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Anyone know if Ufuk is still in Sydney or if he is getting on one of the repatriation flights? Sydney is locking down until end of August. I think pre-season was supposed to start this week so we might be without Talay for at least a month of it.
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I hope you mean end of July? 
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Anyone know if Ufuk is still in Sydney or if he is getting on one of the repatriation flights? Sydney is locking down until end of August. I think pre-season was supposed to start this week so we might be without Talay for at least a month of it.
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I hope you mean end of July? 
Ryan
Anyone know if Ufuk is still in Sydney or if he is getting on one of the repatriation flights? Sydney is locking down until end of August. I think pre-season was supposed to start this week so we might be without Talay for at least a month of it.
At work people were saying it was extended until the end of August but I just looked and you're right, it's extended until the end of July.
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I hope you mean end of July? 
Ryan
Anyone know if Ufuk is still in Sydney or if he is getting on one of the repatriation flights? Sydney is locking down until end of August. I think pre-season was supposed to start this week so we might be without Talay for at least a month of it.
At work people were saying it was extended until the end of August but I just looked and you're right, it's extended until the end of July.

At this rate, it might well be August. Uffie might have to do 2 weeks in MIQ, if he can find a space.
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https://open.spotify.com/episode/2lopUFDbbYrPTTBb8rCiQi?si=f09d1b549b7e4d2a
Interview with Ufuk. Really good listen
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https://open.spotify.com/episode/2lopUFDbbYrPTTBb8rCiQi?si=f09d1b549b7e4d2a
Interview with Ufuk. Really good listen

Yipe nice listen. Good insights into what makes Uffie tick. Has a fear of flying! Also you suspect a much higher moral compass than his predecessor. I think will be looked up when he leaves (if not already), the best coach Nix have had in their short existence.

Skip to 8.30 mins in for start of interview.
Or at 36 mins in, for his time at the Nix. A lot of sympathy from interviewers Archie and Zappa about Nix's plight with Covid.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2lopUFDbbYrPTTBb8rCiQi?si=f09d1b549b7e4d2a&nd=1

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I enjoyed that listen. Genuinely comes across as a good bloke, every time I hear him. He deserves so much more from his time with us. Fudge you, covid. I really hope he stays on for another few years to get that opportunity.
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Yipe really is a case of fudge you Covid. Especially in his first season with the Nix when they should have had a home playoff. Who knows how close they would have gone to the toilet seat.

Seems to have a good relationship with Welnix, so here’s hoping season 2022/23 is a normal H&A one, and owners give Talay all he needs to have a real crack.

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Talay's gone at the end of this season - if he doesn't quit halfway through like Merrick did, and for the same reasons, i.e. the players are letting him down. 

As for the owners, the question is whether they will have enough money to do ANYTHING in 2022/23, except surrender the licence.
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wow you've woken up in a positive mood Doloras.
I dont think Talay is the type to quit mid season. He seems pretty well aware of why he cant get the players he wants/needs. Sure, he's not happy about it and its frustrating but I dont see him quitting. Besides his comments around the new mexican signing staying permanently if they can make it happen suggests Talay is still looking towards next season.

The big concern I have is whether Welnix are keen to fund a proper season in 22/23? They are haemorrhaging money and this season was hoped to bring a bit of cash in with some home games- unlikely now.
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Talay's gone at the end of this season - if he doesn't quit halfway through like Merrick did, and for the same reasons, i.e. the players are letting him down. 

As for the owners, the question is whether they will have enough money to do ANYTHING in 2022/23, except surrender the licence.

What a load of garbage
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Talay's gone at the end of this season - if he doesn't quit halfway through like Merrick did, and for the same reasons, i.e. the players are letting him down. 

As for the owners, the question is whether they will have enough money to do ANYTHING in 2022/23, except surrender the licence.
 So you were "royz" all along!
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Talay is contracted next season and welnix have given no indication that they're going to give up on the team. In fact, even though it's now clear that the team is unlikely to return from Australia, they've still signed a new, and presumably expensive, player.

If they were going to give up or let Talay walk, they wouldn't be throwing money at imports right now.I understand negative posting if there's a reason for it, but just making stuff up with absolutely no reason and despite all the evidence actually saying something else is really annoying. 
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wow you've woken up in a positive mood Doloras.
I dont think Talay is the type to quit mid season. He seems pretty well aware of why he cant get the players he wants/needs. Sure, he's not happy about it and its frustrating but I dont see him quitting. Besides his comments around the new mexican signing staying permanently if they can make it happen suggests Talay is still looking towards next season.

The big concern I have is whether Welnix are keen to fund a proper season in 22/23? They are haemorrhaging money and this season was hoped to bring a bit of cash in with some home games- unlikely now.

I would hope that the 140m investment in the league will help the Welnix in some regard financially. 
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wow you've woken up in a positive mood Doloras.
I dont think Talay is the type to quit mid season. He seems pretty well aware of why he cant get the players he wants/needs. Sure, he's not happy about it and its frustrating but I dont see him quitting. Besides his comments around the new mexican signing staying permanently if they can make it happen suggests Talay is still looking towards next season.

The big concern I have is whether Welnix are keen to fund a proper season in 22/23? They are haemorrhaging money and this season was hoped to bring a bit of cash in with some home games- unlikely now.

I would hope that the 140m investment in the league will help the Welnix in some regard financially. 
The APL has said that this money is going into expansion and marketing, not to the teams.
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wow you've woken up in a positive mood Doloras.
I dont think Talay is the type to quit mid season. He seems pretty well aware of why he cant get the players he wants/needs. Sure, he's not happy about it and its frustrating but I dont see him quitting. Besides his comments around the new mexican signing staying permanently if they can make it happen suggests Talay is still looking towards next season.

The big concern I have is whether Welnix are keen to fund a proper season in 22/23? They are haemorrhaging money and this season was hoped to bring a bit of cash in with some home games- unlikely now.

I would hope that the 140m investment in the league will help the Welnix in some regard financially. 
The APL has said that this money is going into expansion and marketing, not to the teams.

That's a hell of a marketing budget. 
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wow you've woken up in a positive mood Doloras.
I dont think Talay is the type to quit mid season. He seems pretty well aware of why he cant get the players he wants/needs. Sure, he's not happy about it and its frustrating but I dont see him quitting. Besides his comments around the new mexican signing staying permanently if they can make it happen suggests Talay is still looking towards next season.

The big concern I have is whether Welnix are keen to fund a proper season in 22/23? They are haemorrhaging money and this season was hoped to bring a bit of cash in with some home games- unlikely now.

I would hope that the 140m investment in the league will help the Welnix in some regard financially. 
The APL has said that this money is going into expansion and marketing, not to the teams.

That's a hell of a marketing budget. 
All they've said is the money is not going to the owners, they want to use it to build a new digital platform (which is where they are woeful at the moment), and will make some money available for marquees.

140 million sounds like a lot, but it's supposed to be used for long term, sustainable growth, and not be blown next year.
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"Talay is contracted next season" - like Mark Rudan and Steven Taylor, huh?
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"Talay is contracted next season" - like Mark Rudan and Steven Taylor, huh?
You're smarter than that.

Depends on the contract. Rudan seemed liked a 2nd year required both parties to agree and Taylor retired, if he now goes and joins another team I'm sure there is possible recourse the club could take (ie. Taylor not being able to be registered with his new club through FIFA). 
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Talay also has a very different moral compass I'd suggest compared to Rudan. Think his family also pretty settled in Welly (when they live there!). His 15 yr old son a GK in Weenix Academy?? Uffie enjoys working with young players, and he's got plenty of those in the Nix squad this season. 

He'll see out his contract, and who knows if in his last contracted season (2022/23) Welnix give him what he wants, and they have a real crack at the title he may stay on. But suspect if after that season one of the bigger clubs like SFC, Victory, Melb City, WSW came calling he'd be back to Aus - and you couldn't begrudge him that.

FYI - Des Buckingham, is now coaching Mumbai City in the ISL and he has them currently 1st on the table. I think it's his first permanent head coaching club gig.
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You're focusing on the one coach who left to join another team (and had a contractual outage clause) but ignoring all the other coaches that didn't. One persons behaviour doesn't mean another person will behave the same way, and history shows that most people don't. 
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Talay also has a very different moral compass I'd suggest compared to Rudan. Think his family also pretty settled in Welly (when they live there!). His 15 yr old son a GK in Weenix Academy?? Uffie enjoys working with young players, and he's got plenty of those in the Nix squad this season. 

He'll see out his contract, and who knows if in his last contracted season (2022/23) Welnix give him what he wants, and they have a real crack at the title he may stay on. But suspect if after that season one of the bigger clubs like SFC, Victory, Melb City, WSW came calling he'd be back to Aus - and you couldn't begrudge him that.

FYI - Des Buckingham, is now coaching Mumbai City in the ISL and he has them currently 1st on the table. I think it's his first permanent head coaching club gig.
Shows you who the true brains behind Melbourne City was. Hopefully we can entice him back as head coach after Talay, although - even though Des has shown a lot of loyalty to NZ and NZ Football, NZ Football hasn't done the same to Des so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't return.
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Talay also has a very different moral compass I'd suggest compared to Rudan. Think his family also pretty settled in Welly (when they live there!). His 15 yr old son a GK in Weenix Academy?? Uffie enjoys working with young players, and he's got plenty of those in the Nix squad this season. 

He'll see out his contract, and who knows if in his last contracted season (2022/23) Welnix give him what he wants, and they have a real crack at the title he may stay on. But suspect if after that season one of the bigger clubs like SFC, Victory, Melb City, WSW came calling he'd be back to Aus - and you couldn't begrudge him that.

FYI - Des Buckingham, is now coaching Mumbai City in the ISL and he has them currently 1st on the table. I think it's his first permanent head coaching club gig.
Shows you who the true brains behind Melbourne City was. Hopefully we can entice him back as head coach after Talay, although - even though Des has shown a lot of loyalty to NZ and NZ Football, NZ Football hasn't done the same to Des so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't return.

To be fair Mumbai City were last year's regular ISL season top dogs, plus won the Championship Final as well. So Des likely inherited a pretty good side.

But yeah you would hope Greeny/Nix are keeping in touch with him. With another 3-4 years coaching experience since he was last in Welly, reckon he would be a great pickup to succeed Uffy when he goes, and the planets somehow align.
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The point I'm making is that people jump off what they perceive to be a sinking ship - like the first time Taylor left us because of licence uncertainty. The Nix appear to be a sinking ship, both on the field and financially - due to COVID more than anything else. The current situation is not sustainable and it won't change this season. It won't be "immoral" for Talay not to waste any more of his time rearranging deckchairs than he has to.
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sinking ship? really?
we have very financially stable owners who are very willing to invest in the team and growing the game here. They've literally just got a women's team on the field and they have an academy which is well respected.
I think you're being a little dramatic, sure our on field performances havent been great but that will change. Our owners arent going anywhere.
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I certainly don't think we're sinking. We may be treading water till the borders open, then we will be fine.
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Taylor left Nix for India, because of all the uncertainty re the A League at the time, due to Covid. No dates about when the A League was going to start for following season, Foxtel looking to pull plug on TV rights etc etc. He got a nice lucrative offer from Odisha, knowing that his playing days were near an end, so he took it.

Was all to do with the League itself, nothing to do with any licence issues with Phoenix as a club, or Welnix owners. Nix's licence hasn't been questioned for a few years now. Not since was confirmed the club owners (where Rob Morrison is a highly respected figure) were taking over running the A League from the FFA.

It's a shark time for Welnix, but they ain't going anywhere. As Prof says a women's team & growing Academy with 20+ staff say as much.
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Yeah, Taylor left because of uncertainty about the league as a whole, not just the nix, and at that point things were dicey - the academy was closed and the team needed a government bailout. But since then the academy has grown, with Greenacre focusing just on the reserve team and other people like Falon being brought on board to look after other teams, and the women's team was created.

Dome has made it clear that the team is struggling, mainly when they were looking for a front of shirt sponsor for the women's team, but a lack of ticket sales and season memberships being down won't be helping either. However, there has also been no indication that that means they can't be competitive when they get the opportunity to recruit.

Recruitment was bad, but the Nix management and Talay have all said that was because of MIQ problems (they couldn't get non NZers through MIQ and as a NZ outfit they also couldn't get people through Australias border), not because of any other issues. Even players which we had on the books, like Piscipo and Pennington, had to wait for the team to arrive in Australia and couldn't come here for pre-season.

Also, remember, that just a few months ago we were aiming to have a team with Hemed, Hooper, Taylor, and a new South American midfielder that we thought was better than Davilla, and we also put apparently a pretty huge offer in front of Davilla for him to stay, but we just couldn't compete with the Bulls who are financed outside of the TV deal and run with a larger salary cap.
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Oscar Van Hattum didn’t disgrace himself on debut either. Ben Old seems bulked up. Waino 3 goals in 3 weeks? 2 weeks? Paulsen came in and did what was required without histrionics. 
If this is a low point the ceiling must be amazing.
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coochiee
Talay also has a very different moral compass I'd suggest compared to Rudan. Think his family also pretty settled in Welly (when they live there!). His 15 yr old son a GK in Weenix Academy?? Uffie enjoys working with young players, and he's got plenty of those in the Nix squad this season. 

He'll see out his contract, and who knows if in his last contracted season (2022/23) Welnix give him what he wants, and they have a real crack at the title he may stay on. But suspect if after that season one of the bigger clubs like SFC, Victory, Melb City, WSW came calling he'd be back to Aus - and you couldn't begrudge him that.

FYI - Des Buckingham, is now coaching Mumbai City in the ISL and he has them currently 1st on the table. I think it's his first permanent head coaching club gig.
Shows you who the true brains behind Melbourne City was. Hopefully we can entice him back as head coach after Talay, although - even though Des has shown a lot of loyalty to NZ and NZ Football, NZ Football hasn't done the same to Des so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't return.
 
If the rule around non-Australians requiring a Pro License to be head-coach in the A League persists, then Buckingham would be the only NZ-ish coach feasible after Talay, and even then he isn’t really a New Zealand coach. The highest coaching qualification you can get in NZ is an A License, so unless they fund a year long course overseas, they won’t meet the qualifications requirements. 

That means you’ll typically be stuck with either the overseas coaches with the Pro, or NPL coaches on an A, and both will not see the Phoenix as a ‘destination’ club and won’t stick around for longer than they need. Though it doesn’t help that there aren’t many teams this side that want to hire NZ coaches either, for example, of the 10 teams that were meant to be in the National League, only Eastern Suburbs, in Hoani Edwards, had a New Zealander as head coach, and most are English.
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Also Uffie has seen how kiwis will respond to his success. A packed home final in Welly is like a WC play off game. It will go off. It will really be something special. He’s got 1 1/2 chances at least I reckon. 
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The point I'm making is that people jump off what they perceive to be a sinking ship - like the first time Taylor left us because of licence uncertainty. The Nix appear to be a sinking ship, both on the field and financially - due to COVID more than anything else. The current situation is not sustainable and it won't change this season. It won't be "immoral" for Talay not to waste any more of his time rearranging deckchairs than he has to.

Is there an 'ignore' button on this forum? Asking for a friend. 
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Western Sydney Wanderers have reportedly targeted Ufuk if Rudan fails. Highly doubt Talay will leave with 1 year left on his contract.

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/talay-target-for-a-league-swap-if-rudan-flops-at-wanderers-575971
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Western Sydney Wanderers have reportedly targeted Ufuk if Rudan fails. Highly doubt Talay will leave with 1 year left on his contract.

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/talay-target-for-a-league-swap-if-rudan-flops-at-wanderers-575971
And why would you leave Wellington for WSW at the moment? That team has been a shambles for years and doesn't look like it's getting any better.
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Why one might go to WSW is because the potential there is huge.
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Why one might go to WSW is because the potential there is huge.
Best training facilities in the league apparently.
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Why one might go to WSW is because the potential there is huge.
Best training facilities in the league apparently.
By all accounts the leadership structure is toxic as hell - would be one of the main reasons they could ignore Rudan's transgressions.

Really hard to build any kind of successful team in that environment, regardless of training facilities. 
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we've said this all before regarding our manager/coach not leaving - Rudan left for a better deal at WU even though he promised he wouldnt. We trusted him and he left with our captain and our keeper.
I hope Talay has better values and sees his contract out with us, but even with the toxicity at WSW and teh crap feel over there they do offer one thing we can't at the moment - playing at home and security of not being in a hotel for 2 years. I'd like to think that the Nix guys would be taking to Talay about being with the team longer maybe on a decent 3-4 year deal. He's started something here and it would be nice to see it carry on, build a legacy so to speak. 
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we've said this all before regarding our manager/coach not leaving - Rudan left for a better deal at WU even though he promised he wouldnt. We trusted him and he left with our captain and our keeper.
I hope Talay has better values and sees his contract out with us, but even with the toxicity at WSW and teh crap feel over there they do offer one thing we can't at the moment - playing at home and security of not being in a hotel for 2 years. I'd like to think that the Nix guys would be taking to Talay about being with the team longer maybe on a decent 3-4 year deal. He's started something here and it would be nice to see it carry on, build a legacy so to speak. 

He's also born & bred Western Sydney. Started his playing career at Marconi-Fairfield. He'll have family and all sorts of connections still to the area.

WSW are a club with loads of potential, and if he could turn it around there, get them back to where they were under Poppa, he'd make a real name for himself. It would be a tempting gig for sure, but every interview I've seen Talay do he comes across as having good integrity. I have faith he'll still be Nix coach next season, as long as Welnix promise to give him the visa players he'll ask for.

But I don't really see him staying in Welly beyond his contract. He's a Sydneysider and he'll bank on one of the gigs at WSW, SFC or Macarthur becoming available about the time his Nix contract finishes.

Des should be the target for Welnix beyond 2022/23.
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does Des have the coaching certs required?

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