Match 14 vs Macarthur | Sun 28th Mar | 6:05pm | SS7

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Hemed is still an enigma.

I do wonder when he looks good with some little flicks etc. and they come off is just because his control is pants and he knows it.

Unfortunately the subs we made just before Mac scored didn't suit the remainder of the game. Waine, nice crosses but probably had the best chance at the end of the game to score from a corner. In general our finishing was terrible, only 2 shots on target. 
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Hemed is still an enigma.

I do wonder when he looks good with some little flicks etc. and they come off is just because his control is pants and he knows it.

Unfortunately the subs we made just before Mac scored didn't suit the remainder of the game. Waine, nice crosses but probably had the best chance at the end of the game to score from a corner. In general our finishing was terrible, only 2 shots on target. 
Having watched Hemed when he played for the Rs - he could be very inconsistent/lazy. For the Phoenix, he suffers from not getting enough decent service and the team/coach not playing to his strengths. 
It's rare we play a decent cross into the box, when he holds up play - we don't have players running off him and clearly he's not fast enough to outpace the defense (a la Sotirio) so those passes are wasted. 

When given the chance, you can see he's a competent finisher, strong, good positioning (he's basically an 18 yard box striker or target man) - but he doesn't have the work ethic required for the A-League and we keep expecting him to drop deep to recover balls (almost like a flase 9). 
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Hemed is still an enigma.

I do wonder when he looks good with some little flicks etc. and they come off is just because his control is pants and he knows it.

Unfortunately the subs we made just before Mac scored didn't suit the remainder of the game. Waine, nice crosses but probably had the best chance at the end of the game to score from a corner. In general our finishing was terrible, only 2 shots on target. 
Having watched Hemed when he played for the Rs - he could be very inconsistent/lazy. For the Phoenix, he suffers from not getting enough decent service and the team/coach not playing to his strengths. 
It's rare we play a decent cross into the box, when he holds up play - we don't have players running off him and clearly he's not fast enough to outpace the defense (a la Sotirio) so those passes are wasted. 

When given the chance, you can see he's a competent finisher, strong, good positioning (he's basically an 18 yard box striker or target man) - but he doesn't have the work ethic required for the A-League and we keep expecting him to drop deep to recover balls (almost like a flase 9). 

There is some truth in that last paragraph - however I think he has improved since his initial games when he was clearly surprised by the pace in A-League.
I would however not single him out for criticism regarding our loss against the Bulls. We were unable to break through their defence in the middle, and while we managed better from the wing the crosses into the box were aimless at best.  Rather than blaming Hemed I would say that we play best with Piscopo on the park, as shown in our games against Perth and Victory.  Our forward structure seemed to be more cohesive with Piscopo and Davila both dominating the AM zone.
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Hemed is still an enigma.

I do wonder when he looks good with some little flicks etc. and they come off is just because his control is pants and he knows it.

Unfortunately the subs we made just before Mac scored didn't suit the remainder of the game. Waine, nice crosses but probably had the best chance at the end of the game to score from a corner. In general our finishing was terrible, only 2 shots on target. 
Having watched Hemed when he played for the Rs - he could be very inconsistent/lazy. For the Phoenix, he suffers from not getting enough decent service and the team/coach not playing to his strengths. 
It's rare we play a decent cross into the box, when he holds up play - we don't have players running off him and clearly he's not fast enough to outpace the defense (a la Sotirio) so those passes are wasted. 

When given the chance, you can see he's a competent finisher, strong, good positioning (he's basically an 18 yard box striker or target man) - but he doesn't have the work ethic required for the A-League and we keep expecting him to drop deep to recover balls (almost like a flase 9). 

There is some truth in that last paragraph - however I think he has improved since his initial games when he was clearly surprised by the pace in A-League.
I would however not single him out for criticism regarding our loss against the Bulls. We were unable to break through their defence in the middle, and while we managed better from the wing the crosses into the box were aimless at best.  Rather than blaming Hemed I would say that we play best with Piscopo on the park, as shown in our games against Perth and Victory.  Our forward structure seemed to be more cohesive with Piscopo and Davila both dominating the AM zone.
Had a look at player stats here:
https://www.a-league.com.au/stats-centre#!/players

Did a comparison:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10c1-7r4QeeOSqULpl9LWl_MSN95lWiI6Vfb9If9CNIk/edit?usp=sharing

At the time of this post Hemed's min per non pen goal is worse than Waine and Ball, his shooting accuracy is worse and requires 7 shots per non pen goal compared with Waine and Ball 3 and 3.5 respectively. It's still worse when including his penalty goal. Also more min per key pass than Waine (only slightly) and Ball (significantly).

Though he is shooting at twice the frequency of Waine and Ball (just not as effectively) and his involvement in general build up play is higher than Waine - min per pass. Though passing accuracy is worse than Waine (only slightly) but significantly worse than Ball. Hemed is better in the air defensively with more clearances.

So, most of what is measured for attacking players he isn't a standout; and given his pedigree and assume much higher salary, he will be rightfully looked at more closely and have higher expectations of his performances.
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He has had two decent games. 
He seems to be a very good finisher. And a confidence player. He isn't going to make as much for himself as Hooper. Don't think the stats will show what he could contribute to us yet.

Last game we didn't create anything to put him on the end of. Plus I think he had also run out of gas a bit. 
I think though we had the team to win that, and it wasn't Ngoy or Sotirio. Ngoy has unfortunately meant less time for an in-form Waine. I think Uffie gambled on Taylor cos even with 45 he would have made a difference. Unlucky.
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I think Fenton's play is symptomatic what's going wrong, instead of taking up speed and run into miles of free space on his right side he does his 20th cutback and passes to Rufer who further slows it down with 5 touches instead of the two 2 needed. Nothing Waine did was extra ordinary, but at least he created some urgency and make defenders work.
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I think Fenton's play is symptomatic what's going wrong, instead of taking up speed and run into miles of free space on his right side he does his 20th cutback and passes to Rufer who further slows it down with 5 touches instead of the two 2 needed. Nothing Waine did was extra ordinary, but at least he created some urgency and make defenders work.

I feel like maybe Uffie wanted us to slow down the build up because McCarthur are dangerous on the counter? They would have been in the best position if it went end to end?
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I think Fenton's play is symptomatic what's going wrong, instead of taking up speed and run into miles of free space on his right side he does his 20th cutback and passes to Rufer who further slows it down with 5 touches instead of the two 2 needed. Nothing Waine did was extra ordinary, but at least he created some urgency and make defenders work.
I thought the same but I think he has clear instructions to be the more defensive FB. McGarry is basically an auxiliary winger (because, well, he can't defend)

Passing out of CM is way, way too slow though.
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Hemed is still an enigma.

I do wonder when he looks good with some little flicks etc. and they come off is just because his control is pants and he knows it.

Unfortunately the subs we made just before Mac scored didn't suit the remainder of the game. Waine, nice crosses but probably had the best chance at the end of the game to score from a corner. In general our finishing was terrible, only 2 shots on target. 
Having watched Hemed when he played for the Rs - he could be very inconsistent/lazy. For the Phoenix, he suffers from not getting enough decent service and the team/coach not playing to his strengths. 
It's rare we play a decent cross into the box, when he holds up play - we don't have players running off him and clearly he's not fast enough to outpace the defense (a la Sotirio) so those passes are wasted. 

When given the chance, you can see he's a competent finisher, strong, good positioning (he's basically an 18 yard box striker or target man) - but he doesn't have the work ethic required for the A-League and we keep expecting him to drop deep to recover balls (almost like a flase 9). 

There is some truth in that last paragraph - however I think he has improved since his initial games when he was clearly surprised by the pace in A-League.
I would however not single him out for criticism regarding our loss against the Bulls. We were unable to break through their defence in the middle, and while we managed better from the wing the crosses into the box were aimless at best.  Rather than blaming Hemed I would say that we play best with Piscopo on the park, as shown in our games against Perth and Victory.  Our forward structure seemed to be more cohesive with Piscopo and Davila both dominating the AM zone.
Had a look at player stats here:
https://www.a-league.com.au/stats-centre#!/players

Did a comparison:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10c1-7r4QeeOSqULpl9LWl_MSN95lWiI6Vfb9If9CNIk/edit?usp=sharing

At the time of this post Hemed's min per non pen goal is worse than Waine and Ball, his shooting accuracy is worse and requires 7 shots per non pen goal compared with Waine and Ball 3 and 3.5 respectively. It's still worse when including his penalty goal. Also more min per key pass than Waine (only slightly) and Ball (significantly).

Though he is shooting at twice the frequency of Waine and Ball (just not as effectively) and his involvement in general build up play is higher than Waine - min per pass. Though passing accuracy is worse than Waine (only slightly) but significantly worse than Ball. Hemed is better in the air defensively with more clearances.

So, most of what is measured for attacking players he isn't a standout; and given his pedigree and assume much higher salary, he will be rightfully looked at more closely and have higher expectations of his performances.
Stats are a very hard gauge of how much influence a player has on a game. In saying that, the stats did highlight something.  We had the highest Fouls won in the league of 211. The closest Australian team was Victory who had 161. That's won - so doesn't include those calls we feel aggrieved about. 
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Hemed is still an enigma.

I do wonder when he looks good with some little flicks etc. and they come off is just because his control is pants and he knows it.

Unfortunately the subs we made just before Mac scored didn't suit the remainder of the game. Waine, nice crosses but probably had the best chance at the end of the game to score from a corner. In general our finishing was terrible, only 2 shots on target. 
Having watched Hemed when he played for the Rs - he could be very inconsistent/lazy. For the Phoenix, he suffers from not getting enough decent service and the team/coach not playing to his strengths. 
It's rare we play a decent cross into the box, when he holds up play - we don't have players running off him and clearly he's not fast enough to outpace the defense (a la Sotirio) so those passes are wasted. 

When given the chance, you can see he's a competent finisher, strong, good positioning (he's basically an 18 yard box striker or target man) - but he doesn't have the work ethic required for the A-League and we keep expecting him to drop deep to recover balls (almost like a flase 9). 

There is some truth in that last paragraph - however I think he has improved since his initial games when he was clearly surprised by the pace in A-League.
I would however not single him out for criticism regarding our loss against the Bulls. We were unable to break through their defence in the middle, and while we managed better from the wing the crosses into the box were aimless at best.  Rather than blaming Hemed I would say that we play best with Piscopo on the park, as shown in our games against Perth and Victory.  Our forward structure seemed to be more cohesive with Piscopo and Davila both dominating the AM zone.
Had a look at player stats here:
https://www.a-league.com.au/stats-centre#!/players

Did a comparison:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10c1-7r4QeeOSqULpl9LWl_MSN95lWiI6Vfb9If9CNIk/edit?usp=sharing

At the time of this post Hemed's min per non pen goal is worse than Waine and Ball, his shooting accuracy is worse and requires 7 shots per non pen goal compared with Waine and Ball 3 and 3.5 respectively. It's still worse when including his penalty goal. Also more min per key pass than Waine (only slightly) and Ball (significantly).

Though he is shooting at twice the frequency of Waine and Ball (just not as effectively) and his involvement in general build up play is higher than Waine - min per pass. Though passing accuracy is worse than Waine (only slightly) but significantly worse than Ball. Hemed is better in the air defensively with more clearances.

So, most of what is measured for attacking players he isn't a standout; and given his pedigree and assume much higher salary, he will be rightfully looked at more closely and have higher expectations of his performances.
Stats are a very hard gauge of how much influence a player has on a game. In saying that, the stats did highlight something.  We had the highest Fouls won in the league of 211. The closest Australian team was Victory who had 161. That's won - so doesn't include those calls we feel aggrieved about. 
Yes, I saw 2ndbest highlighting that but doesn't really differentiate between our attackers in a meaningful way. If you think it does, Ball is fouled more frequently than Hemed, Waine fouled the least frequently of the 3. Hemed does foul the opposition twice as frequently as he is fouled himself, and twice as frequently as Waine and Ball. That's why I say that of the stats measured (or at least easily avaiable on the aleague website) Hemed does not stand out (often worse than Waine) when given his salary and pedigree he will have higher expectations.

Match 14 vs Macarthur | Sun 28th Mar | 6:05pm | SS7

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