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Tonight's English Cup 

Christchurch United 6 FC Twenty11 0 HT 2 - 0

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AllWhites82 wrote:

Former Western player, Hamish Cadigan back from the USA but has landed work in Nelson so has signed on for Suburbs.

Hamish finished his college stint now? Didn’t hear too much about him whilst stateside. Good addition for Suburbs, presumably at left back from memory. Be interesting to see what sort of player he is these days. 

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Global Game wrote:

AllWhites82 wrote:

Former Western player, Hamish Cadigan back from the USA but has landed work in Nelson so has signed on for Suburbs.

Hamish finished his college stint now? Didn’t hear too much about him whilst stateside. Good addition for Suburbs, presumably at left back from memory. Be interesting to see what sort of player he is these days. 

Hamish another one of those Nomads Junior/Youth players.

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and the worst kept secret in football

"Some Mainland Premier League footballers (MPL) are being paid for their footballing services, despite it being frowned on in the amateur league."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/113680837/coaches-cry-foul-at-player-payments-in-mainland-football-amateur-league

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Yakcall wrote:

and the worst kept secret in football

"Some Mainland Premier League footballers (MPL) are being paid for their footballing services, despite it being frowned on in the amateur league."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/113680837/coaches-cry-foul-at-player-payments-in-mainland-football-amateur-league

They buried the lede! This quote from Robbie Barraclough is the real story: 

"The current level of the MPL is pretty dire in my opinion and has continued to go downhill the last 5 to 10 years.

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Today's scorers

Cashmere Technical 6 (Garbhan Coughlan 3, Seth Clark 2, Finbar Gallaway) Ferrymead Bays 0

Coastal Spirit 10 (Ashley Wellbourn 5, Brent Clifford, Michael Hogan Sean Liddicoat, Jacob Richards, Haris Zeb) FC Twenty11 1 (Taylor Dove)

Nomads 4 (Mika Rabuka 2, Sam Philips, Mitchell Radcliffe) Selwyn 0

Western 0 Nelson Suburbs 3 (James McClay 2, Cameron Gordon)

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Final table:

Team P W D L F A GD Pts
Cashmere Technical 14 12 1 1 56 12 44 37
Nelson Suburbs 14 9 1 4 35 18 17 28
Nomads 14 8 0 6 38 37 1 24
Western 14 6 2 6 25 24 1 20
Coastal Spirit 14 6 1 7 35 23 12 19
Ferrymead Bays 14 5 2 7 20 33 -13 17
Selwyn 14 5 1 8 31 41 -10 16
FC Twenty11 14 0 2 12 14 66 -52 2
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Reprobates of Western show the true colours of that club during a meaningless game today with I'll discipline leaving themselves short and struggling for the opening of their SI league debut.

Slogan should be "dumb, dumb" not "Dub dub"

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Here are the 'Home' and 'Away' table for the season

Home Table
Team P W D L F A GD Pts
Cashmere Technical 7 7 0 0 34 6 28 21
Nomads 7 6 0 1 22 11 11 18
Nelson Suburbs 7 4 1 2 13 6 7 13
Western 7 4 1 2 16 13 3 13
Coastal Spirit 7 3 1 3 19 11 8 10
Ferrymead Bays 7 3 1 3 13 17 -4 10
Selwyn 7 2 1 4 14 21 -7 7
FC Twenty11 7 0 0 7 6 32 -26 0
Away Table
Team P W D L F A GD Pts
Cashmere Technical 7 5 1 1 22 6 16 16
Nelson Suburbs 7 5 0 2 22 12 10 15
Coastal Spirit 7 3 0 4 16 12 4 9
Selwyn 7 3 0 4 17 20 -3 9
Western 7 2 1 4 9 11 -2 7
Ferrymead Bays 7 2 1 4 7 16 -9 7
Nomads 7 2 0 5 16 26 -10 6
FC Twenty11 7 0 2 5 8 34 -26 2
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Reprobates of Western show the true colours of that club during a meaningless game today with I'll discipline leaving themselves short and struggling for the opening of their SI league debut.

Slogan should be "dumb, dumb" not "Dub dub"

Try checking their facebook page - clearly Western have issues through the club.

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Imagine not having to pay any players and still finishing 3rd in the league ?

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Another table showing percentage of points won against the top fours and the bottom sides and then the percentage of total points won:

The 88.10% won by Cashmere Technical the highest % ever won by the champions.

Team Top 4 % Avail Points Won Bottom 4 % Avail Points Won % Avail. Total Points :Won
Cashmere Tech. 16 88.89% 21 87.50% 88.10%
Nelson Suburbs 7 38.89% 21 44.40% 66.67%
Nomads 6 8.30% 16 77.80% 52.38%
Western 5 29.20% 15 209.70% 47.62%
Coastal Spirit 9 37.50% 10 61.11% 45.24%
Ferrymead Bays 6 25.00% 11 55.56% 40.48%
Selwyn 6 25.00% 10 33.30% 38.10%
FC Twenty11 0 0.00% 2 27.80% 4.76%

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Another table showing points gained in games 1 - 7 and then games 8 -14.

Team 1 - 7 8 - 14 Total
Cashmere Technical 18 19 37
Nelson Suburbs 13 15 28
Nomads 9 15 24
Western 13 7 20
Coastal Spirit 12 7 19
Ferrymead Bays 9 8 17
Selwyn 7 9 16
FC Twenty11 1 1 2
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Golden Boot Table

Garbhan Coughan Cashmere Technical 18
Cameron Gordon Nelson Suburbs 17
Dan Ede Selwyn 10
Ryan Stanley Western 10
Finbar Gallaway Cashmere Technical 9
Ash Wellbourn Coastal Spirit 8
Declan Hickford Selwyn 8
Lyle Matthysen Cashmere Technical 7
Andrew Tuckey Cashmere Technical 6
Jacob Anderson Nomads 6
Mika Rabuka Nomads 6
Caleb Cottom Nomads 5
James Deehan Ferrymead Bays 5
Jamie Carrodus Selwyn 5
Alex Pak Western 4
Cal Botterill FC Twenty11 4
Haris Zeb Coastal Spirit 4
James McClay Nelson Suburbs 4
Jordan Yong Nelson Suburbs 4
Nishan Biswa Nomads 4
Sam Philips Nomads 4
Seth Clark Cashmere Technical 4
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Not having seen FC2011 play this year, is there a real possibility that they will struggle to beat most CCL clubs aswell in the next round?

With their 1sts or reserves not winning a game all season they’d want to get some results or next year will prove just as difficult as this year

A couple of years ago they seemed to be going alright with a good group of younger players under Glenn Lapslie & they now also don’t have a WPL side, how did such a large club seem to get it so wrong?

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Reprobates of Western show the true colours of that club during a meaningless game today with I'll discipline leaving themselves short and struggling for the opening of their SI league debut.

Slogan should be "dumb, dumb" not "Dub dub"

Do these suspensions roll over to the Southern League or do they stay until next years MPL?

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BenchWarmer wrote:

Reprobates of Western show the true colours of that club during a meaningless game today with I'll discipline leaving themselves short and struggling for the opening of their SI league debut.

Slogan should be "dumb, dumb" not "Dub dub"

Do these suspensions roll over to the Southern League or do they stay until next years MPL?

They should roll over

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BenchWarmer wrote:

Reprobates of Western show the true colours of that club during a meaningless game today with I'll discipline leaving themselves short and struggling for the opening of their SI league debut.

Slogan should be "dumb, dumb" not "Dub dub"

Do these suspensions roll over to the Southern League or do they stay until next years MPL?

I believe all cards carry over to the Southern Football and for that matter the promotion / relegaton league (CCL clubs and the bottom three MPL clubs).

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uptheblues wrote:

Is there an assists table also?

I do not have one.

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reddevil11 wrote:

Not having seen FC2011 play this year, is there a real possibility that they will struggle to beat most CCL clubs aswell in the next round?

With their 1sts or reserves not winning a game all season they’d want to get some results or next year will prove just as difficult as this year

A couple of years ago they seemed to be going alright with a good group of younger players under Glenn Lapslie & they now also don’t have a WPL side, how did such a large club seem to get it so wrong?

After the Burnside - Avon merger there was a lot of big talk. 

Tsetso went to China to buy years worth of kit.

The #1 pitch got the FIFA U20 upgrade.  

Good junior numbers, kids coming through in men’s and women’s game.   

Things were looking good but...

Slava started taking kids from the north west for his Yarldhurst academy.

The Board appointed the disaster McMann

Tsetso left. And other club stalwarts got disillusioned. 

Nomads started turning things around.

I think the fc20 board lacked good strategy, but I’d love to hear from someone at the club. 

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What do we think will be the plan from Mainland next weekend? Does SI league kick into gear straight away? 

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JTP1 wrote:

What do we think will be the plan from Mainland next weekend? Does SI league kick into gear straight away? 

Yes it's supposed to kick off next weekend, there was a draft draw but nothing official as yet. If anyone has a copy I'd love to see it to book my trip to the balmy and beautiful city of Dunedin. 

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VimFuego wrote:

JTP1 wrote:

What do we think will be the plan from Mainland next weekend? Does SI league kick into gear straight away? 

Yes it's supposed to kick off next weekend, there was a draft draw but nothing official as yet. If anyone has a copy I'd love to see it to book my trip to the balmy and beautiful city of Dunedin. 

OUAFC v Cashmere Technical on the 30th, so i'm guessing everyone else will have games too. Let it begin!

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Hi everyone,

Christchurch United wishes to invite you all to our Chatham Cup 4th Round tie against Nelson Suburbs this coming Saturday at the CFC (July 6th).

Being the last remaining team from Christchurch left in this year’s Chatham Cup, we’re asking for the whole city to get together and help us go one step further into the next round!

Details for the game are below:

CUFC vs Nelson Suburbs

Competition: Chatham Cup

When: July 6th

Time: 7pm kickoff

Where: The CFC (466 Yaldhurst Road)

Café will be open

BBQ will be cooking

Raffle with prizes

Let's hope for an exciting game of football for many spectators! 

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Lol. You guys are hilarious.

As a born and bred Cantabrian and someone who grew up watching Christchurch Utd in the National League of the 70s and 80s, I can't think of anything that would make me happier than see Nelson stuff your bunch of mercenaries right up the jacksie. Well, I don't actually want to see it, because that would require me to come to your plastic fantastic ground and listen to your two supporters spout gibberish all game. I just need to hear about it.

And if you happen to win (and let's be fair, the money the business has invested has bought a decent side), c'est la vie. I really don't care.

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Nzpete wrote:

Lol. You guys are hilarious.

As a born and bred Cantabrian and someone who grew up watching Christchurch Utd in the National League of the 70s and 80s, I can't think of anything that would make me happier than see Nelson stuff your bunch of mercenaries right up the jacksie. Well, I don't actually want to see it, because that would require me to come to your plastic fantastic ground and listen to your two supporters spout gibberish all game. I just need to hear about it.

And if you happen to win (and let's be fair, the money the business has invested has bought a decent side), c'est la vie. I really don't care.

Agreed, come on Nelson!!!

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Interesting that you should be so upset about somebody being progressive. It interests me that other clubs have attacked CHCH united when the top teams in mpl and wmpl have players attracted from other clubs. In the women's premier waimak would be very strong if they had their players back from the top clubs. And let's face it football the world around sees clubs wishing to be successful and buying it. Chelsea and Manchester City come to mind.

I certainly don't think the CHCH united model is perfect but if people ain't pregressive and don't try thing we would all be at home been keyboard warriors and still kicking heavy wet leather balls.

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Define progressive for me. Then explain how that aligns with the CFA model.

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Introducing a pathway for its junior players of ability that was not there before, Oscar has already used this pathway and more to come. The previous CFA model had no connection to seniors and if I'm been honest last year's and the previous group were a collection from other clubs that offered no support to junior players coming through.

Get over yourselves and take a look at your own clubs. From what I see nomads and fc2011 have progressed juniors to mpl more than the others. The rest are players over the years moving for success(or not in coastal case).

It seems that when united was successful in the 80's you were all happy for the overseas players to be at your club.

Get over yourself. If this progresses football in Canterbury stay in your lounge and don't watch

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Foot&Mouth wrote:

Interesting that you should be so upset about somebody being progressive. It interests me that other clubs have attacked CHCH united when the top teams in mpl and wmpl have players attracted from other clubs. In the women's premier waimak would be very strong if they had their players back from the top clubs. And let's face it

football the world around sees clubs wishing to be successful and buying it. Chelsea and Manchester City come to mind.

I certainly don't think the CHCH united model is perfect but if people ain't pregressive and don't try thing we would all be at home been keyboard warriors and still kicking heavy wet leather balls.

Isnt the EPL a pro league tho. I thought the mainland league was amateur? I think the primary concern everyone has is that something more than "come join us" has been said to entice players to the club. Certainly not a level playing field especially for clubs like Burwood, or Parklands. Might wrong of course (see Tui billboard)
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I agree that it's not a pro league but then we all know that's a crock of sharke, other clubs are dropping cash around as per the press article 10 days ago. I ain't saying it's perfect but the model that has been run for years hasn't helped us produce the players it should. Success rubs off, so while my son is unlikely to have that success I see plenty of players at united that have futures. Now it just about getting the less financial these opportunities. FTC in April was $200.00 plus uniform for the equivalent of 2 days involvement over 3 days from 26 kids per age(boys). There is plenty of families that cannot afford this either and it's again this holidays and then NAGS if your lucky at another $900. To bad if it's the next Messi waiting you won't be able to afford it. As far as I can tell both NZFOOTBALL AND MAINLANDS MODEL IS BROKEN TO SOME EXTENT.

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And I must add I have no evidence of the so call player payments only the here say on here.

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Foot&Mouth wrote:

Introducing a pathway for its junior players of ability that was not there before, Oscar has already used this pathway and more to come. The previous CFA model had no connection to seniors and if I'm been honest last year's and the previous group were a collection from other clubs that offered no support to junior players coming through.

Get over yourselves and take a look at your own clubs. From what I see nomads and fc2011 have progressed juniors to mpl more than the others. The rest are players over the years moving for success(or not in coastal case).

It seems that when united was successful in the 80's you were all happy for the overseas players to be at your club.

Get over yourself. If this progresses football in Canterbury stay in your lounge and don't watch

Introducing a pathway for your own junior players is not new to most clubs and not 'progressive' just normal, it should be there as a standard operation. All other teams are doing it. Having one junior make a debut this year is not progressive, many other clubs have introduced a lot more. My sons senior team has 3 players from their U17 squad last season playing regularley this season - nothing flash in that as it should be this way.

If CFA get promoted (well, when) they won't select from youth teams, they will buy in more players for the MPL.

CFA are free to do as they please (within rules) but don't try and convince anyone it is anything other than what we all see.

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Not trying to, from my point of view it's the same as at least 3 other MPL clubs are with players. But they are going out of their way to creat opportunities that other clubs are not locally. Arrangement with Sydney united to name one. Sure you can send all your players to pheonix but there's no difference. And Oscar is only just 115 and has been with the club since inception and I don't see another talent at this age in mainland with so much to offer. Not my place to say anymore about Oscar but watch this space

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Foot&Mouth wrote:

Not trying to, from my point of view it's the same as at least 3 other MPL clubs are with players. But they are going out of their way to creat opportunities that other clubs are not locally. Arrangement with Sydney united to name one. Sure you can send all your players to pheonix but there's no difference. And Oscar is only just 115 and has been with the club since inception and I don't see another talent at this age in mainland with so much to offer. Not my place to say anymore about Oscar but watch this space

I hope Oscar had Mainland clearance - I thought you had to be 16 to play seniors? Hope he does well and gets opportunities to play.

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Foot&Mouth wrote:

Not trying to, from my point of view it's the same as at least 3 other MPL clubs are with players. But they are going out of their way to creat opportunities that other clubs are not locally. Arrangement with Sydney united to name one. Sure you can send all your players to pheonix but there's no difference. And Oscar is only just 115 and has been with the club since inception and I don't see another talent at this age in mainland with so much to offer. Not my place to say anymore about Oscar but watch this space

Dear Oscar's Dad. 

We admire your son's achievements and your public acknowledgement of this. 

He may very well be a product of a great junior structure, but the biggest achievement may be forcing his way into a team which is pretty much entirely made up of MPL players from last season, along with one of Canterbury's most prominent coaches. 

To boast about the great development and future of the club would best be held until those players start coming through, and the $300 per week and $5k bonus the others are getting ceases. 

Yours sincerely

Vim

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VimFuego wrote:

Foot&Mouth wrote:

Not trying to, from my point of view it's the same as at least 3 other MPL clubs are with players. But they are going out of their way to creat opportunities that other clubs are not locally. Arrangement with Sydney united to name one. Sure you can send all your players to pheonix but there's no difference. And Oscar is only just 115 and has been with the club since inception and I don't see another talent at this age in mainland with so much to offer. Not my place to say anymore about Oscar but watch this space

Dear Oscar's Dad. 

We admire your son's achievements and your public acknowledgement of this. 

He may very well be a product of a great junior structure, but the biggest achievement may be forcing his way into a team which is pretty much entirely made up of MPL players from last season, along with one of Canterbury's most prominent coaches. 

To boast about the great development and future of the club would best be held until those players start coming through, and the $300 per week and $5k bonus the others are getting ceases. 

Yours sincerely

Vim

One of your best Vim. Printed and pinned up.

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VimFuego wrote:

Foot&Mouth wrote:

Not trying to, from my point of view it's the same as at least 3 other MPL clubs are with players. But they are going out of their way to creat opportunities that other clubs are not locally. Arrangement with Sydney united to name one. Sure you can send all your players to pheonix but there's no difference. And Oscar is only just 115 and has been with the club since inception and I don't see another talent at this age in mainland with so much to offer. Not my place to say anymore about Oscar but watch this space

Dear Oscar's Dad. 

We admire your son's achievements and your public acknowledgement of this. 

He may very well be a product of a great junior structure, but the biggest achievement may be forcing his way into a team which is pretty much entirely made up of MPL players from last season, along with one of Canterbury's most prominent coaches. 

To boast about the great development and future of the club would best be held until those players start coming through, and the $300 per week and $5k bonus the others are getting ceases. 

Yours sincerely

Vim

Luckily I ain't his dad, just  and older football dad with more experience than Sunday league. 

Sadly it looks like you all support the New Zealand football model which is why we change

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