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even as an Aucklander I'd much prefer the Cake Tin. Thank fudge it's not QBE

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Nelfoos wrote:

Hay showing why he was the wrong choice. He doesn't get it, despite "getting NZ football" appearing to be the key thing he was hired based on.

"getting NZ football" = getting Auckaldn football

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Wish NZF would hurry tf up and organise a three match series every year against Australia. Doesn't need top overseas players. 2 games at home, 1 away, switching around every year. It is our biggest/only rivalry in sport and the lack of these fixtures ensures NZ football remains very low on people's radar.

This is logistically impossible, even if it 'doesn't need top overseas players'. Unless you were meaning a Northern/Central League XI v a NPL XI.

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Wish NZF would hurry tf up and organise a three match series every year against Australia. Doesn't need top overseas players. 2 games at home, 1 away, switching around every year. It is our biggest/only rivalry in sport and the lack of these fixtures ensures NZ football remains very low on people's radar.

This is logistically impossible, even if it 'doesn't need top overseas players'. Unless you were meaning a Northern/Central League XI v a NPL XI.

South Island League XI as well, don't forget!

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Why is it impossible?  Maybe a one-off match each year?  Australia to select only A league players and New Zealand to select A league and local if required?  A-League could run it not as a full international but as a state of origin or all star style one-off.  

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tonycottee wrote:

Why is it impossible?  Maybe a one-off match each year?  Australia to select only A league players and New Zealand to select A league and local if required?  A-League could run it not as a full international but as a state of origin or all star style one-off.  

Pretty much nil incentive for FFA to bother.

Australian public get plenty of international football with Socceroos having Asian Cup & World Cup qualifying campaigns. This October window Nepal & Chinese Tapiei.

Lots of easier AFC games for Arnie to experiment with and have a look at local A League players, rather than just pick the Euro based pros. 

Also A League now back to playing through FIFA windows - so when would you even find the right time for a Australian vs NZ A League selection game?

Is a pity though, as with 20 odd Kiwis now contracted to A League clubs (plus a few Handy Prem players to flesh out a squad) would be a reasonable 'NZ' team. 

The missed opportunity was March 2019 FIFA window earlier this year. A League stopped for that window, yet neither AWs nor Socceroos played!! Socceroos had played Asian Cup earlier in January, so FFA probably not too bothered, but NZF just another clusterfudge by running Handy Prem through that March window and therefore not being able to cobble together a side for that Malaysian tourney invite. That would have been a prime date slot to try schedule some sort of NZ v Aus fixture.

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Also a hard sell to the NZ public that they should care about two B sides having a kick about. I know we have a rivalry with Australia but that alone doesn't seem like enough to get people interested

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Also a hard sell to the NZ public that they should care about two B sides having a kick about. I know we have a rivalry with Australia but that alone doesn't seem like enough to get people interested

Meh! play it in Auckland, at least they turn up for games.
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Wish NZF would hurry tf up and organise a three match series every year against Australia. Doesn't need top overseas players. 2 games at home, 1 away, switching around every year. It is our biggest/only rivalry in sport and the lack of these fixtures ensures NZ football remains very low on people's radar.

With Asian Cup/World Cup qualifying every 2 year cycle, what interest would Aussie have in that arrangement?

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Royz wrote:

Also a hard sell to the NZ public that they should care about two B sides having a kick about. I know we have a rivalry with Australia but that alone doesn't seem like enough to get people interested

Meh! play it in Auckland, at least they turn up for games.

I'm sure Danny Hay would support it. Footballs coming home - Yeah right. To a nearly empty one.

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Wish NZF would hurry tf up and organise a three match series every year against Australia. Doesn't need top overseas players. 2 games at home, 1 away, switching around every year. It is our biggest/only rivalry in sport and the lack of these fixtures ensures NZ football remains very low on people's radar.

Agree 100%. Even if it’s only A league based players representing both countries.

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Palau wrote:

[quote=pickledmyself]

Wish NZF would hurry tf up and organise a three match series every year against Australia. Doesn't need top overseas players. 2 games at home, 1 away, switching around every year. It is our biggest/only rivalry in sport and the lack of these fixtures ensures NZ football remains very low on people's radar.

Agree 100%. Even if it’s only A league based players representing both countries.

When would you play these games? In a FIFA window for which the A-League doesn't stop? 

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Once again, there are just so many reasons to not play international fixtures aren't there

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reg22 wrote:

Once again, there are just so many reasons to not play international fixtures aren't there

"to not" OR "why it's difficult to" / "why it's not the best use of NZF's time and resources" ?

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Anyone get to this event on Monday night, held at Western Springs clubrooms? Understand Hay was going to speak about some of the challenges getting AWs together/games. Could have been interesting.

 


https://www.friendsoffootballnz.com/2021/05/01/your-chance-to-enjoy-another-evening-with-all-whites-coach-danny-hay/
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It's interesting that what many All Whites supporters (myself included) consider to be one of the highlights of following the national team, that is, the qualifier against Bahrain in 2009 he considers to be "a bit of a burden". Do we take it from this that he doesn't want to "burden" supporters with such success in the future? I can't fathom the logic that says we had success at a venue so we shouldn't continue to play there.

He sees it as a burden as that side set the bar for what we should expect from an AW side which I and others feel Hay will not be able to deliver.
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exactly, previous successes for Hay are a noose around his neck, he's worried that due to lack of games and playing time his squad wont be able to achieve anything close to WC quals.

despite having what some would say the best group of young and experienced players to pick from.
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Is his contract up? If so will he get to stay on?
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Is his contract up? If so will he get to stay on?
If it's up, great.  If not, sack him.  He's just a schoolboy coach.
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Now can we abandon the 3-5-3 formation where you pass it around in defence or midfield, then pass it back to either the defence or goalkeeper to hoof a hopeful ball towards Chris Woods only not to achieve it?? 

Hoping you might sneak in an early goal on a breakaway and then defend for the rest of the match.

It was more predictable than a Shortland Street story line.
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Despite failing to qualify for the WC, I think Danny's been very successful in his role overall. For the longest time the All Whites had been dull, unexciting and felt completely disjointed. This was particularly apparent during the Hudson reign with weird player selections, miserable results and poor performances on the rare occasions we played and a team that always looked to adapt their performance for the opponent - a real "we're second best in this match" move. 

Under Danny we've looked like a young, hungry and passionate team who look to play their own game and take it to the opposition. This team is the most exciting, dedicated and confident All Whites squad I've seen in years and I think that comes down to the crop of talent coming through as well as the culture Danny's created. Overall, I'm really pleased with the work he's done and I think we're in a better spot for the future than maybe ever. Now, with all that being said, I would still really, really like Des back. His U20 World Cup team was the genesis of this revolution in NZ Football and I think he'd be the perfect person at the helm. Danny's culture/man management + Des' tactical nous, commitment and eye for talent? Sign me the fudge up thanks.
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Despite failing to qualify for the WC, I think Danny's been very successful in his role overall. For the longest time the All Whites had been dull, unexciting and felt completely disjointed. This was particularly apparent during the Hudson reign with weird player selections, miserable results and poor performances on the rare occasions we played and a team that always looked to adapt their performance for the opponent - a real "we're second best in this match" move. 

Under Danny we've looked like a young, hungry and passionate team who look to play their own game and take it to the opposition. This team is the most exciting, dedicated and confident All Whites squad I've seen in years and I think that comes down to the crop of talent coming through as well as the culture Danny's created. Overall, I'm really pleased with the work he's done and I think we're in a better spot for the future than maybe ever. Now, with all that being said, I would still really, really like Des back. His U20 World Cup team was the genesis of this revolution in NZ Football and I think he'd be the perfect person at the helm. Danny's culture/man management + Des' tactical nous, commitment and eye for talent? Sign me the fudge up thanks.

As someone critical of the appointment I think he's, overall, been good. It's a tough gig.
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Now can we abandon the 3-5-3 formation where you pass it around in defence or midfield, then pass it back to either the defence or goalkeeper to hoof a hopeful ball towards Chris Woods only not to achieve it?? 

Hoping you might sneak in an early goal on a breakaway and then defend for the rest of the match.

It was more predictable than a Shortland Street story line.

One of the dumber posts I’ve read in awhile. Did you even watch the Playoff? We had 67% possession against a team ranked 70 FIFA places higher than us, with 90% of the fans against the AWs (not quite San Jose, but far from being a neutral venue), and in the last 25 mins down to 10 men.

What would you be happy with 90% of the ball? The loss came down to some key moments going against us. Mostly self inflicted - terrible defending for their goal, not enough shots on target to test Navas, and Kosta’s rash challenge. Plus then yes Wood’s goal rubbed out - IMO a real 50:50 call another Ref may have given.

Hay ain’t perfect, he’s still learning as a coach (only 47, never coached a pro club), and really he’s just following on with the good work of others like Des before him with this exciting group of mostly young, talented players. If Hay hadn’t then NZ Football fans, would rightly crucify him.

He seems to be doing a good job so keep him on, if he wants to continue. He’s had some long useful training camps (Olympics, OFC Tourney, CR Playoff buildup) with the players to now, install the game plan & culture longer term. Looking forward it’s likely back to short 1 week FIFA windows, with max 2-3 trainings before a game, players flying in from all over. Huge limitations on what a coach can actually do. 

If a new gaffer comes in you almost start all over again, and it could literally take 2 years of that limited 'on the grass' time, to install the new coach’s philosophy, not even factoring key players being unavailable at different windows. So the team could even regress. How the AWs played under Hay against Ireland & Lithuania in 2019, it’s a quantum leap forward to now. You just don't get the contact time as an international boss to make big improvements in a short time, like a club coach can. 

But LG you obviously won’t like him, no matter how the AWs are going. If anyone should be moaning about a ‘hoofball’ game plan it should be the CR fans. Maybe some of them are

And yes if Hay leaves ring up Des. But not sure they can work together. Seem to both be head coaches now. Only likely room for one.
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And interesting that old mate Huddo is an assistant in the USA setup. Maybe that’s his caper being an assistant rather than head honcho. I think some of criticism of him with the AWs was harsh. He picked up a mess post Ricki (Mexico playoffs) and left the team in much better shape. Just ask the players. His likeability index was low with the football public looking from the outside, but universally high with the players actually inside the teepee.

He also had a far less talented group than Buckingham and Hay have had. The midfield against Peru in 2017 - a Weemac on the wane, a 20 yr old Lewis still playing domestic NZ football, a young green 22 yr old Tuiloma who was playing more USL than the MLS, alongside top drawer Thomas (false 9?).

Some trainspotting, but lineups for NZ U20s in their last games, 2013 & 2015 World Cups. So in the theory the best young NZ talent coming through in Hudson's reign (2014-2017). Some real "who the hell are you?" names in there.
Plus a number of guys from the 2015 team especially who had a crack at pro football, but never quite made it.
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2013/06/29/world/u20-world-cup/croatia-youth/new-zealand-u20/1464207/
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2015/06/11/world/u20-world-cup/portugal-youth/new-zealand-u20/2036025/

Then same last game for U20s at 2017 & 2019 World Cups. The 2019 lineup obviously already being talked about as a 'golden generation' for little ole NZ.
The talent that Buckingham and Hay have been able to work with.
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2017/06/01/world/u20-world-cup/united-states-youth/new-zealand-u20/2170147/
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2019/06/02/world/u20-world-cup/colombia-youth/new-zealand-u20/2988804/

Hay the other day said he learnt a lot from Hudson, mostly around being highly prepared, doing a truck load of analysis etc. That’s obviously where the senior players thought Ricki was pretty shark - not helped by his time pressures juggling both Nix and AWs hats. NZF also not giving Ricki the resources Hudson fought for & got. Tommy Smith walked out on the AWs for a few years for a reason. Nelsen’s made some comments. 

The well resourced Americans wouldn’t want Hudson in their setup the last few years if they didn’t rate him. No time for passengers in cut throat CONCACAF qualifying. They wouldn’t be duped by a slick power point presentation, so he must have some actual real coaching cred. But again maybe it is an assistant role (with all that background analysis stuff) that suits him best, rather than being top dog.
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I think we have to keep Hay on, he's had limited actual games to play with the current squad and really deserves another shot at the world cup in '26. If we had the number of games that other international teams do ie 8-10 games a year id say give him 2 years to show we can challenge/beat teams other than the pacific islands. But as we only ever manage to play 2/3 games a year Hay really need to be the boss through till the next world cup.
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I think we have to keep Hay on, he's had limited actual games to play with the current squad and really deserves another shot at the world cup in '26. If we had the number of games that other international teams do ie 8-10 games a year id say give him 2 years to show we can challenge/beat teams other than the pacific islands. But as we only ever manage to play 2/3 games a year Hay really need to be the boss through till the next world cup.

Well he had 3 non OFC wins late 2021. Bahrain, Curacao and The Gambia. Plus a (apparently strong) Algeria 'A' team. But the games got tougher in 2022, sans Singh (and Thomas). Oman draw, and losses Jordan, Peru & Costa Rica.

Important issue is the team is tracking in the right direction. The future looks bright, and for now Hay deserves the chance to continue if he wants it. Be interesting to see how AWs perform against hopefully a close to full strength Socceroos, in 2 games. They should be close, a major development in itself, compared to the past.
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Now can we abandon the 3-5-3 formation where you pass it around in defence or midfield, then pass it back to either the defence or goalkeeper to hoof a hopeful ball towards Chris Woods only not to achieve it?? 

Hoping you might sneak in an early goal on a breakaway and then defend for the rest of the match.

It was more predictable than a Shortland Street story line.

One of the dumber posts I’ve read in awhile. Did you even watch the Playoff? We had 67% possession against a team ranked 70 FIFA places higher than us, with 90% of the fans against the AWs (not quite San Jose, but far from being a neutral venue), and in the last 25 mins down to 10 men.

What would you be happy with 90% of the ball? The loss came down to some key moments going against us. Mostly self inflicted - terrible defending for their goal, not enough shots on target to test Navas, and Kosta’s rash challenge. Plus then yes Wood’s goal rubbed out - IMO a real 50:50 call another Ref may have given.

Hay ain’t perfect, he’s still learning as a coach (only 47, never coached a pro club), and really he’s just following on with the good work of others like Des before him with this exciting group of mostly young, talented players. If Hay hadn’t then NZ Football fans, would rightly crucify him.

He seems to be doing a good job so keep him on, if he wants to continue. He’s had some long useful training camps (Olympics, OFC Tourney, CR Playoff buildup) with the players to now, install the game plan & culture longer term. Looking forward it’s likely back to short 1 week FIFA windows, with max 2-3 trainings before a game, players flying in from all over. Huge limitations on what a coach can actually do. 

If a new gaffer comes in you almost start all over again, and it could literally take 2 years of that limited 'on the grass' time, to install the new coach’s philosophy, not even factoring key players being unavailable at different windows. So the team could even regress. How the AWs played under Hay against Ireland & Lithuania in 2019, it’s a quantum leap forward to now. You just don't get the contact time as an international boss to make big improvements in a short time, like a club coach can. 

But LG you obviously won’t like him, no matter how the AWs are going. If anyone should be moaning about a ‘hoofball’ game plan it should be the CR fans. Maybe some of them are

And yes if Hay leaves ring up Des. But not sure they can work together. Seem to both be head coaches now. Only likely room for one.

One of the dumbest replies I've ever read for a while. Yes, I watched the game, and if you keep possession at the back and midfield of course your possession stats will be high. The lack of goals (Not just in this game) is a concern. pinning your hopes on one player is ludicrous. What are they going to do without Chris Woods?
 
The amount of long balls has become a staple in the AW games of late. Which ironically with time running down the AW's went back to possession football  - or tried to, but what did they achieve with it. 

There are some young diamonds in that squad but they need to be used in a way that utilizes their particular talents. Long ball doesn't.
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Now can we abandon the 3-5-3 formation where you pass it around in defence or midfield, then pass it back to either the defence or goalkeeper to hoof a hopeful ball towards Chris Woods only not to achieve it?? 

Hoping you might sneak in an early goal on a breakaway and then defend for the rest of the match.

It was more predictable than a Shortland Street story line.

One of the dumber posts I’ve read in awhile. Did you even watch the Playoff? We had 67% possession against a team ranked 70 FIFA places higher than us, with 90% of the fans against the AWs (not quite San Jose, but far from being a neutral venue), and in the last 25 mins down to 10 men.

What would you be happy with 90% of the ball? The loss came down to some key moments going against us. Mostly self inflicted - terrible defending for their goal, not enough shots on target to test Navas, and Kosta’s rash challenge. Plus then yes Wood’s goal rubbed out - IMO a real 50:50 call another Ref may have given.

Hay ain’t perfect, he’s still learning as a coach (only 47, never coached a pro club), and really he’s just following on with the good work of others like Des before him with this exciting group of mostly young, talented players. If Hay hadn’t then NZ Football fans, would rightly crucify him.

He seems to be doing a good job so keep him on, if he wants to continue. He’s had some long useful training camps (Olympics, OFC Tourney, CR Playoff buildup) with the players to now, install the game plan & culture longer term. Looking forward it’s likely back to short 1 week FIFA windows, with max 2-3 trainings before a game, players flying in from all over. Huge limitations on what a coach can actually do. 

If a new gaffer comes in you almost start all over again, and it could literally take 2 years of that limited 'on the grass' time, to install the new coach’s philosophy, not even factoring key players being unavailable at different windows. So the team could even regress. How the AWs played under Hay against Ireland & Lithuania in 2019, it’s a quantum leap forward to now. You just don't get the contact time as an international boss to make big improvements in a short time, like a club coach can. 

But LG you obviously won’t like him, no matter how the AWs are going. If anyone should be moaning about a ‘hoofball’ game plan it should be the CR fans. Maybe some of them are

And yes if Hay leaves ring up Des. But not sure they can work together. Seem to both be head coaches now. Only likely room for one.

One of the dumbest replies I've ever read for a while. Yes, I watched the game, and if you keep possession at the back and midfield of course your possession stats will be high. The lack of goals (Not just in this game) is a concern. pinning your hopes on one player is ludicrous. What are they going to do without Chris Woods?
 
The amount of long balls has become a staple in the AW games of late. Which ironically with time running down the AW's went back to possession football  - or tried to, but what did they achieve with it. 

There are some young diamonds in that squad but they need to be used in a way that utilizes their particular talents. Long ball doesn't.

AWs created a string of chances in the first half especially, based off Wood's great hold up play. But Greive & Garbett both sprayed wide. Or a last minute CR foot or Navas got in the way a few times. AWs were becoming so dominant, it  forced their coach to completely change it all up at HT bringing on his biggest CB Waston, and reverting to a back 5 effectively. It's garbage to say the ball was just hoofed forward to Wood, without a plan out of blind hope. 

A back 3/5 also allows one of your top 2-3 players in the team Cacace to bomb forward more, and be a greater threat. Singh & Thomas are both available and for sure, Hay thinks very long and hard about changing to a back 4. But they weren't.

Again Hay didn't cost us this game, the 3-4 key moments all going against the AWs did.

PS. And I’m pretty sure it’s spelt Wood.

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Whoever put 'Hay fever' in the heading, take a bow. That's great work

I’ll claim the first to that years ago 
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/129002785/all-whites-coach-danny-hay-yet-to-decide-whether-he-wants-to-stay-for-next-world-cup-push

They've made up for lost time in the past nine months, assembling on five occasions while also navigating the now largely defunct managed isolation and quarantine system, which made returning to New Zealand between windows a challenge until earlier this year.

"It has [been a busy period] and also the job's not an easy one," Hay said. "You don't get time to work with the players and a lot of the work you're doing is away from the pitch.

"I'm incredibly proud of staff. They've done a remarkable job, getting the players to perform like they did last night, but it's hard. I'm not going to lie, it's not easy.

"I need to think long and hard whether I can put myself and my family through that again."

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Being at the game (sober as dry stadium 🤬) is one of the best footballing experiences I've ever had. 

The boys played so well and to see all the Costa Rican fans genuinely scared of losing to us was great.  Every time we looked up from behind Navas and saw the stats that showed we were dominating, sent shivers down my spine.  Fudging VAR.

Anyways, I wasn't a Hay fan and thought him getting the gig was a stitch up.  The only decent fluid football we had played in my 30 years of watching the team was when Emblen coached. I thought he should have got the gig and certainly not the two other blokes we've seen.  After watching the games in Spain and in Qatar and meeting the players, coaching/support staff and families I'm now in the Hay camp.  He showed glimpses in Japan with the Olympics and it really shone Qatar.

The only bugbear I have is that he keeps picking Pijnaker. When his name was announced as starting, I thought that was the wrong call and watching that goal go in only reinforced that decision. It should have been Boxall. I rate Pijnaker but don't think he's a starter in a game like this.

I ran into the team the day after in their hotel (a real downer buzz/gutted feeling could be felt) and also met Roger Gray. It was great to see old AW captains part of the AW setup.  He's still a mountain of a man.

Gutted we lost but I'm happy for Hay to stay on if we keep playing like that.
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The stuff article... really you have to think about if you want the job or not? It's a hard job that plenty of people would leap at. For me he can jog on after reading that.
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The stuff article... really you have to think about if you want the job or not? It's a hard job that plenty of people would leap at. For me he can jog on after reading that.

FFS he's literally been home 5 mins. What's he supposed to say after a highly emotional Playoff game like that. The loss will be very very raw for the coaching staff and players. They were oh oh so close to going to the big dance in November. This wasn't Mexico or Peru, this is a playoff they so nearly won, or at minimum took to pens.

With the previous November playoffs most AWs were back playing for their club the next week. Life quickly moved on. But this time most of the guys are out of season, and will have way too much time to stew over this one. It will sting for awhile & then be revisited all over again when WC kicks off. Tony Vidmar Socceroos captain against Uruguay in 2001 IC playoffs, burst into tears leaving the Montevideo pitch, wondering if he'll ever get to a World Cup. Losing really hurts with these games. So many what ifs to dwell over.

For the last 12 months (going back to Tokyo) Hay's whole life has revolved around this 1 game. Couple of 2 week stretches in sharkty MIQ (thank fudge those days are over), long periods away from family. Taking some time out to think about what he wants to do next, is only perfectly natural.

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This side just need to be playing the same number of games that other countries not in Oceania do and they'd be even better most likely. The challenge is to keep playing regular games in the next couple of years so the side can develop properly. I think Hay has for sure earned the right to stay if he wants to.
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Now can we abandon the 3-5-3 formation where you pass it around in defence or midfield, then pass it back to either the defence or goalkeeper to hoof a hopeful ball towards Chris Woods only not to achieve it?? 

Hoping you might sneak in an early goal on a breakaway and then defend for the rest of the match.

It was more predictable than a Shortland Street story line.

One of the dumber posts I’ve read in awhile. Did you even watch the Playoff? We had 67% possession against a team ranked 70 FIFA places higher than us, with 90% of the fans against the AWs (not quite San Jose, but far from being a neutral venue), and in the last 25 mins down to 10 men.

What would you be happy with 90% of the ball? The loss came down to some key moments going against us. Mostly self inflicted - terrible defending for their goal, not enough shots on target to test Navas, and Kosta’s rash challenge. Plus then yes Wood’s goal rubbed out - IMO a real 50:50 call another Ref may have given.

Hay ain’t perfect, he’s still learning as a coach (only 47, never coached a pro club), and really he’s just following on with the good work of others like Des before him with this exciting group of mostly young, talented players. If Hay hadn’t then NZ Football fans, would rightly crucify him.

He seems to be doing a good job so keep him on, if he wants to continue. He’s had some long useful training camps (Olympics, OFC Tourney, CR Playoff buildup) with the players to now, install the game plan & culture longer term. Looking forward it’s likely back to short 1 week FIFA windows, with max 2-3 trainings before a game, players flying in from all over. Huge limitations on what a coach can actually do. 

If a new gaffer comes in you almost start all over again, and it could literally take 2 years of that limited 'on the grass' time, to install the new coach’s philosophy, not even factoring key players being unavailable at different windows. So the team could even regress. How the AWs played under Hay against Ireland & Lithuania in 2019, it’s a quantum leap forward to now. You just don't get the contact time as an international boss to make big improvements in a short time, like a club coach can. 

But LG you obviously won’t like him, no matter how the AWs are going. If anyone should be moaning about a ‘hoofball’ game plan it should be the CR fans. Maybe some of them are

And yes if Hay leaves ring up Des. But not sure they can work together. Seem to both be head coaches now. Only likely room for one.
Well actually, we lost.  That's the measure.
As for possession:  it was a given that we would have most of it after an early goal against us.  That stat is a non-starter.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/129002785/all-whites-coach-danny-hay-yet-to-decide-whether-he-wants-to-stay-for-next-world-cup-push

They've made up for lost time in the past nine months, assembling on five occasions while also navigating the now largely defunct managed isolation and quarantine system, which made returning to New Zealand between windows a challenge until earlier this year.

"It has [been a busy period] and also the job's not an easy one," Hay said. "You don't get time to work with the players and a lot of the work you're doing is away from the pitch.

"I'm incredibly proud of staff. They've done a remarkable job, getting the players to perform like they did last night, but it's hard. I'm not going to lie, it's not easy.

"I need to think long and hard whether I can put myself and my family through that again."

Don't do it Hazy.  Don't do it.
Let a better man have the job.
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Now can we abandon the 3-5-3 formation where you pass it around in defence or midfield, then pass it back to either the defence or goalkeeper to hoof a hopeful ball towards Chris Woods only not to achieve it?? 

Hoping you might sneak in an early goal on a breakaway and then defend for the rest of the match.

It was more predictable than a Shortland Street story line.

One of the dumber posts I’ve read in awhile. Did you even watch the Playoff? We had 67% possession against a team ranked 70 FIFA places higher than us, with 90% of the fans against the AWs (not quite San Jose, but far from being a neutral venue), and in the last 25 mins down to 10 men.

What would you be happy with 90% of the ball? The loss came down to some key moments going against us. Mostly self inflicted - terrible defending for their goal, not enough shots on target to test Navas, and Kosta’s rash challenge. Plus then yes Wood’s goal rubbed out - IMO a real 50:50 call another Ref may have given.

Hay ain’t perfect, he’s still learning as a coach (only 47, never coached a pro club), and really he’s just following on with the good work of others like Des before him with this exciting group of mostly young, talented players. If Hay hadn’t then NZ Football fans, would rightly crucify him.

He seems to be doing a good job so keep him on, if he wants to continue. He’s had some long useful training camps (Olympics, OFC Tourney, CR Playoff buildup) with the players to now, install the game plan & culture longer term. Looking forward it’s likely back to short 1 week FIFA windows, with max 2-3 trainings before a game, players flying in from all over. Huge limitations on what a coach can actually do. 

If a new gaffer comes in you almost start all over again, and it could literally take 2 years of that limited 'on the grass' time, to install the new coach’s philosophy, not even factoring key players being unavailable at different windows. So the team could even regress. How the AWs played under Hay against Ireland & Lithuania in 2019, it’s a quantum leap forward to now. You just don't get the contact time as an international boss to make big improvements in a short time, like a club coach can. 

But LG you obviously won’t like him, no matter how the AWs are going. If anyone should be moaning about a ‘hoofball’ game plan it should be the CR fans. Maybe some of them are

And yes if Hay leaves ring up Des. But not sure they can work together. Seem to both be head coaches now. Only likely room for one.
Well actually, we lost.  That's the measure.
As for possession:  it was a given that we would have most of it after an early goal against us.  That stat is a non-starter.

Your first sentence is the worst and most unconstructive argument in professional sports

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