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Posted November 27, 2013 20:58 · last edited November 27, 2013 21:05

2ndBest wrote:

Joining the last stage of AFC (let’s assume it happen) does have its issues.

The key question for me is whether there is separate qualification for the Confeds Cup and for the spot in the Asia WCQ phase.

Either way, OFC qualification would need to start early.

The final stage of Asia WCQ last time ran from June 2012 to June 2013. So assuming there are two more teams, and then an internal playoff between the two groups, you’d expect that would run from June 2016 to November 2017 (which would include some space for friendlies and the Confederations Cup in June 2017). Thus we would need to find our OFC representative by March 2016.

If OFC had a separate path for Confeds Cup and Asia WCQ phase, then you’d expect a tournament style competition in June 2015 for the Confeds Cup, then a subsequent home and away series for four teams over Sept, Oct, Nov 2015 international windows.  However there is issues there as the Pacific Game, which was used as the First Stage of OFC WCQ is taking place 4-18 July 2015. Logistically and financially, it seems difficult.

If it is the same path, then there are significant implications if we do another Honiara. That is, no confeds cup, and no final Asia WCQ phase. I guess this may mean a simple home and away series between the 4/5 best teams over Sept, Oct, Nov 2015, Mar 2016 international windows. But then there is a question how you find those 4/5 best teams. Maybe the 4 from last time plus the winner of the Pacific Games.

Just to add on there.

FIFA will not allow the Pacific Games to be used for the purposes of WCQ because teams from Asia are involved. This was the case in 2011 and hence why the OFC Nations Cup was resurrected as a tournament in Honiara.

If the Pacific Games do not allow teams from Asia, then the games can be used for WCQ. In 2007, there were no teams from Asia and thus, the Pacific Games was 'stage 2' to find the 4 teams that went on to what is effectively 'stage 3' and play home and away for the 'OFC Nations Cup'.

If they revert back to what they did in Samoa in 2007 and do not allow teams from Asia to compete, the 4 finalists at the Pacific Games in 2015 will go to the home and away legs (which we had recently as stage 3) and compete for the 'OFC Nations Cup'

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Jeff Vader edited November 27, 2013 21:05
2ndBest wrote:

Joining the last stage of AFC (let’s assume it happen) does have its issues.

The key question for me is whether there is separate qualification for the Confeds Cup and for the spot in the Asia WCQ phase.

Either way, OFC qualification would need to start early.

The final stage of Asia WCQ last time ran from June 2012 to June 2013. So assuming there are two more teams, and then an internal playoff between the two groups, you’d expect that would run from June 2016 to November 2017 (which would include some space for friendlies and the Confederations Cup in June 2017). Thus we would need to find our OFC representative by March 2016.

If OFC had a separate path for Confeds Cup and Asia WCQ phase, then you’d expect a tournament style competition in June 2015 for the Confeds Cup, then a subsequent home and away series for four teams over Sept, Oct, Nov 2015 international windows.  However there is issues there as the Pacific Game, which was used as the First Stage of OFC WCQ is taking place 4-18 July 2015. Logistically and financially, it seems difficult.

If it is the same path, then there are significant implications if we do another Honiara. That is, no confeds cup, and no final Asia WCQ phase. I guess this may mean a simple home and away series between the 4/5 best teams over Sept, Oct, Nov 2015, Mar 2016 international windows. But then there is a question how you find those 4/5 best teams. Maybe the 4 from last time plus the winner of the Pacific Games.

Just to correct you there.

FIFA will not allow the Pacific Games to be used for the purposes of WCQ because teams from Asia are involved. This was the case in 2011 and hence why the OFC Nations Cup was resurrected as a tournament in Honiara.

If the Pacific Games do not allow teams from Asia, then the games can be used for WCQ. In 2007, there were no teams from Asia and thus, the Pacific Games was 'stage 2' to find the 4 teams that went on to what is effectively 'stage 3' and play home and away for the 'OFC Nations Cup'.

If they revert back to what they did in Samoa in 2007 and do not allow teams from Asia to compete, the 4 finalists at the Pacific Games in 2015 will go to the home and away legs (which we had recently as stage 3) and compete for the 'OFC Nations Cup'