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https://www.nzfootball.co.nz/newsarticle/117181?newsfeedId=1275622

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Kate Taylor interview and Klinkova comments pre Wales game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnYMN1jFM2g
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Good that Esson has got back to back starts. Deserves it. No more rotation with Nayler. Ali Riley still infirm. Otherwise looks the strongest lineup from whom is available, though thought Ally Green may get a start.

Ferns need to win this one, against lower ranked Wales. And with only the one change from Norway game, looks like Klimková definitely wants the W. Not much experimentation in this window as next year's WWC starts to get closer.

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I was lucky enough to have those three in a couple of squads I coached a few years ago.  They were already superb players when i was fortunate enough to have them. The three of them all worked incredibly hard back then. 
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Disappointing. Need goals.
 
Be interesting to see how the U20s go at their August WC in Costa Rica, and if likes of Whinham can stand out at that level. They need to, before you can say chuck them into the Ferns (next matches in September), a level up again. As an experimental young Matildas found out the other day, international football can be a big step up.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/women-in-sport/129112057/football-ferns-winless-run-continues-as-they-draw-00-with-wales-in-game-of-few-chances

FYI - Matildas smarting from that 7-0 Spanish thumping, about to kick off against Portugal.

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Very disappointing. Felt certain we might cut loose tonight. Hand denied by a wonderful save. 
Am finding it frustrating that we seem to finish games with the players who should have started...
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Yes a pretty disappointing game. Not sure where the goals are going to come from that showing. Industrious in midfield but, quality and lack of in the final third a real issue today against a pretty average looking Wales team.
A lot of would be starters missing from The Ferns squad on this tour, but not many of those are goal scorers......
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Gutted with this game . How long are we going to have to listen to commentators waxing lyricall   about Wilkie and how amazing she is ...all I've seen is a player  who has a poor touch and at her level of experience at international level should not be happening 
and 2 others
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Since Covid they have played 14 games, winning just 1, drawing 2 and losing 11. They’ve only scored 8 in those 14 games and conceded 31. They’ll be a seeded team at the WC, but it’s not looking good atm.
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Since Covid they have played 14 games, winning just 1, drawing 2 and losing 11. They’ve only scored 8 in those 14 games and conceded 31. They’ll be a seeded team at the WC, but it’s not looking good atm.

It's almost entirely been playing higher ranked teams though.

WC has been expanded from 24 to 32 teams (8 pools of 4 teams). Ferns as joint hosts, and therefore a seeded team, should get two beatable weaker sides in their pool. ie will be only one other seeded team in their pool. Something like that.

So getting through to round of 16, should be very achievable especially playing in home conditions. But to get further than that, will need to be playing better than now you'd think. Be nice to see some genuine progress, and goals in games remaining before WWC starts.
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For Big Pete.
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We need to find goals against the better ranked teams somewhere soon.
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PLaying higher teams or not, I would have expected a little more return than what we have seen either through wins/draws or at least goals being scored.

If this was the Men's team and Hay was the coach most of the people on this forum would be out for blood.

Why not here?

A year is a long time in footy - time to bring in someone who can actually get this team playing.
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A bit of a guess at who might be at the tournament and by current FIFA ranking what pots they might be in, certainly of note is our record against Pot B and C teams.
1-0-5 v Pot B (i.e. this team we get will be favourite to top the group and we will probably not beat them)
4-0-4 v Pot C... it looks tight as. However Argentina and Mexico wins were a long time ago and frankly Belgium was too... 

Under Klimkova we've got one win in five "winable" games (W1 D2 L1) (Scored 3, Conceded 3). 5 losses to much-favoured opponents as well. Didn't score against Iceland, Czech Republic or Wales. She's actually been at the head of the team for a wee while now, and for all the talk about wanting to be creative and attacking and playing with possession, it ain't happening. Let's not forget that we need to beat the Pot D team as well, we didn't beat Cameroon last time and most of those Pot D teams don't look like the rollovers we're used to playing in OFC. 

Massively looking forward to having the World Cup in our own backyard and it will be a blast regardless but sadly I fear unless something changes that the Ferns are going to fail to fire again. 
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I'm genuinely concerned that we're gonna get smashed at the WC at home. I'm sure nobody wants to see that happen. It's not a lack of quality games that's letting us down so I'd certainly expect to see some improvement but it's just not happening. I think a change of coach needs to happen very soon if we want a chance.
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Wales match highlights. If only an unmarked Moore had been facing her own net.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSgYQ9yGFrU

Coach's thoughts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da9PIC8hv-g
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A bit of a guess at who might be at the tournament and by current FIFA ranking what pots they might be in, certainly of note is our record against Pot B and C teams.
1-0-5 v Pot B (i.e. this team we get will be favourite to top the group and we will probably not beat them)
4-0-4 v Pot C... it looks tight as. However Argentina and Mexico wins were a long time ago and frankly Belgium was too... 

Under Klimkova we've got one win in five "winable" games (W1 D2 L1) (Scored 3, Conceded 3). 5 losses to much-favoured opponents as well. Didn't score against Iceland, Czech Republic or Wales. She's actually been at the head of the team for a wee while now, and for all the talk about wanting to be creative and attacking and playing with possession, it ain't happening. Let's not forget that we need to beat the Pot D team as well, we didn't beat Cameroon last time and most of those Pot D teams don't look like the rollovers we're used to playing in OFC. 

Massively looking forward to having the World Cup in our own backyard and it will be a blast regardless but sadly I fear unless something changes that the Ferns are going to fail to fire again. 

Good analysis. But don't forget home advantage. Gave 2015 U20 men's team a boost, and will do so for the Ferns. Don't know where they are playing their pool games, but a bit of mid winter wind & rain could be on the cards.

Yipe Ferns record of late ain't great but all those games have been outside NZ. To get a real proper gauge on the Ferns (and AWs for that matter) you'd be looking at 50% games spit H&A. But of course that never happens with NZ international football.

Need to expect some improvement & fast. But I'd still be optimistic Ferns can at least get out of their pool, depending on what Pot C & D teams they get lumped with. As above they have a 50% win ratio against Pot C teams. With luck avoid the 3 Euro teams & the Koreans. Pot D is African, Latino and weaker Asian teams. At home in NZ we should beat all of them.

Getting out of their pool is obviously the minimum otherwise Klimkova could be gone well short of her 5 year contract. Draw to be made in October.
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Hold the Ferns coach to the same standard as the Men's coach please.

Whoever is in charge of the Ferns will benefit from seeding and home advantage, they shouldn't be used to support the continued appointment of a coach.

Lets ask some basic, but fair questions...

1: Is the team getting the results expected, considering the investment being put in to the team... no.

2. Are we seeing progression in the way we are playing/competing with nations ranked higher than us... no

3, Is the team playing a brand of football, likely to promote the game (and as promised by the coach)... no

What has she actually done that should give anyone confidence in her ability to help make this Fern squad competitive come the world cup? 
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Hold the Ferns coach to the same standard as the Men's coach please.

Whoever is in charge of the Ferns will benefit from seeding and home advantage, they shouldn't be used to support the continued appointment of a coach.

Lets ask some basic, but fair questions...

1: Is the team getting the results expected, considering the investment being put in to the team... no.

2. Are we seeing progression in the way we are playing/competing with nations ranked higher than us... no

3, Is the team playing a brand of football, likely to promote the game (and as promised by the coach)... no

What has she actually done that should give anyone confidence in her ability to help make this Fern squad competitive come the world cup? 

What does 'competitive' mean though? Losing to the USA 2-0, as opposed to 5-0? Playing in NZ now, the Ferns could probably hold the US to a 2-0 scoreline, as opposed to being whipped by about 5, which happens every time they regularly go Stateside as cannon fodder.

The Ferns lost 2-0 (and was 1-0 until very late) to World's 11th ranked team Norway in Oslo. 11th ranked team in the men's game is Germany!!  Would we be happy if the AWs went to Berlin and held the Die Mannschaft to 1-0 until the 90th min!! Sure the depth in the men's game is vastly superior to women's international game, but the Norwegians were a good side. 

Team needs to improve, but they again have mostly being playing top 20 sides. They have also often had their best players like Erceg, White, Keat unavailable. Captain Riley missed both these games. Percival as well, one of the few playing regularly at a top level.

For sure the jury's out on Klimkova. But as someone else said, she was signed on a 5 year deal, so she ain't going anywhere. NZF had to payout Heraf from memory, why would they sack Klimkova this early, wasting more cash. She will rightly be judged on the World Cup in 12 mths, both on results and style.

Then if it's all bad, the big question will be why did NZF sign her on a 5 year deal!! Lets see what happens in 12 mths.

Edit - and one major advantage that say Hay has in comparison to Klimkova is a host of young talented, technical players. All of whom were good players well before they came to him & the AWs. Klimkova doesn't have that yet, though obviously the Nix ALW team is large step in changing that. 

Edit 2 - FYI see Portugal (FIFA WR 30) held Matildas to a 1-1 (WR 12) draw earlier today. Wales one spot below Portugal at 31, Ferns at 22.

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Think it's a bit early to be calling for the coach's head!
The long term plan is clear, a squad is being built for the WC and beyond. Holding a strong Norwegian team to 1-0 until late was a good performance, it could have been 1-1! We lack a little bit of cohesion in some parts of the field, that will come as this young group of players gain experience and familiarity with the coach and the playing plan. 

at least we a playing to win and attempting to score goals, and not conceding defeat pre-kickoff and hoping just not to lose by 6 or 7.
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The whole "if this was a mens team" angle implies some sort of sexist bias. Seriously its a dumb angle to push. 
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PLaying higher teams or not, I would have expected a little more return than what we have seen either through wins/draws or at least goals being scored.

If this was the Men's team and Hay was the coach most of the people on this forum would be out for blood.

Why not here?

A year is a long time in footy - time to bring in someone who can actually get this team playing.
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Agree that it's way too early to be calling for the coaches head. Yes results so far are not good but you can see what the coaching team are trying to do. It's not her fault that the team are so poor going forward (this has been an issue under successive coaches) but she just hasn't quite found a fix for it yet. 
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Having watched all of our games under her, the scorelines have been flattering to say the least.

Against Australia, we were so far behind them in every aspect other than the score it was embarrassing. Had Australia brought their finishing boots to both games we would have lost by 5+ each time. The Norway score was also flattering, we never looked likely and had we poached a goal at the end to draw (before their late 2nd) it would have been robbery.

We have no cohesion going forward with our midfield all but non-existant. We simply look to hit long to an isolated Wilkinson. Nothing goes through the middle. Our best technical player Chance, spends more time playing as a LB than she does as a left sided midfielder, she has to drop that deep.

There is not a single stat (possession, goals, shot attempts etc) that suggests anything other than we are poor.

Have we gone backwards... no 
have we gone forwards... no

And that for me is an issue, given the investment, the regular camps and games against top teams, we are yet to see progression. Yes we are missing players, but every team is missing players.

Our NZ women's team is a top 25 ranked team, we should be doing better.

I can not honestly believe the free pass she is getting on this forum. This sort of latitude would never be given to an All Whites coach.

A 6 year contract was madness and we are paying the price.
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paying the price? after less than a year in charge, with the impact of COVID etc mate you're having a laugh. Let's judge her after the world cup, which she was brought in to build a squad for! If we do not perform as well as we should - ie getting out of the group and challenging in the next round then maybe we call for her head and suggest NZF screwed up!
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There’s more excuses on here than Klimkova has in the latest Ferns video 
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Here is a good write up on the game.
https://theniche-cache.com/football/2022/6/29/football-ferns-vs-wales-didnt-win-didnt-lose

I think he makes a good point about world rankings. Are the ferns really #22 in the world. Results over last 5 years would suggest otherwise. so I think some here have to get realistic about this team. We come from a country that has no professional women's football and only one professional women's team and that team has only been for one year and they are only allowed 11 NZ players in that team. Compare that to the counties we regularly play and you could argue we are actually punching above our weight.
Women's football has gone from strength to strength internationally and there is no doubt we have been left well behind on that front. To me NZF are doing every they can to not get left behind even further.
Could we get a better coach?. Yes of course, if you are willing to spend the money. would it make that much difference with the playing pool we currently have. I'm not sure.
I think this team actually needs to play more games against teams at there own level like Wales, Iceland and the likes. So we can build structure and team cohesion in competitive games and introduce some of our younger players to this level of football. We seem to be in a rebuilding stage so maybe a step back to go forward for this team to learn and grow wouldn't be so bad. And having a coach on a long contract for some consistency in that rebuild makes sense.
NZF just don't have the same money to invest as the likes of Europe and USA. 
Maybe we just need to learn to celebrate the small victories more. 
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To add to the above.
Of the starting 11 players today.
4 players are currently NZ based. Not attached to any teams
3 players are playing in Aus NPL domestic competition
2 players are unattached after leaving european teams
1 player is based in USA NWSL. But not a regular starter
1 Player is in off season for Celtic in Scotland.

So many in this forum have been calling for younger players to be introduced to the ferns team. Now that is starting to happen and we are not getting immediate results, it seems a lot of posters now want the coach sacked.
You can't have it both ways.
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Was an 'interesting'/brave move to appoint Klimkova for 5 years. But can see some of the rationale behind it. Sermanni was always just a stop gap coach, after the Heraf saga. There always seemed a real lack of long term planning, in a reign yes interrupted by Covid. He also never lived in NZ, so real limitations on helping other coaches (incl age group), the FFDP, and working with the best domestic based players etc.

Sermanni really just stuck with the old brigade, hardly bringing in any new players, and yet I don't remember his results being much if any better than Klimkova. Yipe Covid didn't help him.

So NZF have swung 360 degrees and made a punt on a long term appointment, with the aim of trying to improve both the team, and NZ's women's football for the long haul. Ferns have been stagnating for a long time, and there are alot of other nations that are improving quickly as they at last take the women's game seriously. A long term vision seems the right move, whether JK is the right coach to lead it all is just too early to say.

It's not like there is heap of young highly talented, technical female players suddenly arriving on the scene. Where are the female equivalents to Singh, Cacace, Bell etc? Others will know better than me but I just don't see them yet. High hopes for Whinham but she is just starting. A young 18 yr waif, who would probably get smashed over in the senior women's game at the mo. Lets see how she goes with U20s in Costa Rica.

Basically our players just ain't that good. Erceg, Riley and Percival (done her ACL) only ones playing regularly in high level leagues at the moment. But then Riley more often than not, has struggled to hold a spot in the NWSL. Stott and Bowen have been high league regulars in the past. Bott is at Leicester now. But Norway had like 6 players out of the English Women's Super League (WSL). 2 others who played in the recent women's Euro Champions League final.

Sermanni, a high respected coach in the women's game, never progressed the Ferns at all. John Herdman who's now a hero of Canadian football, and obviously very highly regarded, from memory gave up the Ferns role in 2011 (after 5 years) because he just felt he couldn't take the team any further.

Out of curosity this is the team sheet for the last Ferns game Herdman coached. A 2-2 draw verus Mexico at 2011 WWC. Five of the starting lineup, and ten from the overall match day squad are still around the wider Ferns group. A very high number 11 years later.
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2011/07/05/world/womens-world-cup/new-zealand/mexico/1053396/

All of this is not to give Klimkova a free pass. You already sense from her comments, she is feeling some pressure now to get results. Next year is a huge event, you don't want to coach a home team that flops. But lets judge her on that event, not 12 months prior when still is still trying to work out the best setup, squad and juggling player availability. Blending in the best younger talent with the older crew that she wants to retain. We have been crying out for some young players to be given a go. Time & again in football when coaches do that, there can be short term pain.

And re Niche Cache's analysis that the Ferns maybe over ranked by FIFA. I do find it interesting that Portugal (WR 30) a nation of over 10 Million people, with such a strong football culture, and a pro women's league of their own are ranked lower than the Ferns (WR 22). Why is that? Either they are really fudgeing useless with their women's programme, NZ is over achieving a bit with theirs, the FIFA rankings are off, or combination of all 3. We will never ever get close to them in the men's game.

But I guess it just highlights the future challenge for NZ Football. There is a host of countries that if they get their shark together with women's football, could easily overtake the Ferns. So a long term view, investment in a Nix ALW side (and hopefully one day an Auckland ALW's team), an aligned national coaching setup, getting more girls into various academies etc etc are obviously the right ways too go - whether Klimkova is the right appointment we will know more mid next year.

https://theniche-cache.com/football/2022/6/29/football-ferns-vs-wales-didnt-win-didnt-lose

NZ is at #22 on the most recent FIFA rankings... does anyone honestly think there are only 21 better teams than Aotearoa around the world? The depth isn’t as massive on the wahine international side but even still. The Ferns are apparently the 22nd best team on the planet despite winning just one of their last twenty-three matches? That doesn’t feel very logical. And even if it is true then there’s clearly a bigger difference between 22 and a top twenty team than there is between 22 and a team in the 30-realm like Wales.

A large portion of those past 23 games were against teams ranked above them - a long standing problem for the Ferns. The only four games which weren’t against teams currently ranked higher were the two against Wales, one against Cameroon, and one against Czech Republic. From which they’ve had two draws and two losses.  

FIFA rankings are ridiculous, overused, and pointless. Forget about the rankings. The Ferns aren’t empirically better than Wales and that’s fine. We don’t want to be playing teams that are clearly inferior any more than we want teams that are clearly superior. What we want is games against teams of a similar level where there’s room to grow but also the pressure to perform. Games like this one against Wales.

The Ferns weren’t able to get the dub however they might have done so with a little more luck and precision. You don’t learn how to win by getting smoked 5-0 by the USA. You learn how to win by playing evenly matched fixtures like this one. The more the merrier.
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Even Australia who have multiple players in world top leagues and clubs WSL, NWSL etc. Are struggling to get results.
Womens football has been on the rise in Europe and I'm looking forward to watching some of the Womens Euro's games. Some of the goals Spain scored against Australia recently were top quality. England and Germany also go in as strong contenders. Should be some great games. 
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Drop Wilkinson.  Biggest donkey striker to wear the Fern that I can remember.  In all the games I’ve watched live at the stadium or on the box, she’s often been out of her depth.  In Canada at the WC she missed some sitters. Others surely can’t do any worse.
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Drop Wilkinson.  Biggest donkey striker to wear the Fern that I can remember.  In all the games I’ve watched live at the stadium or on the box, she’s often been out of her depth.  In Canada at the WC she missed some sitters. Others surely can’t do any worse.
If Wilkinson is the Jamie Maclaren of the Football Ferns (dominant for Melbourne City but poor for the national team) does that make Grace Jale the Jason Cummings?

Tbh I just want to see Jale succeed and fulfil her potential after having such a bad run of it with injuries.
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so what are the plans for september?
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so what are the plans for september?

Nothing announced as yet. But play Japan away in October, which won’t improve the W column

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