All Whites vs Myanmar | Thuwanna Stadium, Yangon | 11.30pm | Mon 7 September

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AlfStamp wrote:

I dont like Hudson and this will seem a bit weird in that it will sound like I am defending him.

He said at the beginning that one of his aims was to try and create more competition and depth with respect to AW positions.  So when does that process end and when does he start to solidify his team?. Maybe he hasnt yet finished his depth and competition phase?, maybe the Myanmar game was the last of that process?.

I was under the impression from previous statements that this windows was where he was going to narrow down his best 25 and stop the experimentation.
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Jeff Vader wrote:

I'll also list players that can fill in with Brockie, Boxall, Payne, Keat, Henderson, James (ok its a marginal call), Smeltz, Musa, Adams, Howieson and that's without really racking my brains too hard. Out of that, I can at least make a 3-5-2

Not once there did I have to pick a player that was ineligible or playing NZ regional club football. I would not have Wynne near my side anyway.

We have some players EG, but not ones that are being picked. At the end of it though, we wont be going to Russia cause we wont be going past the qualifier against South America and we may struggle with the Island sides if we persist so I guess its all just hot air from me.

While this may go to a different thread (producing good national team players), I agree that more could be done with players we have (and did not pick) - and i am not entirely confident with Hudson's gameplan so far.

Someone mentioned Guus Hiddink - he is a good example. Yes he is one of the world's top coaches and was already ten years ago. But he did not have a wholesale change to the Socceroo team for the 2005 playoffs against Uruguay. He largely worked with the team he had inherited from Graeme Arnold and instead worked to their strengths to prepare a strategy (for two games against a decent opposition) that secured the qualification. He only picked new people once Australia qualified.

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el grapadura wrote:

Haha, my thoughts exactly. Sack Ricki! No, bring back Ricki!

The bottom line is, we don't have enough good players at this level to be a consistently competitive unit. And we don't have enough money to bring in expensive overseas coaches and overhaul the domestic set-up. In other words, it's a long haul type exercise, with no easy-fix answers.

I don't quite agree with what you are putting across here. I think we do have sufficiently good players to compete at this level. Our difference in interpretation probably comes down to what each of us think this level is or where we should be competing. From what I see, we have the players that can make a decent fist of playing in an international team that is ranked around the 100 mark, anything too much higher than that and I think you are right.  
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Jeff Vader wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Jag wrote:

.......We should play in a way that maximises the impact of our strengths and minimises the impact of our weaknesses. 

Agreed. Any half decent coach should be building a style of play around that, not trying to shoehorn players into a style of play that they are technically not suited to

So what Ricki did?

Haha, my thoughts exactly. Sack Ricki! No, bring back Ricki!

The bottom line is, we don't have enough good players at this level to be a consistently competitive unit. And we don't have enough money to bring in expensive overseas coaches and overhaul the domestic set-up. In other words, it's a long haul type exercise, with no easy-fix answers.

I don't think we have good enough players to be beating teams like Mexico or whoever OFC might playoff against from CONMEBOL, but we definitely have good enough players to be winning comfortably against teams like Myanmar. The fact we can't is a coaching/tactical issue, not a player quality one. 

Yeah but so many people advocate we should join AFC because the standard of football is better and we would be better served playing against better teams. Would the same not apply to playing against CONMEBOL teams or CONCACAF teams?

What you have just said is we should beat teams like Myanmar.... whom are no better/different than teams currently in OFC like Fiji, Tahiti, New Caledona, Solomons. If Myanmar is the standard of opponent we are targeting to play against to get wins on the baord, we should be going to OFC 1st. The only thing I can think of is money reasons in that the hosting team is paying. It would probably help our relationship with OFC no end of good if we did choose to play the Island teams (PNG, the home of Mr Chung?)

Yeah I agree. I was just saying that the argument that our players aren't good enough to be a decent international side is a red herring in this debate. They are good enough to be better than teams we have struggled against recently, so the idea that its not Hudson's fault because he lacks playing resources doesn't explain our poor performance against Myanmar or Thailand, for instance.
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AlfStamp wrote:

I dont like Hudson and this will seem a bit weird in that it will sound like I am defending him.

He said at the beginning that one of his aims was to try and create more competition and depth with respect to AW positions.  So when does that process end and when does he start to solidify his team?. Maybe he hasnt yet finished his depth and competition phase?, maybe the Myanmar game was the last of that process?.

There is something to this, without trawling through his previous quotes or anything NZF might of said when appointing him, if his strategy is to get a team ready to have a serious tilt at the WC finals, and he achieves that - then he will have done what he promised. We probably need to cut him some slack in the meantime until that point. Does anyone know if that is what he basically said he was here to do? While it would be nice to knock off the south American team and reach the finals, I don't think anyone really gives us much of a show at achieving that anyway do they?
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Jeff Vader wrote:

Jag wrote:

.......We should play in a way that maximises the impact of our strengths and minimises the impact of our weaknesses. 

Agreed. Any half decent coach should be building a style of play around that, not trying to shoehorn players into a style of play that they are technically not suited to

So much this! Here is how I view our strengths.

We have 4 quality players in the front half of the field in Thomas, Kosta, Wood and Rojas. To me, that's a front 4 that other than Wood being a big strapping lad, are players that are quick, nippy, have good footwork and like to either run at defenders or whip in low dangerous balls. (think Marco to Archie at MV for example). This is our current strength. These 3 (K,M,T) should all start every game in that band across the field behind Wood but not limited to getting up there as well. Experienced and proven performers. Why do we need wingbacks when we have those guys that can sit out wide and are dynamic footballers. The only thing you ask of them is to drop 10y when we don't have the ball to help out. Not revert to FBs. We don't need big loopy balls into the box so we do away with that immediately.

It does not need McGlinchey to sit as high for this so you can realistically use him more as a straight CM and link those guys with Tuiloma. I have never been a fan of Tuiloma but the difference was noticeable once he came off so I have to eat my hat and admit that he is growing into that role. He is not a distributor and should immediately be looking for simple passes to players that will do that. I felt he tried to distribute a little against Myanmar and its not his strength in my opinion. He needs to screen, intercept and protect the 25y space in front of goal and the back 4. Thats all.

With those 6 players and taking into account you are going to have Kosta/Thomas/Rojas on 2 flanks, it does not require wingbacks so you can use Smith, A-Z, Reid, Smith and Fenton (for his pace if necessary and realistically, he is our best RB). You then find a keeper. We seem to have a few of them and Hudson has gotten one thing right and unearthed a number 2 in Marinovic.

Defensively, you can use Wood to shepherd balls into the corners and force them to play out from there. The 3 behind him are quick enough to harrow in and recover if the ball gets out and because you don't need McGlinchey to sit as high, you are not left with a gaping hole behind your front guys but in front of your DM.

So I think we shape best like this

I didn't really see our strengths being utilised. Not ragging on them but Kosta he didn't do as much defensive duty because that's not his game. Doyle didn't do as much attacking duty because that's not his game and one could argue he is more CB than WB if there was a choice. One side you have Doyle set up for loopy crosses when he does get up and Kosta to work with Rojas on the other or put in loopy crosses. When those 2 work together, it looked good. Smeltz and Brockie never really got the type of service they prefer in part because they are not guys that get loopy crosses from the left and Kosta was never allowed to whip in low dangerous crosses all game. It just had tactical dumbness all over it. If Brockie is not and AW then neither is Boxall because I thought he was poor. When you play a back 3, if you make a mistake, the exposure is greater with less numbers back there.

These are arguably our best players in their best positions. It does not need shoehorning. It requires a flexible formation, one that Hudson does not have the ability to implement.

So much this. Hudson really needs to start playing our best XI and this is it. I'm tired of watching players like Dyer (Hudson's Christie), Te Atawhai Hudson-Wihongi, Lewis or even worse, Higgins, Raniga! I liked the idea of Hudson trying to make the AW playing modern possesion-based football but we are now playing the same as always, long balls to the tall guy up front. 

I understand the need of having at least 30 decent players who can perfom at international level but this is not the way. Younger players should be around more experienced guys like Reid, Smeltz, WeeMac, Kosta, Moss. Not making the U23s play an entire game. Would be better to see van den Broek, Harry Edge, Old or Bright, who at least can get a pro contract, getting picked over this overrated kids.

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Not quite sure what McGlinchey has ever done in a white shirt, apart from run around a bit. The game always seems to bypass him. Also think Tuiloma isn't the answer for DM for now (maybe in 4+ years when he has developed his game), he isn't big/mature/something enough to impose himself and protect the back 4....which is what the DM role is supposed to be.

I'd go balls-out to get Fitzgerald back into the fold, arrange for him to get trials in Europe if need be and renounce his Japanese citizenship. If he was back in, either he or Themi can play in a DM role (both their number 2 position, which isn't ideal, but both have experience there), with the other to be backup for the Smith/Reid partnership.

Get Keat as the number 8 midfielder, with Henderson as the number 10 - both instead of McGlinchey who can go to the bench. (so a midfield trio of Themi/Fitzgerald, Keat, Henderson), with Rojas and Thomas patrolling the flanks as well as swapping positions with Henderson. Wood upfront.

Mobile midfield, threats from the flanks, a secondary striker, and a solid DM.

But y'know......Moses Dyer is good too.....(shrugs)

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el grapadura wrote:

TV wrote:
Heard a rumour...

Hong Kong - October 8.

Lebanon - Nov 17.

Annnd el grap were unlikely to get south american opp as every window theres a game for each of the 10 teams. NZF taking an advantage of acailable afc sides during these windows - i.e not as far to travel

What's wrong with Central American sides? Mexico haven't started their campaign yet, don't think Honduras have either. And I can't imagine these places are that much more difficult to get to than Myanmar.

We do have fairly recent history of playing CONCACAF sides in the US of A. Yes, easier to get to than Myanmar.

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So much this. Hudson really needs to start playing our best XI and this is it. I'm tired of watching players like Dyer (Hudson's Christie), Te Atawhai Hudson-Wihongi, Lewis or even worse, Higgins, Raniga! I liked the idea of Hudson trying to make the AW playing modern possesion-based football but we are now playing the same as always, long balls to the tall guy up front. 

I understand the need of having at least 30 decent players who can perfom at international level but this is not the way. Younger players should be around more experienced guys like Reid, Smeltz, WeeMac, Kosta, Moss. Not making the U23s play an entire game. Would be better to see van den Broek, Harry Edge, Old or Bright, who at least can get a pro contract, getting picked over this overrated kids.

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Reminds me of Berti Vogts' time in charge of the Jocks - he was handing out caps left, right, and centre to anyone who could sing "Flower of Scotland", because the team he inherited was old and a bit shark.....so a lot of tradesman-like players got caps

Difference with Hudson is he is giving them to kids who, to my mind, come lower on the pecking order.....say a kid is 18 or 19 now, by the time of the WCQ (if we qualify) he will be 20 or 21 - unless the kid is Martial or whoever, don't expect anything from him......in fact, I wouldn't expect these kids Hudson is picking to really contribute until the 2026 qualifiers....so that's one hell of a long term plan......

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We have more NZ's playing professionally than ever before in better leagues than ever before and this is the worse we have ever played / done in my memory.

How does that work?

NZF seems to be moving from one shambolic performance to the next. The only difference in the playing surface (boardroom or turf). Either ways... "third world" footballing nations are killing us!!!

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"Is Hudson picking the right players?" and as much as we have our own favourites whom should be in and out, not one single person has said 'yup, he has got it right'. For the want of 1 or 2 players here or there, you might say 'yeah he is largely on the money' too but I don't think anyone is even supporting that position. 

Thats how bad it is. I just don't to hear him talk about the players he is not picking then the frustration of not being able to pick his best team. He chose to leave out Smith, Thomas and Wood, and Fenton and Moss are out for other reasons so those 2 are unfortunate. Either way, in some respects, he picked his own sword to go into battle with so he has to wear it when it fails and it failed miserably.

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Rusty Dunks wrote:

Difference with Hudson is he is giving them to kids who, to my mind, come lower on the pecking order.....say a kid is 18 or 19 now, by the time of the WCQ (if we qualify) he will be 20 or 21 - unless the kid is Martial or whoever, don't expect anything from him......in fact, I wouldn't expect these kids Hudson is picking to really contribute until the 2026 qualifiers....so that's one hell of a long term plan......

So name a bunch of 21-23 year olds that aren't already in the set up that could come in and make a difference in 2 years for the qualifiers. I can't think of too many off the top of my head so it's important that these guys get developed sooner rather than later to build for the future. Yes it's frustrating in the short term that results in friendlies aren't positive, but at the end of the day I'd take long term development over short term results any day
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Kyle1502 wrote:

Rusty Dunks wrote:

Difference with Hudson is he is giving them to kids who, to my mind, come lower on the pecking order.....say a kid is 18 or 19 now, by the time of the WCQ (if we qualify) he will be 20 or 21 - unless the kid is Martial or whoever, don't expect anything from him......in fact, I wouldn't expect these kids Hudson is picking to really contribute until the 2026 qualifiers....so that's one hell of a long term plan......

So name a bunch of 21-23 year olds that aren't already in the set up that could come in and make a difference in 2 years for the qualifiers. I can't think of too many off the top of my head so it's important that these guys get developed sooner rather than later to build for the future. Yes it's frustrating in the short term that results in friendlies aren't positive, but at the end of the day I'd take long term development over short term results any day

Doesn't have to be an either or thing though - and the issue is if they aren't playing professionally where will they be in 3 years?  The gap gets bigger the longer you are out of international football

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ballane wrote:

Whats wrong with you lot watched Fred on the news  and him and his forked tongue dont seem to think there is to much of a problem us fans just need some patience.

What does Fred know..nothing. I want that prick gone as well there all USELESS 

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The problem is that he has selected 'kids' who have barely proven themselves at age group or even ASB Premiership level and then they start playing them away from the positions they have been seen playing.

I have no evidence but it strikes me that the players in question have passed a set of prepared criteria in training that arbitrarily (and on paper) means they should be good players in certain positions.  They score this on the beep test, they control the ball in this % of situations, they controlled a pass this percentage of times, they covered this much ground therefore they will be a good central midfielder ignoring the player's history or demonstrated actual ability.

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and this is why Bahrain suffered under hudson's watch

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Hard News wrote:

The problem is that he has selected 'kids' who have barely proven themselves at age group or even ASB Premiership level and then they start playing them away from the positions they have been seen playing.

I have no evidence but it strikes me that the players in question have passed a set of prepared criteria in training that arbitrarily (and on paper) means they should be good players in certain positions.  They score this on the beep test, they control the ball in this % of situations, they controlled a pass this percentage of times, they covered this much ground therefore they will be a good central midfielder ignoring the player's history or demonstrated actual ability.

Agree with your first par. As  to second par. ...ohmygawd, I hope not! 

I think playing week in week out as a contracted professional is probably a better indicator of 'potential' than unproven kids playing at amateur level. We're good for forwards in that regard, but our young (under 25) midfielders and defenders with pro contracts are limited to: Tuiloma, Rufer, Ridenton, Fenton, Doyle, Boxall, Fitzgerald, Roux, Edge, anyone else? As with any group that age some will kick on, some won't, some aren't even playing first team footy; plus 2 of them are not currently eligible. However I'd sooner select from that lot than what Hudson has been selecting. As contracted professional players I think they're a better bet to meet 'criteria'.

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Global Game wrote:

Hard News wrote:

The problem is that he has selected 'kids' who have barely proven themselves at age group or even ASB Premiership level and then they start playing them away from the positions they have been seen playing.

I have no evidence but it strikes me that the players in question have passed a set of prepared criteria in training that arbitrarily (and on paper) means they should be good players in certain positions.  They score this on the beep test, they control the ball in this % of situations, they controlled a pass this percentage of times, they covered this much ground therefore they will be a good central midfielder ignoring the player's history or demonstrated actual ability.

Agree with your first par. As  to second par. ...ohmygawd, I hope not! 

I think playing week in week out as a contracted professional is probably a better indicator of 'potential' than unproven kids playing at amateur level. We're good for forwards in that regard, but our young (under 25) midfielders and defenders with pro contracts are limited to: Tuiloma, Rufer, Ridenton, Fenton, Doyle, Boxall, Fitzgerald, Roux, Edge, anyone else? As with any group that age some will kick on, some won't, some aren't even playing first team footy; plus 2 of them are not currently eligible. However I'd sooner select from that lot than what Hudson has been selecting. As contracted professional players I think they're a better bet to meet 'criteria'.

Payne is in that bracket too, and Musa (if he's eligible?)
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Global Game wrote:

Hard News wrote:

The problem is that he has selected 'kids' who have barely proven themselves at age group or even ASB Premiership level and then they start playing them away from the positions they have been seen playing.

I have no evidence but it strikes me that the players in question have passed a set of prepared criteria in training that arbitrarily (and on paper) means they should be good players in certain positions.  They score this on the beep test, they control the ball in this % of situations, they controlled a pass this percentage of times, they covered this much ground therefore they will be a good central midfielder ignoring the player's history or demonstrated actual ability.

Agree with your first par. As  to second par. ...ohmygawd, I hope not! 

I think playing week in week out as a contracted professional is probably a better indicator of 'potential' than unproven kids playing at amateur level. We're good for forwards in that regard, but our young (under 25) midfielders and defenders with pro contracts are limited to: Tuiloma, Rufer, Ridenton, Fenton, Doyle, Boxall, Fitzgerald, Roux, Edge, anyone else? As with any group that age some will kick on, some won't, some aren't even playing first team footy; plus 2 of them are not currently eligible. However I'd sooner select from that lot than what Hudson has been selecting. As contracted professional players I think they're a better bet to meet 'criteria'.

Payne is in that bracket too, and Musa (if he's eligible?)

and howieson at st mirren

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True, although isn't Howieson more of a winger/forward these days?

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In (eligibility and injury aside) roux musa wynne fenton keat or hicks patterson howieson thomas & wood Out: raniga brotherton higgins hudson wihongi dyer lewis rufer rogerson
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We don't have the players to effectively play an intricate possession-based passing game (take a look at our central midfield). We also don't have the players to play hoof-and-hope longballs (Wood might look like a targetman but he doesn't play like one). What we do have the players for though, IMO, is a quick, direct counterattacking game played along the ground. Sit deep and let the likes of Rojas, Thomas and Kosta run at players or into space, and the they can pull the ball back or drive a low cross into the box for someone like Wood or Smeltz arriving late to turn into the net. It might mean that Rojas, Thomas and Kosta tire more quickly in games but then we have players like Fenton and Boyd to come on. Our strengths are our centrebacks, wingers and a poaching striker and our weaknesses are fullback and central mid. We should play in a way that maximises the impact of our strengths and minimises the impact of our weaknesses. 

You are clearly out of #alignment - please report to your nearest alignment centre immediately.

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2ndBest wrote:

Jag wrote:

.......We should play in a way that maximises the impact of our strengths and minimises the impact of our weaknesses. 

Agreed. Any half decent coach should be building a style of play around that, not trying to shoehorn players into a style of play that they are technically not suited to

So what Ricki did?

 For all the shark he got it worked (for a time).

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Many of the established players were crap or anonymous in that game too: McGlinchy, Doyle, Smeltzy. Something is not working.

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and this is why Bahrain suffered under hudson's watch

Did they? I thought i read they gained their highest placing in some cup or something under his watch.
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He was successful with the Bahrain youth team, I think he qualified for the Asian Cup with the senior team and then bailed to come to us.

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I hope Hudson picks this team from our next game.. Riera is eligible in December. Should be putting his name through when we put Wynne, Musa, Roux and Smiths applications in.

Position-----Name-----Date of Birth(age)-----Caps-----Goals-----Club

DF-----Winston Reid-----3 July 1988 (age 27)-----19-----1-----England West Ham United

DF-----Tommy Smith-----31 March 1990 (age 25)-----29-----2-----England Ipswich Town

FW-----Chris Wood-----7 December 1991 (age 23)-----38-----13-----England Leeds United

MF-----Ryan Thomas-----20 December 1994 (age 20)-----4-----0-----Netherlands Zwolle

FW-----Marco Rojas-----5 November 1991 (age 23)-----22-----1-----Switzerland Thun

FW-----Kosta Barbarouses-----19 February 1990 (age 25)-----29-----2-----Australia Melbourne Victory

FW-----Shane Smeltz-----29 September 1981 (age 33)-----51-----24-----Australia Sydney FC

GK-----Glen Moss-----19 January 1983 (age 32)-----26-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

FW-----Tyler Boyd-----30 December 1994 (age 20)-----5-----0-----Portugal Vitória de Guimarães

DF-----Storm Roux-----13 January 1993 (age 22)-----7-----0-----Australia Central Coast Mariners

DF-----Themistoklis Tzimopoulos-----20 November 1985 (age 29)-----2-----0-----Greece PAS Giannina

GK-----Stefan Marinovic-----7 October 1991 (age 23)-----2-----0-----Germany Unterhaching

MF-----Albert Riera-----28 December 1983 (age 31)-----0-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

MF-----Bill Tuiloma-----23 March 1995 (age 20)-----8-----0-----France Strasbourg

MF-----Michael McGlinchey-----7 January 1987 (age 28)-----31-----4-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

DF-----Michael Boxall-----18 August 1988 (age 27)-----13-----0-----South Africa SuperSport United

FW-----Kwabena Appiah-----19 May 1992 (age 23)-----0-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

DF-----Sam Brotherton-----2 October 1996 (age 18)-----7-----1-----New Zealand Wanderers SC

DF-----James Musa-----1 April 1992 (age 23)-----1-----0-----United States Saint Louis

DF-----Louis Fenton-----3 April 1993 (age 22)-----2-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

MF-----Tim Payne-----10 January 1994 (age 21)-----14-----2-----United States Portland Timbers 2

FW-----Monty Patterson-----9 December 1996 (age 18)-----0-----0-----England Ipswich Town

DF-----Deklan Wynne-----20 March 1995 (age 20)-----3-----0-----Canada Whitecaps FC 2

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nomeans wrote:

I hope Hudson picks this team from our next game.. Riera is eligible in December. Should be putting his name through when we put Wynne, Musa, Roux and Smiths applications in.

Position-----Name-----Date of Birth(age)-----Caps-----Goals-----Club

DF-----Winston Reid-----3 July 1988 (age 27)-----19-----1-----England West Ham United

DF-----Tommy Smith-----31 March 1990 (age 25)-----29-----2-----England Ipswich Town

FW-----Chris Wood-----7 December 1991 (age 23)-----38-----13-----England Leeds United

MF-----Ryan Thomas-----20 December 1994 (age 20)-----4-----0-----Netherlands Zwolle

FW-----Marco Rojas-----5 November 1991 (age 23)-----22-----1-----Switzerland Thun

FW-----Kosta Barbarouses-----19 February 1990 (age 25)-----29-----2-----Australia Melbourne Victory

FW-----Shane Smeltz-----29 September 1981 (age 33)-----51-----24-----Australia Sydney FC

GK-----Glen Moss-----19 January 1983 (age 32)-----0-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

FW-----Tyler Boyd-----30 December 1994 (age 20)-----5-----0-----Portugal Vitória de Guimarães

DF-----Storm Roux-----13 January 1993 (age 22)-----7-----0-----Australia Central Coast Mariners

DF-----Themistoklis Tzimopoulos-----20 November 1985 (age 29)-----2-----0-----Greece PAS Giannina

GK-----Stefan Marinovic-----7 October 1991 (age 23)-----2-----0-----Germany Unterhaching

MF-----Albert Riera-----28 December 1983 (age 31)-----0-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

MF-----Bill Tuiloma-----23 March 1995 (age 20)-----8-----0-----France Strasbourg

MF-----Michael McGlinchey-----7 January 1987 (age 28)-----31-----4-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

DF-----Michael Boxall-----18 August 1988 (age 27)-----13-----0-----South Africa SuperSport United

FW-----Kwabena Appiah-----19 May 1992 (age 23)-----0-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

DF-----Sam Brotherton-----2 October 1996 (age 18)-----7-----1-----New Zealand Wanderers SC

DF-----James Musa-----1 April 1992 (age 23)-----1-----0-----United States Saint Louis

DF-----Louis Fenton-----3 April 1993 (age 22)-----2-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

MF-----Tim Payne-----10 January 1994 (age 21)-----14-----2-----United States Portland Timbers 2

FW-----Monty Patterson9 December 1996 (age 18)-----3-----0-----England Ipswich Town

DF-----Deklan Wynne-----20 March 1995 (age 20)-----3-----0-----Canada Whitecaps FC 2

I'm going to assume you have not been reading the press? Smith was granted eligibility and I believe Musa is ok (over 23)

Otherwise thats not too bad. I'd find room for Brockie and Keat. Not Sure what Henderson is doing but he is another if he is not injured.

We have a better calibre of player than what is being picked currently.

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Did you type that all in?

Respect.

(need to have a few spaces after Monty Patterson's name)

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Jeff Vader wrote:

I'm going to assume you have not been reading the press? Smith was granted eligibility and I believe Musa is ok (over 23)


Otherwise thats not too bad. I'd find room for Brockie and Keat. Not Sure what Henderson is doing but he is another if he is not injured.

We have a better calibre of player than what is being picked currently.

He's 23 but he lived in England playing for Fulham and Hereford during 2013-14, so FIFA may say he hasn't lived in NZ for 5 consecutive years after the age of 18, and thus need an exemption (which you would expect to be given).

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Appiah? No thanks
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Jeff Vader wrote:

nomeans wrote:

I hope Hudson picks this team from our next game.. Riera is eligible in December. Should be putting his name through when we put Wynne, Musa, Roux and Smiths applications in.

Position-----Name-----Date of Birth(age)-----Caps-----Goals-----Club

DF-----Winston Reid-----3 July 1988 (age 27)-----19-----1-----England West Ham United

DF-----Tommy Smith-----31 March 1990 (age 25)-----29-----2-----England Ipswich Town

FW-----Chris Wood-----7 December 1991 (age 23)-----38-----13-----England Leeds United

MF-----Ryan Thomas-----20 December 1994 (age 20)-----4-----0-----Netherlands Zwolle

FW-----Marco Rojas-----5 November 1991 (age 23)-----22-----1-----Switzerland Thun

FW-----Kosta Barbarouses-----19 February 1990 (age 25)-----29-----2-----Australia Melbourne Victory

FW-----Shane Smeltz-----29 September 1981 (age 33)-----51-----24-----Australia Sydney FC

GK-----Glen Moss-----19 January 1983 (age 32)-----0-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

FW-----Tyler Boyd-----30 December 1994 (age 20)-----5-----0-----Portugal Vitória de Guimarães

DF-----Storm Roux-----13 January 1993 (age 22)-----7-----0-----Australia Central Coast Mariners

DF-----Themistoklis Tzimopoulos-----20 November 1985 (age 29)-----2-----0-----Greece PAS Giannina

GK-----Stefan Marinovic-----7 October 1991 (age 23)-----2-----0-----Germany Unterhaching

MF-----Albert Riera-----28 December 1983 (age 31)-----0-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

MF-----Bill Tuiloma-----23 March 1995 (age 20)-----8-----0-----France Strasbourg

MF-----Michael McGlinchey-----7 January 1987 (age 28)-----31-----4-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

DF-----Michael Boxall-----18 August 1988 (age 27)-----13-----0-----South Africa SuperSport United

FW-----Kwabena Appiah-----19 May 1992 (age 23)-----0-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

DF-----Sam Brotherton-----2 October 1996 (age 18)-----7-----1-----New Zealand Wanderers SC

DF-----James Musa-----1 April 1992 (age 23)-----1-----0-----United States Saint Louis

DF-----Louis Fenton-----3 April 1993 (age 22)-----2-----0-----New Zealand Wellington Phoenix

MF-----Tim Payne-----10 January 1994 (age 21)-----14-----2-----United States Portland Timbers 2

FW-----Monty Patterson9 December 1996 (age 18)-----3-----0-----England Ipswich Town

DF-----Deklan Wynne-----20 March 1995 (age 20)-----3-----0-----Canada Whitecaps FC 2

I'm going to assume you have not been reading the press? Smith was granted eligibility and I believe Musa is ok (over 23)

Otherwise thats not too bad. I'd find room for Brockie and Keat. Not Sure what Henderson is doing but he is another if he is not injured.

We have a better calibre of player than what is being picked currently.



Oh no I didn't know Smith was granted eligibility read on here people asking if he was eligible and assumed we didn't apply. I think we would still have to apply for Musa considering hes playing at Saint Louis FC and probably hasn't "lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association." better safe than sorry. I left Brockie out based on his shocking stat 47 games for 1 goal and the amount of chances hes missed. Henderson doesn't seem to be getting much game tome at the moment and both Keat (Falkenberg) and Hendersons (Mjøndalen) teams look like they will be relegated although Keat does seem to be getting a lot of game time and is scoring goals.
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Many of the established players were crap or anonymous in that game too: McGlinchy, Doyle, Smeltzy. Something is not working.

You can add Barbarouses to that list. His awesome ability to cave up the defence was just not there. It was like he was held back from playing his naturel game.  
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el grapadura wrote:

Haha, my thoughts exactly. Sack Ricki! No, bring back Ricki!

The bottom line is, we don't have enough good players at this level to be a consistently competitive unit. And we don't have enough money to bring in expensive overseas coaches and overhaul the domestic set-up. In other words, it's a long haul type exercise, with no easy-fix answers.

I don't quite agree with what you are putting across here. I think we do have sufficiently good players to compete at this level. Our difference in interpretation probably comes down to what each of us think this level is or where we should be competing. From what I see, we have the players that can make a decent fist of playing in an international team that is ranked around the 100 mark, anything too much higher than that and I think you are right.  

I don't disagree with you, if anything I see us around 80-90.

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bwtcf wrote:

Nice interview with Hudson coming back to NZ

http://www.3news.co.nz/sport/video-hudson-defiant-...

Q: You're going to pick the strongest squad from now on?
A: Absolutely yeh

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TV wrote:
Appiah? No thanks

He's a fringe Phoenix player that seems to be one of the criteria for making the aw squad.

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el grapadura wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Haha, my thoughts exactly. Sack Ricki! No, bring back Ricki!

The bottom line is, we don't have enough good players at this level to be a consistently competitive unit. And we don't have enough money to bring in expensive overseas coaches and overhaul the domestic set-up. In other words, it's a long haul type exercise, with no easy-fix answers.

I don't quite agree with what you are putting across here. I think we do have sufficiently good players to compete at this level. Our difference in interpretation probably comes down to what each of us think this level is or where we should be competing. From what I see, we have the players that can make a decent fist of playing in an international team that is ranked around the 100 mark, anything too much higher than that and I think you are right.  

I don't disagree with you, if anything I see us around 80-90.

If we play to our absolute best, we could be 60s on a spike. I think 85-95 is about right but the rankings are fluctuating anyway
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For all those sticking the knife into Hudson, wasn't he the coach for the U-23 Olympic team?  Before they were booted out there record in Papua New Guinea was played 4, won 4, 10 goals for, 0 against.  When it mattered, he was delivering what was required.

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Any idea what the rankings for the U23 Pacific Island teams were?

The senior teams are rather low.

All Whites vs Myanmar | Thuwanna Stadium, Yangon | 11.30pm | Mon 7 September

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