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All Whites' Oceania/Asia Confederation Conundrum

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Should New Zealand join the Asian Confederation?

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Should New Zealand join the Asian Confederation?

lots of pros and cons.

some of mine:

pros:

-great for the pheonix to join the acl comp

-national team will play the socceroos more often in important games

cons:

-may be a harder task for the national team to make the world cup. playing against the 5th best South american side may be an easier task to qualify, than competing against some of the stronger asian teams.

-playing against the solomon islands is great fun!

discuss........

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

no they shouldnt caz they not asia, simple as that.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'd love NZ to join Asia, as the higher quality of the confederation has only got to be good for the game in NZ long term.

We aren't asia, but then neither are the Aussies, and there are plenty of blonde heads in the some of the central Asian sides (all the .........stans).

I actually wonder if Asia needs to be cut in two - Central Asia and the Middle East in one confederation, South & East Asia and the Pacific in the other.

Of course I'd expect that the most likely best outcome would be that the confederations stay as they are, but the top Oceania team joins the Asian qualifying process at some point.

Dragon2007-05-11 04:30:26

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

MelbourneFan wrote:

I think the top oceania team will play an asian team to qualify not a south amercian team. Not sure whether it will be a one off home and away or in a group.
sanday2007-05-11 08:08:26

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

[QUOTE=pavlos8]no they shouldnt caz they not asia, simple as that. [/QUOTE

That's not an argument. .. Australia are part of the Asian Confederation. . . And besides, all they need to do is rename it if that would make you happy to Asia/ Pacific or something like that.

I think joining Asia would be the best thing for NZ football. More regular international matches of a superior quality. Greater revenues, bigger crowds, opportunities for our players to get exposed to coaches/ scouts from bigger clubs, conferderation club championships. ... . the list goes on.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I agree. They should maybe look at unifying the two and call is Asia/Pacific as you mentioned. It would get the national team better games against stronger teams.

I mean come on as metioned before playing teams like Solomon Island and Tahiti does get a little boring.

Thoughts????

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

nup. not till we're good.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Da Selekta wrote:

nup. not till we're good.

Maybe if we jumped we might get good. . ..

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Regular games, regular income, more exposure to quality, home games would attract more punters, than say Chile v NZ. Still, there is a small but growing number of South Americans in Auckland, mainly students at Uni.of Auckland's Business School which is accredited in the Americas, Europe, UK.

The one-off play off is unhelpful to improving our game.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

still werenot gonna get any better by stayin in oceania if we move to asia we will develop better skills

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

pavlos8 wrote:

no they shouldnt caz they not asia, simple as that.

Nor is australia.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yes lets do it in my mind Asia and oceania should just merge

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

sanday wrote:

MelbourneFan wrote:

I think the top oceania team will play an asian team to qualify not a south amercian team. Not sure whether it will be a one off home and away or in a group.

if you remember a few years back, the socceroos (top oceania team) played uruguay (5th SM team) to qualify for the world cup.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

We are creaming it with age group and womens with Oceania at the mo

Founder

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

MelbourneFan wrote:

sanday wrote:

MelbourneFan wrote:

I think the top oceania team will play an asian team to qualify not a south amercian team. Not sure whether it will be a one off home and away or in a group.

if you remember a few years back, the socceroos (top oceania team) played uruguay (5th SM team) to qualify for the world cup.

O.K. i see what you mean. Yes i remember Australia playing Uruguay.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

We are creaming it with age group and womens with Oceania at the mo

Exactly there is just no one to test us in oceania.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think we should join Asia. Will be a great for us long suffering AW's fans to see good quality matches at home. Sure, it will be harder to reach the WC, but I would prefer to see a few good games every year than hold out for a spot in the WC every 30 or 40 years.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think we should join Asia

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think Oceania should become a sub group of Asia - so the winner of Oceania then goes into the later rounds of Asian qualifying - whether that'sWorld Cup or whatever.

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

if your wanting to get thrashed 4-0 each game go for it!

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

CelticFC wrote:

if your wanting to get thrashed 4-0 each game go for it!

This will only happen initially. Look at the example of South Korea - stuffed 9-0 in their first World Cup, but after the door opened for Asia, 6 consecutive tournaments has seen them become competitive. Continual exposure to higher levels will lead to improved standards in NZ and Oceania. I'm in favour of merging Asia and Oceania, rather than NZ jumping ship and leaving the rest of Oceania. The splitting of West Asia and East Asia + Oceania makes a lot of sense.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I believe we should just hold tight for now and continue to ensure our age group teams are winning their OFC tournaments and we start building up the funds we earn from making it to FIFA tournaments. The game here needs dollars, money we can get most readily and easily by winning these OFC tournaments, including the biggy - the O-League. Without money the game ain't going to move anywhere.

However, if we were to leave the OFC confederation I'd prefer to join the South American Confederation, playing Uruguay, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Venezuela, Columbia, Peru etc. These are far better sides to be playing and the more we play them the more we can develop an entertaining style of play and player.

I'm not particularly enthused by the more "English" concepts of playing football that we tend to hold close. Grit and determination only carry you so far, we need to be seeing technically proficient and skilled individuals making it. And we need to see some variety on the pitch. I'm damned sick and tired of watching most of our internationals being played via the back four who can quite adequately pass the ball across the park to each other - but where is the forward motion? The attacking side needs to be worked on. I'd rather support an attack minded All Whites than an All White side hell bend on a defence first approach.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Kiwi Canary wrote:

And we need to see some variety on the pitch. I'm damned sick and tired of watching most of our internationals being played via the back four who can quite adequately pass the ball across the park to each other - but where is the forward motion? The attacking side needs to be worked on. I'd rather support an attack minded All Whites than an All White side hell bend on a defence first approach.

Here, here!

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

No, in Wales and Ukraine...

Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Kiwi Canary wrote:

Good Point! We should reap some rewards with the current structure and it should give youth players a lot of reason to stick and football with these current opportunities.

It must be a bit of headache for FIFA to deal with this whole Oceana region. I am sure they will be monitoring our progress. If we don't start performing or the region doesn't grow stronger they will make a change. I think what they are really doing is trying to promote the game in the Islands. FIFA would have loved for an island team to have qualified for u17,19 or youth womans. And to be fair, those islands would have got behind their teams with some passion and pride.

If we build it, they will come...

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Longshot, but well see.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

no.

Look at the simple facts, age group teams at youth world cups, women at senior world cups.

The men are getting quality fixtures now anyways and at the moment we get to play off the 6th placed Asian team for the w. cup. Would we make the top 6, no, this way its a one off game to glory, and anything can happen on a one off.

Youth w. cups are to important to loose, why do you think so many aussies are now overseas????

go oceania

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Nah keep out of there so we can get beaten by fiji or the solomnons again

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

TouchMe wrote:

no.

Look at the simple facts, age group teams at youth world cups, women at senior world cups.

I reckon stay for as long as Oceania has direct entry to the youth and women world cups. These opportunities are too good to pass up.

We probably have a reasonable show of qualifying at mens' level with a 1 off playoff with an Asian side. From the perspective of getting more quality games it would be great if the Oceania winner went into something like the Asian Top 10 playoffs with the top teams qualifying for the WC.

At the end of the day it will alld epend on what FIFA decides to do with Oceania I think. We will end up doing what we are told.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

You should definately go into Asia.

You will see the rewards in 5 years time.

First of all when the A-League introduces its youth league in V4 or 5 you will have the best youth team by far, you will have the whole under 21 squad that is based in NZ pretty much and once they develope in 5 years you guys will strike gold in my opinion.

In asia you guys will get much more money through sponsership and you will play more games. I think if you had a full squad you would be competetive in Asia. The more money you guys get, the more players will come back to get player appearence fees like Mulligan, Killeen etc when you play.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

FIFA will tell Oceania what to do and where to go.

I dont think NZ will get into Asia without dragging the rest of Oceania with us unless we win each game in Oceania Quals by big margins, in which case if we were to move on Oceania would most likely close and create a tier 2 Asia qualifier system.

it would be nice to see the top kiwi club/s qualify for the Asian club champs...

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

gings wrote:

Agree with you lets keep in the Oceania and see if we can lift our standard and get really good. then if can beat the likes of Fiji and the solomons often enough they will surely have to give us some consideration re: Asia or our own spot (Not Likely). We have struggled against these teams recently so lets wait and see

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Kiwi Canary wrote:

That might be cool, but there is no way CONMEBOL would allow it, considering how there are three countries (the guyanas) that are geographically IN south america but playing as members of CONCACAF. CONMEBOL loves the idea of being the only confederation in which any country can plausibly qualify for a world cup, and only one hasn't to date. They're not about to start admitting new members.

I do however have a wild crazy idea for the OFC to gain some oomph though. Consider how the AFC has nearly 60 member nations, most of which are quite weak. If the OFC were to "steal" some weaker AFC members that are geographically close to oceania, such as Indonesia, Brunei, Malaysia, Singapore and the Phillipines, then the confederation would get a nice boost just by increasing its size. Also, this would be the kind of thing that would grab a little much-needed publicity for the OFC. Think of the headlines. "The Little Confederation that Could: OFC Announces Free-Agent Signings". It would be a media darling.

But how would the OFC pull off such a daring move? Well, it's been mentioned in this thread already - relatively easy world cup qualification routes. Two of the afforementioned nations (Phillipines and Brunei) didn't even enter world cup qualifying this time around because asia is simply above their heads, so they don't even bother to try. But with a smaller, less powerful route, they just might be inclined to try, and push the OFC to a slightly higher level. It may not be much but it will be a start and it will surely get FIFA's attention, and will definitely give them some more leverage towards an easier qualifying route (as opposed to the current oceania/south america playoff). Before you know it, Australia will want back in. Then we'll really have something.

Well, a man can dream.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

if we do join asia, then the welingtons could play in that asia champions league instead of the o-league.

BUT that would mean that australians would be classified as foreign players

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

i hope u kiwis arent gonna turn asian? theres to many of them already.. just check the fish and chip shop

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I agree with your post, Proak

Instead of us playing the 4/5th place South American team, winning Oceania should place us in with the Asian qualifiers for the World Cup.

I'd personally be in favour on joining Asia, we need as many games as we can get & the 2-2 draw with the Welsh (with a patched up team) shows we can compete & need the big games to improve.

My 2c

Go the Phoenix!!!!

shasta2007-05-27 23:58:11

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

id love to see a recount of the votes, once you kiwi's watch the asian cup.

or maybe playing against american samoa tickles you fancy!

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

New Zealand should stay for the auto-qual for womens and youth WC
But moving to asia could be better long term.

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almost 19 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Phalio wrote:

I do however have a wild crazy idea for the OFC to gain some oomph though. Consider how the AFC has nearly 60 member nations, most of which are quite weak. If the OFC were to "steal" some weaker AFC members that are geographically close to oceania, such as Indonesia, Brunei, Malaysia, SingaporeÃ¯Â¿Â½and the Phillipines, then the confederation would get a nice boost just by increasing its size. Also, this would be the kind of thing that would grab a little much-needed publicity for the OFC. Think of the headlines. "The Little Confederation that Could: OFC Announces Free-Agent Signings". It would be a media darling.

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But how would the OFCÃ¯Â¿Â½ pull off such a daring move? Well, it's been mentioned in this thread already - relatively easy world cup qualification routes. Two of the afforementioned nations (Phillipines and Brunei) didn't even enter world cup qualifying this time around because asia is simply above their heads, so they don't even bother to try. But with a smaller, less powerful route, they just might be inclined to try, and push the OFC to a slightly higher level. It may not be much but it will be a start and it will surely get FIFA's attention, and will definitely give them some more leverage towards anÃ¯Â¿Â½easier qualifying route (as opposed to the current oceania/south america playoff). Before you know it, Australia will want back in. Then we'll really have something.

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Well, a man can dream.

That's a good idean and I think NZ football, OFC, and FIFA really need to consider it. It actually is a genius idea. Only problem is it would be geographically incorrect if Australia is part of AFC and some of the countries to the North of Australia (who are closer to the mainland of Asia) are in OFC. Maybe we should take the Phillipines, Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, AND Australia to save confusion.

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