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Can anyone shed any light on this?  

https://westcoastrangers.co.nz/west-coast-rangers-fc-news/thanks-for-everything-albert

With Jose leaving Auckland City, Albert has been appointed First Team coach.

Auckland City FC name Albert Riera as head coach - Auckland City FC
 
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That's the "overseas club"?
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My point was what happened to the overseas job? 
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Can anyone shed any light on this?  

https://westcoastrangers.co.nz/west-coast-rangers-fc-news/thanks-for-everything-albert

With Jose leaving Auckland City, Albert has been appointed First Team coach.

Auckland City FC name Albert Riera as head coach - Auckland City FC
 
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That's the "overseas club"?
Overharbour club.
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The Republic of Sandringham declared independence last week
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Auckland United F.C. is delighted to announce the appointment of Jose Figueira as Men’s Premier Head Coach and Academy Director.
Auckland United appoint Jose Figueira — Auckland United F.C (aucklandunitedfc.org.nz)

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https://aucklandunitedfc.org.nz/news/2021/12/5/auckland-united-appoint-jose-figueira

I'm honestly surprised José has gone to United. I play for the club so was aware United's manager Miya had gone overseas, but don't think José would have joined ACFC's rivals. 
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https://aucklandunitedfc.org.nz/news/2021/12/5/auckland-united-appoint-jose-figueira

I'm honestly surprised José has gone to United. I play for the club so was aware United's manager Miya had gone overseas, but don't think José would have joined ACFC's rivals. 
Auckland City didn't want to keep him on, why would he care about a rivalry in amateur New Zealand club football, if you can call a matchup that's happened once a rivalry?
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TreeFiddy
https://aucklandunitedfc.org.nz/news/2021/12/5/auckland-united-appoint-jose-figueira

I'm honestly surprised José has gone to United. I play for the club so was aware United's manager Miya had gone overseas, but don't think José would have joined ACFC's rivals. 
Auckland City didn't want to keep him on, why would he care about a rivalry in amateur New Zealand club football, if you can call a matchup that's happened once a rivalry?

Cos he has bills to pay
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Presumably a few players will follow?
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Presumably a few players will follow?

Not many you’d think with ACFC going to CWC early 2022 (2021 version), and maybe qualifying for 2022 version later in the year.
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Ramon has finally signed a pro-gig in at FC Akron in Togliatti, Samara, Russia - a place which you can pretty much call Russia's Detroit, with all the positive and negative connotations associated with that. I think it's in the Russian second division. 

Anyway, good luck to him - I wonder if that means he's finally got his coaching badges.
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Ramon has finally signed a pro-gig in at FC Akron in Togliatti, Samara, Russia - a place which you can pretty much call Russia's Detroit, with all the positive and negative connotations associated with that. I think it's in the Russian second division. 

Anyway, good luck to him - I wonder if that means he's finally got his coaching badges.

he has sorted his badges
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Did anyone watch much of West Coast Rangers last season? What are the thoughts on Riera taking over? Did he set the team up well etc, but had lower quality players?
I really like Riera as a player, but this feels like a big step up for him.

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Not surprisingly Auckland City have withdrwn from the Club World Cup - quarantine/MIQ requirements. Been replaced by AS Pirae from Tahiti on "sporting merit" Not sure of OFC's criteria but suspect that it may have only been Tahitian or New Caledonia sides that were able to travel ? No CWC for the 3rd year must be having a major impact on ACFC's business model ?
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Ryan De Vries back at City, along with a new addition from Western Suburbs, Liam Gillion. 

https://www.aucklandcityfc.com/news/1585/12/De-Vries-catches-the-eye-in-friendly-win-/
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Joseph Lee in from North Shore and Christian Gray in from Eastern Suburbs as well. 

Rest of the squad much of a muchness a lot of continuity from previous seasons. 
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NZ'S MOST SUCCESSFUL CLUB FOOTBALL COACH OF ALL TIME QUITS RUSSIAN CLUB OVER UKRAINE INVASION:
Former Auckland City coach Ramon Tribulietx has quit the ambitious Russian second tier club FC Akron Togliatti he signed on to coach in December due to the Russian attack on the Ukraine, along with all of his coaching staff and most of their foreign players, including former Auckland City midfielder Fabrizio Tavano, a Mexican Kiwi who played for Auckland City in our national league and in the FIFA Club World Cup.
Tribulietx was at Auckland City 2008 - 2019 (seven FIFA Club World Cups; third place finish 2014)
Club owner Pavel Morozov on the club's website last week:
"Foreign specialists are not ready to cooperate with the club because of the events in Ukraine.
Since the beginning of autumn, a lot of work has been done to attract foreign specialists to implement the club's strategy aimed at achieving significant results and developing children's and youth football in Togliatti and the Samara region.
Unfortunately, due to circumstances beyond the control of the club and specialists, not related to football, further work with the club will not be able to continue: technical director Ramon Tribulech, head of physical training Alejandro Segovia Vilchez, goalkeeping coach Matteo Zhugai, coaches Marko Djordjevic and Yagiz Chekem, and also technical director of the Academy Hugo Klingor.
We look forward to achieving peace as soon as possible."

Former Auckland City player, Mexican Kiwi Fabrizio Tavano, who played in our national league and the FIFA Club World Cup, has also quit FC Akron: 

Former Auckland City midfielder Fabrizio Tavano leaves Russian second-tier club FC Akron "due to the events in Ukraine" five days after signing.

Russian club website Dec. 10 2021 about Ramon's signing as head coach:
RAMON TRIBULIETCH BECOMES NEW HEAD COACH OF FC AKRON
"Ramon will join the team at the training camp and begin preparations for the second part of the Olymp-FNL season. The contract was signed for 2.5 years. The coaching staff will be formed in the near future.
Ramon Tribulletch began his coaching career in 2005 in his homeland of Spain. In 2008, the specialist moved to New Zealand and joined the Auckland City coaching staff. Since 2010, Ramon has been the head coach of the team, in this role he managed to win the Oceania Champions League seven times, win the New Zealand Championship three times and win bronze medals in the Club World Championship. 
Club sporting director Chris Docherty spoke about the search for a new head coach:
“We went through a rigorous selection process which left us with a few candidates with experience in the top divisions. Ramon was ideally suited to the vision of the further development of the club. He is a very experienced specialist, for example, he has the most matches in the FIFA Club World Cup. During the interview, I asked a lot of specific questions about tactics and the training process, and the answers convinced me that Ramon is obsessed with tactical nuances. In my opinion, this is the hallmark of a top coach. We already have a squad that is able to play first and control the ball. I am confident that Ramon will be able to adapt our playing model and take the club to the next level. Nothing can change overnight, but I am confident that over time, FC Akron under Ramon will be able to achieve results and still play in an attractive,
Comment from our new head coach:
“Chris contacted me, told me about the project, which immediately interested me. The main goal is the Premier League - and this is one of the things that motivates me. Yes, this is a difficult task, but we will go to it step by step. The ambitions and philosophy of the club are close to me, so I accepted the offer. I have already watched a lot of the team's games and I have an idea about the style and level of the FNL, about the Akron players and the club's playing philosophy."
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Well-written but weird article. Comes in with a pretense and tries its best to arouse suspicion, yet the content doesn't actually prove anything.

Instead of targeting a club, which inevitably manifests as envy, it would be more relevant to raise broader questions about the morality or legitimacy of these coaching and pokie payments. Good summary of the state of NZ football otherwise
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I disagree. I think the article asks pretty specific questions which aren't answered. If they had been, the 'suspicions' could easy be proven wrong. As things stand, this makes a compelling case for double dipping and the team gaining and unfair advantage. I don't even care about the NL anymore. Haven't been to a single match since they did away with my beloved Team Wellington and all the other franchises, but credit where it is due. 
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I disagree. I think the article asks pretty specific questions which aren't answered. If they had been, the 'suspicions' could easy be proven wrong. As things stand, this makes a compelling case for double dipping and the team gaining and unfair advantage. I don't even care about the NL anymore. Haven't been to a single match since they did away with my beloved Team Wellington and all the other franchises, but credit where it is due. 

True, but I reckon it sets out to frame the lack of answers as worthy of suspicion. Fair to be suspicious - I mean it's definitely obvious clubs are skirting around the APA as much as possible. However, as a dirty JAFA I just felt it was a little off to target one club; as it stands I believe only two Northern League don't reimburse players for coaching, and there's certainly other clubs around the nation just as, if not more egregious as ACFC without the success to back it up

ACFC won't want to come out and explicitly say "yeah, we pay this guy $150k to coach" so I kinda understand the silence
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Can someone with a long memory tell me whether National League-level football in this country has always had amateur regulations? Or was that something brought in in the Smokefree era because clubs needed charitable funding to survive? I was under the impression that in the 80s and 90s clubs would openly play for players, esp. Brits on a working holiday
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I disagree. I think the article asks pretty specific questions which aren't answered. If they had been, the 'suspicions' could easy be proven wrong. As things stand, this makes a compelling case for double dipping and the team gaining and unfair advantage. I don't even care about the NL anymore. Haven't been to a single match since they did away with my beloved Team Wellington and all the other franchises, but credit where it is due. 

True, but I reckon it sets out to frame the lack of answers as worthy of suspicion. Fair to be suspicious - I mean it's definitely obvious clubs are skirting around the APA as much as possible. However, as a dirty JAFA I just felt it was a little off to target one club; as it stands I believe only two Northern League don't reimburse players for coaching, and there's certainly other clubs around the nation just as, if not more egregious as ACFC without the success to back it up

ACFC won't want to come out and explicitly say "yeah, we pay this guy $150k to coach" so I kinda understand the silence

I think they are good questions and to be honest I'm comfortable with ACFC being targeted - it makes sense to target those at the sharp point of an issue and if issues are found plenty below them will fall into line sharply.
The privacy thing is a bit naff - they could answer some of these questions without linking them to players or coaches or adminstrators.  They just want this line of questioning to go away because this reporter can smell smoke.
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This is the same reporter who has written two good and detailed articles on the current state of play in Christchurch a few weeks ago. You can read these articles here and here

For me it's more of the same, lots of suspicions but no proof as you can't look at bank accounts, see through the contents of paper bags full of cash, or get club officials to be honest in their actions and statements.
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A Christchurch based journalist interviewing his keyboard and google stalking isn't going to get far.  Do they train at 2pm in the middle of the working day, or do they train at 7pm at night?  As for wether players have other jobs, look closely at the advertisements for St Johns  next time it is on the telly (or look the ads up on you-tube). 
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Definitely some investigative journalism closer to the source (in Auckland) could be very interesting..
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It came in when an NZ team joined the Aussie league. Basically FIFA said that it would only be allowed if there was no pro league in NZ. So NZF declared that the National League was amateur.
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I think it's a very good article.

Martin has obviously gone fishing and not really found adequate answers, and is presenting them back here. I think he's discovered enough to justify putting the spotlight on Auckland, Central, and - particularly - Trillian. I think Martin is hoping someone has a read of the article whom can tip him off further.

I do wish he explored the coaching side of it a bit more. A little bit of work could've garnered which players coach which junior teams, and maybe start working out how much time is actually put in (or isn't).
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It came in when an NZ team joined the Aussie league. Basically FIFA said that it would only be allowed if there was no pro league in NZ. So NZF declared that the National League was amateur.
Can someone confirm, preferably with a source?
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FIFA only ever allowed a NZ team into the Aussie League from the days of the Kingz and through the Knights and the Phoenix on the basis that they had no professional league to play in.Not sure where you would find this in writing - probably in amongst the various license granting/documentation for the NSL /A league. As a result any NZ National League has to be amateur.
Similar situation I think  in a couple of places in Europe - can't name them specifically but might be Andorra , San Marino , etc.
If a professional league existed in NZ then the Phoenix would be out of the A League in very short order I would think.
As an aside not sure how that works for Canadian teams in MLS (at least they are in the same confederation) 
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FIFA only ever allowed a NZ team into the Aussie League from the days of the Kingz and through the Knights and the Phoenix on the basis that they had no professional league to play in.Not sure where you would find this in writing - probably in amongst the various license granting/documentation for the NSL /A league. As a result any NZ National League has to be amateur.
Similar situation I think  in a couple of places in Europe - can't name them specifically but might be Andorra , San Marino , etc.
If a professional league existed in NZ then the Phoenix would be out of the A League in very short order I would think.
As an aside not sure how that works for Canadian teams in MLS (at least they are in the same confederation) 
Thats very interesting, thanks. The Aussie NPL is paying big money I hear, so it seems a bit of double standards ?
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I just need source on the assertion that the main reason the National League is "declared amateur" is because of the Kings/Knights/Phoenix. My feeling was that it had more to do with "clubs can't survive without pokies money post-tobacco sponsorship". I suppose what I need is confirmation of when our National League was declared to be amateur - or was it always? Weren't teams fielding openly professional players in the 80s and 90s? But the tobacco money ran out at about the time the Kingz joined the NSL, so maybe the timelines coincide.
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I just need source on the assertion that the main reason the National League is "declared amateur" is because of the Kings/Knights/Phoenix. My feeling was that it had more to do with "clubs can't survive without pokies money post-tobacco sponsorship". I suppose what I need is confirmation of when our National League was declared to be amateur - or was it always? Weren't teams fielding openly professional players in the 80s and 90s? But the tobacco money ran out at about the time the Kingz joined the NSL, so maybe the timelines coincide.
It's close but not quite - 

Tobacco sponsorship finished in 1995 - the first Summer National League was called the Smokefree National League (Smokefree was the government agency set up to help tobacco sponsored sports transition to new sponsors)

The Kingz came into being in 1999 and that was when NZF (or NZS as they were at that time) declared the league amateur. If they hadn't the Kingz wouldn't have been able to play in the Aussie NPL. 

The way pokie machine money was distributed and the current rules about sports clubs being amateur etc was changed with the gambling act in 2003
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Thanks! That answers my main question. 

Am I wrong in thinking that - even if the primary reason for the "shamateurism" is to keep the Nix in the A-League - there's a secondary motivation for the amateur regs, and the reason why they were strengthened when the current club-based league started - i.e. to prevent a "player payments arms race" of the kind which, I believe, used to drive clubs bankrupt in the 80s and 90s? If that's the consideration, then the current state of affairs - where ACFC gets away with stuff that other clubs don't - is actually a feature rather than a bug, i.e. if everyone did the same thing the system would collapse, but one "megaclub" doing it is not a problem.

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Thanks! That answers my main question. 

Am I wrong in thinking that - even if the primary reason for the "shamateurism" is to keep the Nix in the A-League - there's a secondary motivation for the amateur regs, and the reason why they were strengthened when the current club-based league started - i.e. to prevent a "player payments arms race" of the kind which, I believe, used to drive clubs bankrupt in the 80s and 90s? If that's the consideration, then the current state of affairs - where ACFC gets away with stuff that other clubs don't - is actually a feature rather than a bug, i.e. if everyone did the same thing the system would collapse, but one "megaclub" doing it is not a problem.

I don't think it's a case of ACFC gettiung away with  things other clubs don't - there are a lot of clubs that probably do similar things, it's just the amount of money involved with ACFC that makes them stand out from the rest
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Isn't there also something about young players wanting to go to college in the US. They're only eligible for scholarships if they've not played professional football...or something like that.
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Isn't there also something about young players wanting to go to college in the US. They're only eligible for scholarships if they've not played professional football...or something like that.

Believe younger players could join on non-contract terms in that case, and retain their eligibility? Happens in Scandinavian footy, as well as in the NBL for basketball - Taine Murray being a late example
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Thanks! That answers my main question. 

Am I wrong in thinking that - even if the primary reason for the "shamateurism" is to keep the Nix in the A-League - there's a secondary motivation for the amateur regs, and the reason why they were strengthened when the current club-based league started - i.e. to prevent a "player payments arms race" of the kind which, I believe, used to drive clubs bankrupt in the 80s and 90s? If that's the consideration, then the current state of affairs - where ACFC gets away with stuff that other clubs don't - is actually a feature rather than a bug, i.e. if everyone did the same thing the system would collapse, but one "megaclub" doing it is not a problem.

Doloras
Thanks! That answers my main question. 

Am I wrong in thinking that - even if the primary reason for the "shamateurism" is to keep the Nix in the A-League - there's a secondary motivation for the amateur regs, and the reason why they were strengthened when the current club-based league started - i.e. to prevent a "player payments arms race" of the kind which, I believe, used to drive clubs bankrupt in the 80s and 90s? If that's the consideration, then the current state of affairs - where ACFC gets away with stuff that other clubs don't - is actually a feature rather than a bug, i.e. if everyone did the same thing the system would collapse, but one "megaclub" doing it is not a problem.

chubbs
FIFA only ever allowed a NZ team into the Aussie League from the days of the Kingz and through the Knights and the Phoenix on the basis that they had no professional league to play in.Not sure where you would find this in writing - probably in amongst the various license granting/documentation for the NSL /A league. As a result any NZ National League has to be amateur.
Similar situation I think  in a couple of places in Europe - can't name them specifically but might be Andorra , San Marino , etc.
If a professional league existed in NZ then the Phoenix would be out of the A League in very short order I would think.
As an aside not sure how that works for Canadian teams in MLS (at least they are in the same confederation) 

I think many clubs, especially in Wellington, Hamilton and Auckland are still doing this.  That is why so many have amalgamated over recent years eg Uni Mount becoming whatever FC and my local club, Ngaruawahia United, now unable to field a team at all in the Northern League along with other regional sides from WAI BoP.
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Ngaruawahia played in the Northern League this season.

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