WPM 2021/22 Squad Speculation, Confirmation and Mutual Termination

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Ott has been pretty prolific at league level. Will be interesting to see if he can make the step up.
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Ott has been pretty prolific at league level. Will be interesting to see if he can make the step up.

Happy enough with these guys getting scholarship deals. Add's another couple of Kiwis to the pro ranks and I'm sure they'll both get their chance to prove themselves when the time comes.

Good signings guys? I don't live in Wellington so it's not really my position to give critiques on how they've been playing.
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MetalLegNZ
Ott has been pretty prolific at league level. Will be interesting to see if he can make the step up.

Happy enough with these guys getting scholarship deals. Add's another couple of Kiwis to the pro ranks and I'm sure they'll both get their chance to prove themselves when the time comes.

Good signings guys? I don't live in Wellington so it's not really my position to give critiques on how they've been playing.
I saw Ott playing, seem to score and Uffi rates him, but he does not get me excited at all.
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MetalLegNZ
Ott has been pretty prolific at league level. Will be interesting to see if he can make the step up.
Did well for the WeeNix last season, big, strong & held up the ball well. Hopefully has gained some pace since then 
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Mogg is a terrible defender, doesn’t like to tackle and is slow. He will get destroyed at A-League level. I’m guessing he’s in given his leadership status within the Reserves. 
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ChopperNZ
Mogg is a terrible defender, doesn’t like to tackle and is slow. He will get destroyed at A-League level. I’m guessing he’s in given his leadership status within the Reserves. 

In other words, a natural backup for Rufer.
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Rufer is a more than servicable A League quality player. If Mogg is as good as him, then we will have a good player on our hands.

I think people under estimate the A League and its strength, because it is the A League at times.
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ChopperNZ
Mogg is a terrible defender, doesn’t like to tackle and is slow. He will get destroyed at A-League level. I’m guessing he’s in given his leadership status within the Reserves. 

In Chopper's defence, he knows a bad defender when he sees one - usually in the mirror.
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Makes sense to have these guys on scholarship deals if they are expected to be based in Aus for some time not being able to earn a living. 
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Maybe my words are a little harsh. I just don’t like to think that there’s superior defenders in the Handa who didn’t get a look in because they’re not tied into the Nix setup. 
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such as?
if they were good enough I'd have thought Uffie would have been aware of them and would have made an approach.
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ChopperNZ
Maybe my words are a little harsh. I just don’t like to think that there’s superior defenders in the Handa who didn’t get a look in because they’re not tied into the Nix setup. 
Well I think there simply are but it's likely a myriad of reasons behind it. Are they as young as Mogg? Have they had the same professional training experience and development? Do they want to play for the Nix as much as him? Were their clubs as willing to let them sign? What would their wages be?

I know you're talking about Kaltak, Mitchell, Mata, Schrijvers sort of class, and honestly I agree that I wish we looked more at the domestic league, but there's also far more complications for the Nix doing that than simply pushing through the best of the academy players. 
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ChopperNZ
Maybe my words are a little harsh. I just don’t like to think that there’s superior defenders in the Handa who didn’t get a look in because they’re not tied into the Nix setup. 
Well I think there simply are but it's likely a myriad of reasons behind it. Are they as young as Mogg? Have they had the same professional training experience and development? Do they want to play for the Nix as much as him? Were their clubs as willing to let them sign? What would their wages be?

I know you're talking about Kaltak, Mitchell, Mata, Schrijvers sort of class, and honestly I agree that I wish we looked more at the domestic league, but there's also far more complications for the Nix doing that than simply pushing through the best of the academy players. 
A smart Nix Academy is about identifying and backing young players, Giving them opportunities, , see if they have the quality, if so sell them on/get them opportunities abroad. Aka academy players like Libbie Cacace, Sarpreet Singh, Isn't this what that is about. 
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ChopperNZ
Maybe my words are a little harsh. I just don’t like to think that there’s superior defenders in the Handa who didn’t get a look in because they’re not tied into the Nix setup. 
Well I think there simply are but it's likely a myriad of reasons behind it. Are they as young as Mogg? Have they had the same professional training experience and development? Do they want to play for the Nix as much as him? Were their clubs as willing to let them sign? What would their wages be?

I know you're talking about Kaltak, Mitchell, Mata, Schrijvers sort of class, and honestly I agree that I wish we looked more at the domestic league, but there's also far more complications for the Nix doing that than simply pushing through the best of the academy players. 

They also signed them on scholarship deals which doesn't contribute to our squad numbers so we could potentially sign more players in jan
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theprof
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if they were good enough I'd have thought Uffie would have been aware of them and would have made an approach.
Mogg's good, but there are certainly more gifted young defenders than Mogg playing domestically. He's very tenacious and a fantastic leader, very well respected by the staff and teammates, so that gives him an edge
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ChopperNZ
Maybe my words are a little harsh. I just don’t like to think that there’s superior defenders in the Handa who didn’t get a look in because they’re not tied into the Nix setup. 
Well I think there simply are but it's likely a myriad of reasons behind it. Are they as young as Mogg? Have they had the same professional training experience and development? Do they want to play for the Nix as much as him? Were their clubs as willing to let them sign? What would their wages be?

I know you're talking about Kaltak, Mitchell, Mata, Schrijvers sort of class, and honestly I agree that I wish we looked more at the domestic league, but there's also far more complications for the Nix doing that than simply pushing through the best of the academy players. 
Mogg, age 20, Citizenship: England, Kaltak, age 28, Citizenship: Vanuatu, Mitchell, age 25, Citizenship: New Zealand, Schrijvers, age 24, Citizenship: New Zealand.  Can't imagine the clubs would hold any player back from joining the Phoenix.
Becoming very similar to what it used to be to make a National Team .
If you aren't in Auckland you won't get looked at and now we have similar for National teams and the Phoenix - If you aren't in the Phoenix Academy or Ole and have paid heaps of $$$$ to be there or if you have played at some non descript low level club overseas and got very little game- you won't get looked at.( seems irrelevant if there are better players available).
Is now a user pays system to make these teams.
They seen to have blinkers on when it comes to players who have not taken their route.


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Mossimo
lthomas20
ChopperNZ
Maybe my words are a little harsh. I just don’t like to think that there’s superior defenders in the Handa who didn’t get a look in because they’re not tied into the Nix setup. 
Well I think there simply are but it's likely a myriad of reasons behind it. Are they as young as Mogg? Have they had the same professional training experience and development? Do they want to play for the Nix as much as him? Were their clubs as willing to let them sign? What would their wages be?

I know you're talking about Kaltak, Mitchell, Mata, Schrijvers sort of class, and honestly I agree that I wish we looked more at the domestic league, but there's also far more complications for the Nix doing that than simply pushing through the best of the academy players. 
Mogg, age 20, Citizenship: England, Kaltak, age 28, Citizenship: Vanuatu, Mitchell, age 25, Citizenship: New Zealand, Schrijvers, age 24, Citizenship: New Zealand.  Can't imagine the clubs would hold any player back from joining the Phoenix.
Becoming very similar to what it used to be to make a National Team .
If you aren't in Auckland you won't get looked at and now we have similar for National teams and the Phoenix - If you aren't in the Phoenix Academy or Ole and have paid heaps of $$$$ to be there or if you have played at some non descript low level club overseas and got very little game- you won't get looked at.( seems irrelevant if there are better players available).
Is now a user pays system to make these teams.
They seen to have blinkers on when it comes to players who have not taken their route.


Think it would be huge for NZF and important to get an A-League team in Auckland... having only one team does narrow the opportunities a lot. 
WeeNix
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lthomas20
Mossimo
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ChopperNZ
Maybe my words are a little harsh. I just don’t like to think that there’s superior defenders in the Handa who didn’t get a look in because they’re not tied into the Nix setup. 
Well I think there simply are but it's likely a myriad of reasons behind it. Are they as young as Mogg? Have they had the same professional training experience and development? Do they want to play for the Nix as much as him? Were their clubs as willing to let them sign? What would their wages be?

I know you're talking about Kaltak, Mitchell, Mata, Schrijvers sort of class, and honestly I agree that I wish we looked more at the domestic league, but there's also far more complications for the Nix doing that than simply pushing through the best of the academy players. 
Mogg, age 20, Citizenship: England, Kaltak, age 28, Citizenship: Vanuatu, Mitchell, age 25, Citizenship: New Zealand, Schrijvers, age 24, Citizenship: New Zealand.  Can't imagine the clubs would hold any player back from joining the Phoenix.
Becoming very similar to what it used to be to make a National Team .
If you aren't in Auckland you won't get looked at and now we have similar for National teams and the Phoenix - If you aren't in the Phoenix Academy or Ole and have paid heaps of $$$$ to be there or if you have played at some non descript low level club overseas and got very little game- you won't get looked at.( seems irrelevant if there are better players available).
Is now a user pays system to make these teams.
They seen to have blinkers on when it comes to players who have not taken their route.


Think it would be huge for NZF and important to get an A-League team in Auckland... having only one team does narrow the opportunities a lot. 

What investor in their right mind would start an A-league team in Auckland given a) their past and b) the economic/travel uncertainties from COVID. Agree though, I would like to see an Auckland team, I just question the feasibility. 
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Of course the phoenix are going to prefer players that they develop in their academy, that's why they have an academy in the first place. 
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lthomas20
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ChopperNZ
Maybe my words are a little harsh. I just don’t like to think that there’s superior defenders in the Handa who didn’t get a look in because they’re not tied into the Nix setup. 
Well I think there simply are but it's likely a myriad of reasons behind it. Are they as young as Mogg? Have they had the same professional training experience and development? Do they want to play for the Nix as much as him? Were their clubs as willing to let them sign? What would their wages be?

I know you're talking about Kaltak, Mitchell, Mata, Schrijvers sort of class, and honestly I agree that I wish we looked more at the domestic league, but there's also far more complications for the Nix doing that than simply pushing through the best of the academy players. 
Mogg, age 20, Citizenship: England, Kaltak, age 28, Citizenship: Vanuatu, Mitchell, age 25, Citizenship: New Zealand, Schrijvers, age 24, Citizenship: New Zealand.  Can't imagine the clubs would hold any player back from joining the Phoenix.
Becoming very similar to what it used to be to make a National Team .
If you aren't in Auckland you won't get looked at and now we have similar for National teams and the Phoenix - If you aren't in the Phoenix Academy or Ole and have paid heaps of $$$$ to be there or if you have played at some non descript low level club overseas and got very little game- you won't get looked at.( seems irrelevant if there are better players available).
Is now a user pays system to make these teams.
They seen to have blinkers on when it comes to players who have not taken their route.


Think it would be huge for NZF and important to get an A-League team in Auckland... having only one team does narrow the opportunities a lot. 

What investor in their right mind would start an A-league team in Auckland given a) their past and b) the economic/travel uncertainties from COVID. Agree though, I would like to see an Auckland team, I just question the feasibility. 
It's a massive city with a massive base of people that play and support football? If you had investors with backing they'd hit numbers at least as good as the Nix. 

But go off then, write them off because of a wooden spoon NZ branded team that wasn't popular 16 years ago. 
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Mossimo
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ChopperNZ
Maybe my words are a little harsh. I just don’t like to think that there’s superior defenders in the Handa who didn’t get a look in because they’re not tied into the Nix setup. 
Well I think there simply are but it's likely a myriad of reasons behind it. Are they as young as Mogg? Have they had the same professional training experience and development? Do they want to play for the Nix as much as him? Were their clubs as willing to let them sign? What would their wages be?

I know you're talking about Kaltak, Mitchell, Mata, Schrijvers sort of class, and honestly I agree that I wish we looked more at the domestic league, but there's also far more complications for the Nix doing that than simply pushing through the best of the academy players. 
Mogg, age 20, Citizenship: England, Kaltak, age 28, Citizenship: Vanuatu, Mitchell, age 25, Citizenship: New Zealand, Schrijvers, age 24, Citizenship: New Zealand.  Can't imagine the clubs would hold any player back from joining the Phoenix.
Becoming very similar to what it used to be to make a National Team .
If you aren't in Auckland you won't get looked at and now we have similar for National teams and the Phoenix - If you aren't in the Phoenix Academy or Ole and have paid heaps of $$$$ to be there or if you have played at some non descript low level club overseas and got very little game- you won't get looked at.( seems irrelevant if there are better players available).
Is now a user pays system to make these teams.
They seen to have blinkers on when it comes to players who have not taken their route.


Kaltak, Mitchell & Schrijvers are all too old for the Scholarship contract Mogg got. That is an u23 option & is paid based on the players age, so Mogg is a cheaper option to make up the numbers whilst we are in Aussie.
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ChopperNZ
Maybe my words are a little harsh. I just don’t like to think that there’s superior defenders in the Handa who didn’t get a look in because they’re not tied into the Nix setup. 
Well I think there simply are but it's likely a myriad of reasons behind it. Are they as young as Mogg? Have they had the same professional training experience and development? Do they want to play for the Nix as much as him? Were their clubs as willing to let them sign? What would their wages be?

I know you're talking about Kaltak, Mitchell, Mata, Schrijvers sort of class, and honestly I agree that I wish we looked more at the domestic league, but there's also far more complications for the Nix doing that than simply pushing through the best of the academy players. 
Mogg, age 20, Citizenship: England, Kaltak, age 28, Citizenship: Vanuatu, Mitchell, age 25, Citizenship: New Zealand, Schrijvers, age 24, Citizenship: New Zealand.  Can't imagine the clubs would hold any player back from joining the Phoenix.
Becoming very similar to what it used to be to make a National Team .
If you aren't in Auckland you won't get looked at and now we have similar for National teams and the Phoenix - If you aren't in the Phoenix Academy or Ole and have paid heaps of $$$$ to be there or if you have played at some non descript low level club overseas and got very little game- you won't get looked at.( seems irrelevant if there are better players available).
Is now a user pays system to make these teams.
They seen to have blinkers on when it comes to players who have not taken their route.


Kaltak, Mitchell & Schrijvers are all too old for the Scholarship contract Mogg got. That is an u23 option & is paid based on the players age, so Mogg is a cheaper option to make up the numbers whilst we are in Aussie.

And would also seem to be the whole point of a scholarship contract- in a normal season we’re not expecting these guys to get many minutes, but they will most likely be working full time training.
You can’t expect someone who is competing for a start and expecting plenty of minutes off the bench or through injury/suspension, as everyone seems to be suggesting Kaltak et al would be, to come into the team and get paid less. 
If they don’t win a full contract immediately they might get an injury replacement contract or the like later. Also bear in mind that it may be difficult to trial or simply get out of Auckland etc too right now.
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They have been signed on scholarship deals, the rules for a scholarship contract:

Scholarship Players – Each Club can contract up to 9 under 23 Australian Players on the national minimum wage. Any payments above the national minimum wage to these Players are included in the Club’s Salary Cap;
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martinb
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ChopperNZ
Maybe my words are a little harsh. I just don’t like to think that there’s superior defenders in the Handa who didn’t get a look in because they’re not tied into the Nix setup. 
Well I think there simply are but it's likely a myriad of reasons behind it. Are they as young as Mogg? Have they had the same professional training experience and development? Do they want to play for the Nix as much as him? Were their clubs as willing to let them sign? What would their wages be?

I know you're talking about Kaltak, Mitchell, Mata, Schrijvers sort of class, and honestly I agree that I wish we looked more at the domestic league, but there's also far more complications for the Nix doing that than simply pushing through the best of the academy players. 
Mogg, age 20, Citizenship: England, Kaltak, age 28, Citizenship: Vanuatu, Mitchell, age 25, Citizenship: New Zealand, Schrijvers, age 24, Citizenship: New Zealand.  Can't imagine the clubs would hold any player back from joining the Phoenix.
Becoming very similar to what it used to be to make a National Team .
If you aren't in Auckland you won't get looked at and now we have similar for National teams and the Phoenix - If you aren't in the Phoenix Academy or Ole and have paid heaps of $$$$ to be there or if you have played at some non descript low level club overseas and got very little game- you won't get looked at.( seems irrelevant if there are better players available).
Is now a user pays system to make these teams.
They seen to have blinkers on when it comes to players who have not taken their route.


Kaltak, Mitchell & Schrijvers are all too old for the Scholarship contract Mogg got. That is an u23 option & is paid based on the players age, so Mogg is a cheaper option to make up the numbers whilst we are in Aussie.

And would also seem to be the whole point of a scholarship contract- in a normal season we’re not expecting these guys to get many minutes, but they will most likely be working full time training.
You can’t expect someone who is competing for a start and expecting plenty of minutes off the bench or through injury/suspension, as everyone seems to be suggesting Kaltak et al would be, to come into the team and get paid less. 
If they don’t win a full contract immediately they might get an injury replacement contract or the like later. Also bear in mind that it may be difficult to trial or simply get out of Auckland etc too right now.

As Mogg is showing as citizenship as England would he take an import spot should he eventually be signed? Presume he has residency here.
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Mogg has been in NZ since he was 9yrs old & trained with the NZ u17 squad in the past, so must have the NZ Passport needed.
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Dear god, what a load of bollocks. "Wellington only".

- Tim Payne, totally Wellington
- Clayton Lewis, Wellington born and bred but signed from Auckland City
- Oli Sail - Auckland
- Ben Old - Auckland
- Sam Sutton - Auckland
- James McGarry - Dunedin
- Callan Elliot - Nelson

The countries two best youth set-ups are in Wellington so players from all around the country end up playing in Wellington and get seen by the Phoenix, to claim it's a Wellington only set-up is ignorant as is championing aging subpar National League players.

The best Handy Prem team in the final years was Team Wellington, Eastern Suburbs had to buy in a team of Wellington trained players and the real coach of the side to win a title.

in this years Chatham Cup North Shore is the only Auckland team in the final four.

For a population greater than the rest of the country Auckland has become a passenger in player development.
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We’re guna win the league 
We’re guna win the league
Don’t give a f- about Sydney 
We’re guna win the league!

Winston a free agent right?
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Lamine Kone is still a free agent and still following the Nix 
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Starting to get excited about the season now. Primarily because I have no idea what to expect. Fingers crossed the irons ufuk has in the fire come to fruition!
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Guessing we are looking at another Mexican
One in a million
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Guessing we are looking at another Mexican

Ex...ci...ting
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Guessing we are looking at another Mexican
Someone from the MLS ?
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Guessing we are looking at another Mexican
Someone from the MLS ?

Someone good who may stay on beyond one season?
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Guessing we are looking at another Mexican
Someone from the MLS ?
That is another league finishing up. I'm just guessing Mexican cuz we signed Davila & then looked to replace him with another guy from Mexico before pulling out of that.
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Guessing we are looking at another Mexican
Someone from the MLS ?

Someone good who may stay on beyond one season?


Would be the most important thing IMO. Do we also have to deal with uffies contract next summer too or did he sign an extension?
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WPM 2021/22 Squad Speculation, Confirmation and Mutual Termination