinced?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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I like the Daniel idea as well Oi Oi, but also because if something extravagant goes wrong in the area he gives it away in the box, not on halfway.

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Are you implying that back-heels don't always end up at the feet of the anticipated recipient?

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You mean there is an intended recipient?!

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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ballane wrote:
Cnut wrote:
Feverish wrote:
just had this debate with cnut. Using two meaningless games ie CCM and Galaxy last yr as examples doesnt cut mustard in my book.


Yep - I hadn't given it a huge amount of thought, but I agree - just haven't seen enough of the guy to justify selection.

Considering Ricki sees him every day at training, I'm sure he'd be selected if he was ready to step up. Obviously that is a wee way off yet.
Dont go along with that,given how some of our so called experienced players have gone this season would it be really such a risk giving him a crack as a sub.Forget the galaxy game but he certainly showed something in the CCM game and dont go with the meaningless tag as it was a competitive game.Keep hearing all this rubbish about age and AIS until he and Draper are given a crack everything said is just guess work.

You never know they just might surprise some people.
 
its not guess work
so does he go ahead of Bertos, Hearfield, Smeltz, Cov, Gao, Daniel?

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Get In There Son wrote:
Maybe he would - but if you were Ricki would you take the risk?

It would be an admission of the team struggling if he threw Costa in.

Cannae see it happening - and for good reason.
Sorry dont go along with that either,so we just pretend nothings wrong and try the same old things that havnt worked sofar.Have yet to hear from anyone just why last season he had a cracker of a game against CMM and yet this seasonhasnt been sighted.I seem to recall many posting after that game that on that performance things looked on the up for this season.As for an admission the team is struggling,we all seem to realise they are maybe some others need to open their eyes to that fact as well.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Hard News wrote:
I like the Daniel idea as well Oi Oi, but also because if something extravagant goes wrong in the area he gives it away in the box, not on halfway.


Good point you make, Daniel has given away a lot of possession, the back heel is proving to be a low percentage ball.

I have memories of Daniel and Lochead working the left hand side last season and it was some of the best football we played. Sadly neither of them has yet to recapture that form but on song that combination is potentially one if not the most potent attacking left side in the league. I like the idea of these two getting down that left flank and whipping the ball in for Smeltz and ????? to finish.
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valeo wrote:
Even if Costa is crap he will instill a bit of f**king life into the team. I agree that he probably isn't 100% ready yet though. Is only 18 after all and hasn't had the benefits of the AIS etc. like the Aussie players have.


we had "life" against CCM -  what we lacked were the tactics and skill
I like tautologies because I like them.
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ballane wrote:
Get In There Son wrote:
Maybe he would - but if you were Ricki would you take the risk?

It would be an admission of the team struggling if he threw Costa in.

Cannae see it happening - and for good reason.
Sorry dont go along with that either,so we just pretend nothings wrong and try the same old things that havnt worked sofar.Have yet to hear from anyone just why last season he had a cracker of a game against CMM and yet this seasonhasnt been sighted.I seem to recall many posting after that game that on that performance things looked on the up for this season.As for an admission the team is struggling,we all seem to realise they are maybe some others need to open their eyes to that fact as well.
 
1 goal in 5 games in NSW lge I think. Not good enough for Olywhites.
 
And I think you are being too much of a gloom merchant. We are barely into the season and the wheels have NOT fallen off.

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I'm keen for Daniel up front (backheels in the box would cause mayhem ), the key is an attacking midfielder, we don't have someone that's got the ability to have a crack outside the box or feed the attacking ball our strikers need. We could employ Messi and Torres and still keep loosing if we don't get them the ball they need. Bottom line, service is crap, time for a midfield maestro (i'm sure fabregas could be tempted)
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ballane wrote:


Cnut wrote:

Feverish wrote:
just had this debate with cnut. Using two meaningless games ie CCM and Galaxy last yr as examples doesnt cut mustard in my book.
Yep - I hadn't given it a huge amount of thought, but I agree - just haven't seen enough of the guy to justify selection.Considering Ricki sees him every day at training, I'm sure he'd be selected if he was ready to step up. Obviously that is a wee way off yet.
Dont go along with that,given how some of our so called experienced players have gone this season would it be really such a risk giving him a crack as a sub.Forget the galaxy game but he certainly showed something in the CCM game and dont go with the meaningless tag as it was a competitive game.Keep hearing all this rubbish about age and AIS until he and Draper are given a crack everything said is just guess work.You never know they just might surprise some people.


My thoughts exactly. I mean, what exactly have we got to lose given the way things have been going? Put him on the bench, give him 20 minutes against tiring defenders and see how it goes. If he doesn't crack it, fine, but we can't know until he getsa chance. And it's not as if the more experienced players ahead of him are setting the world alight...el grapadura2008-09-17 11:12:09
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