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Posted October 12, 2017 01:15 · last edited October 13, 2017 01:39

austin11 wrote:

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100% this AlfStamp, on both your posts.

You have hit the nail right on the head.

When Hudson arrived he talked about being a Bielsa disciple and wanted to play "modern" football. You could argue that currently we have the best group of players that the AW's have ever had to play that style of football. When you look at the club football played by the likes of Rojas, Thomas, Weemac, Barbarouses, Tuiloma etc you see that they are all exposed to 100% "modern" football all the time. They train for it  as pro footballers all week, they play it every weekend. It should have been easy for Hudson to adopt this style of football as it is the style that his key players know the best.

What is obvious to me now is that Hudson does not know how to coach that style......in fact I am not sure if we know what Hudsons style of football is. The hoof ball dross in the Islands was not a good look....however for me the Con Cup opening game against Russia was the absolute nadir. It was for me the worse football I have ever seen form an AW side for as long as I can remember. Selecting a bunch of small quick players and then spending the whole match hoofing the ball at Wood from anywhere on the pitch was embarassing to watch. "worse than pub football" was one comment I read in the UK football press.

So where to now?. Despite us all getting our hopes up for a miracle against Peru we won't win. Hopefully there will be a cleanout after the playoffs and Hudson will go. I personally would like to see an experianced more technical coach appointed. Maybe someone like that Austrian guy who is NZ football director??? Luckily we still have lots of players who are young enough for another WC cycle.

I agree with that, and with Alf's post.

The problem lies not with Hudson but with people who employed him - at the end of the day we had options to choose a new coach from a reasonably wide pool and it seems to me clearly we do not have the required skillset up in the NZF office to make this kind of decisions well.

No disrespect to British football, but we cannot match their wages to get their talent from the top tier (say Championship level coaches). For that reason (and for my personal bias) I would rather see a decent continental coach here or for that matter even a Japanese or a Latin American coach of some quality, simply because there is more skillful passing football played and taught there. Japan improved out of sight after their loss to Australia in the 2006 WC in Germany, and are no longer in the same league; same goes for South Korea.  So maybe it is time to ask if the problem lies with the provincial mindset of NZF rather than an individual coach.

This argument only holds water if we produce youngsters with the right skills. And the comments quoting tiny Iceland's achievements disprove any arguments like "Peru has 36 M people, so of course we'll lose".  Well, the numbers are important, but the mighty USA just missed qualifying, and even Russia is yet to reach semifinals of WC. In contrast, the much smaller Netherlands team may have never won the WC, but they often looked the most likely. Small countries can compete well on the world stage if their sport is consistently well looked after, at all levels, and even then there are still many factors deciding each top level game.

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Unknown editor edited October 13, 2017 01:39
austin11 wrote:

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100% this AlfStamp, on both your posts.

You have hit the nail right on the head.

When Hudson arrived he talked about being a Bielsa disciple and wanted to play "modern" football. You could argue that currently we have the best group of players that the AW's have ever had to play that style of football. When you look at the club football played by the likes of Rojas, Thomas, Weemac, Barbarouses, Tuiloma etc you see that they are all exposed to 100% "modern" football all the time. They train for it  as pro footballers all week, they play it every weekend. It should have been easy for Hudson to adopt this style of football as it is the style that his key players know the best.

What is obvious to me now is that Hudson does not know how to coach that style......in fact I am not sure if we know what Hudsons style of football is. The hoof ball dross in the Islands was not a good look....however for me the Con Cup opening game against Russia was the absolute nadir. It was for me the worse football I have ever seen form an AW side for as long as I can remember. Selecting a bunch of small quick players and then spending the whole match hoofing the ball at Wood from anywhere on the pitch was embarassing to watch. "worse than pub football" was one comment I read in the UK football press.

So where to now?. Despite us all getting our hopes up for a miracle against Peru we won't win. Hopefully there will be a cleanout after the playoffs and Hudson will go. I personally would like to see an experianced more technical coach appointed. Maybe someone like that Austrian guy who is NZ football director??? Luckily we still have lots of players who are young enough for another WC cycle.

I agree with that, and with Alf's post.

The problem lies not with Hudson but with people who employed him - at the end of the day we had options to choose a new coach from a reasonably wide pool and it seems to me clearly we do not have the required skillset up in the NZF office to make this kind of decisions well.

No disrespect to British football, but we cannot match their wages to get the talent from the top tier. Personally I would favour a decent continental coach or for that matter even a Japanese or a Latin American coach of some quality, simply because there is more skillful passing football played and taught there. Japan improved out of sight after their loss to Australia in the 2006 WC in Germany, and are no longer in the same league; same goes for South Korea.  So maybe it is time to ask if the problem lies with the provincial mindset of NZF rather than an individual coach.

This argument only holds water if we produce youngsters with the right skills. And the comments quoting Iceland's achievements trump arguments saying "Peru has 36 M people, of course we'll lose".  Well, the numbers are important, but the mighty USA just missed qualifying, and Russia is yet to reach semifinals of WC.The Netherlands may have never won the WC, but they often looked the most likely. Small countries can compete well if their sport is well looked after, at all levels, and even then there are many factors deciding each top level game.

Unknown editor edited October 12, 2017 01:23
austin11 wrote:

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100% this AlfStamp, on both your posts.

You have hit the nail right on the head.

When Hudson arrived he talked about being a Bielsa disciple and wanted to play "modern" football. You could argue that currently we have the best group of players that the AW's have ever had to play that style of football. When you look at the club football played by the likes of Rojas, Thomas, Weemac, Barbarouses, Tuiloma etc you see that they are all exposed to 100% "modern" football all the time. They train for it  as pro footballers all week, they play it every weekend. It should have been easy for Hudson to adopt this style of football as it is the style that his key players know the best.

What is obvious to me now is that Hudson does not know how to coach that style......in fact I am not sure if we know what Hudsons style of football is. The hoof ball dross in the Islands was not a good look....however for me the Con Cup opening game against Russia was the absolute nadir. It was for me the worse football I have ever seen form an AW side for as long as I can remember. Selecting a bunch of small quick players and then spending the whole match hoofing the ball at Wood from anywhere on the pitch was embarassing to watch. "worse than pub football" was one comment I read in the UK football press.

So where to now?. Despite us all getting our hopes up for a miracle against Peru we won't win. Hopefully there will be a cleanout after the playoffs and Hudson will go. I personally would like to see an experianced more technical coach appointed. Maybe someone like that Austrian guy who is NZ football director??? Luckily we still have lots of players who are young enough for another WC cycle.

I agree with that, and with Alf's post.

The problem lies not with Hudson but with people who employed him - at the end of the day we had options to choose a new coach from a reasonably wide pool and it seems to me clearly we do not have the required skillset up in the NZF office to make this kind of decisions well.

No disrespect to British football, but we cannot match their wages to get the talent from the top tier. Personally I would favour a decent continental coach or for that matter even a Japanese or a Latin American coach of some quality, simply because there is more skillful passing football played and taught there. Japan improved out of sight after their loss to Australia in the 2006 WC in Germany, and are no longer in the same league; same goes for South Korea.  So maybe it is time to ask if the problem lies with the provincial mindset of NZF rather than an individual coach.

This argument only holds water if we produce youngsters with the right skills. And the comments quoting Iceland's achievements trump arguments saying "Peru has 36 M people, of course we'll lose".  Well, the numbers are important, but the mighty USA just missed qualifying, and Russia is yet to reach semifinals of WC.The Netherlands have never won the WC, even if they often looked the most likely. Small countries can compete well if their sport is well looked after, at all levels, and even then there are many factors deciding each top level game.

Unknown editor edited October 12, 2017 01:22
austin11 wrote:

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100% this AlfStamp, on both your posts.

You have hit the nail right on the head.

When Hudson arrived he talked about being a Bielsa disciple and wanted to play "modern" football. You could argue that currently we have the best group of players that the AW's have ever had to play that style of football. When you look at the club football played by the likes of Rojas, Thomas, Weemac, Barbarouses, Tuiloma etc you see that they are all exposed to 100% "modern" football all the time. They train for it  as pro footballers all week, they play it every weekend. It should have been easy for Hudson to adopt this style of football as it is the style that his key players know the best.

What is obvious to me now is that Hudson does not know how to coach that style......in fact I am not sure if we know what Hudsons style of football is. The hoof ball dross in the Islands was not a good look....however for me the Con Cup opening game against Russia was the absolute nadir. It was for me the worse football I have ever seen form an AW side for as long as I can remember. Selecting a bunch of small quick players and then spending the whole match hoofing the ball at Wood from anywhere on the pitch was embarassing to watch. "worse than pub football" was one comment I read in the UK football press.

So where to now?. Despite us all getting our hopes up for a miracle against Peru we won't win. Hopefully there will be a cleanout after the playoffs and Hudson will go. I personally would like to see an experianced more technical coach appointed. Maybe someone like that Austrian guy who is NZ football director??? Luckily we still have lots of players who are young enough for another WC cycle.

I agree with that, and with Alf's post.

The problem lies not with Hudson but with people who employed him - at the end of the day we had options to choose a new coach from a reasonably wide pool and it seems to me clearly we do not have the required skillset up in the NZF office to make this kind of decisions well.

Personally I would favour a decent continental coach or for that matter even a Japanese or a Latin American coach of some quality, simply because there is more skillful passing football played and taught there. Japan improved out of sight after their loss to Australia in the 2006 WC in Germany, and are no longer in the same league; same goes for South Korea.  So maybe it is time to ask if the problem lies with the provincial mindset of NZF rather than an individual coach.

This argument only holds water if we produce youngsters with the right skills. And the comments quoting Iceland's achievements trump arguments saying "Peru has 36 M people, of course we'll lose".  Well, the numbers are important, but the mighty USA just missed qualifying, and Russia is yet to reach semifinals of WC.The Netherlands have never won the WC, even if they often looked the most likely. Small countries can compete well if their sport is well looked after, at all levels, and even then there are many factors deciding each top level game.

Unknown editor edited October 12, 2017 01:21
austin11 wrote:

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100% this AlfStamp, on both your posts.

You have hit the nail right on the head.

When Hudson arrived he talked about being a Bielsa disciple and wanted to play "modern" football. You could argue that currently we have the best group of players that the AW's have ever had to play that style of football. When you look at the club football played by the likes of Rojas, Thomas, Weemac, Barbarouses, Tuiloma etc you see that they are all exposed to 100% "modern" football all the time. They train for it  as pro footballers all week, they play it every weekend. It should have been easy for Hudson to adopt this style of football as it is the style that his key players know the best.

What is obvious to me now is that Hudson does not know how to coach that style......in fact I am not sure if we know what Hudsons style of football is. The hoof ball dross in the Islands was not a good look....however for me the Con Cup opening game against Russia was the absolute nadir. It was for me the worse football I have ever seen form an AW side for as long as I can remember. Selecting a bunch of small quick players and then spending the whole match hoofing the ball at Wood from anywhere on the pitch was embarassing to watch. "worse than pub football" was one comment I read in the UK football press.

So where to now?. Despite us all getting our hopes up for a miracle against Peru we won't win. Hopefully there will be a cleanout after the playoffs and Hudson will go. I personally would like to see an experianced more technical coach appointed. Maybe someone like that Austrian guy who is NZ football director??? Luckily we still have lots of players who are young enough for another WC cycle.

I agree with that, and with Alf's post.

The problem lies not with Hudson but with people who employ him - at the end of the day we had options to choose a new coach from a reasonably wide pool and it seems to me clearly we do not have the required skillset up in the NZF office to make this kind of decisions well.

Personally I would favour a decent continental coach or for that matter even a Japanese or a Latin American coach of some quality, simply because there is more skillful passing football played and taught there. Japan improved out of sight after their loss to Australia in the 2006 WC in Germany, and are no longer in the same league; same goes for South Korea.  So maybe it is time to ask if the problem lies with the provincial mindset of NZF rather than an individual coach.

This argument only holds water if we produce youngsters with the right skills. And the comments quoting Iceland's achievements trump arguments saying "Peru has 36 M people, of course we'll lose".  Well, the numbers are important, but the mighty USA just missed qualifying, and Russia is yet to reach semifinals of WC.The Netherlands have never won the WC, even if they often looked the most likely. Small countries can compete well if their sport is well looked after, at all levels, and even then there are many factors deciding each top level game.

Unknown editor edited October 12, 2017 01:21
austin11 wrote:

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100% this AlfStamp, on both your posts.

You have hit the nail right on the head.

When Hudson arrived he talked about being a Bielsa disciple and wanted to play "modern" football. You could argue that currently we have the best group of players that the AW's have ever had to play that style of football. When you look at the club football played by the likes of Rojas, Thomas, Weemac, Barbarouses, Tuiloma etc you see that they are all exposed to 100% "modern" football all the time. They train for it  as pro footballers all week, they play it every weekend. It should have been easy for Hudson to adopt this style of football as it is the style that his key players know the best.

What is obvious to me now is that Hudson does not know how to coach that style......in fact I am not sure if we know what Hudsons style of football is. The hoof ball dross in the Islands was not a good look....however for me the Con Cup opening game against Russia was the absolute nadir. It was for me the worse football I have ever seen form an AW side for as long as I can remember. Selecting a bunch of small quick players and then spending the whole match hoofing the ball at Wood from anywhere on the pitch was embarassing to watch. "worse than pub football" was one comment I read in the UK football press.

So where to now?. Despite us all getting our hopes up for a miracle against Peru we won't win. Hopefully there will be a cleanout after the playoffs and Hudson will go. I personally would like to see an experianced more technical coach appointed. Maybe someone like that Austrian guy who is NZ football director??? Luckily we still have lots of players who are young enough for another WC cycle.

I agree with that, and with Alf's post.

The problem lies not with Hudson but with people who employ him - at the end of the day we have options to choose from and clearly we do not have the required skillset up in the NZF office to make this kind of decisions.

Personally I would always prefer a decent continental coach or what matter a Japanese or a Latin American coach of some quality, simply because there is more passing football played and taught there. Japan improved out of sight after their loss to Australia in the 2006 WC in Germany, and are no longer in the same league; same goes for South Korea.  So maybe it is time to ask if the problem lies with the provincial mindset of NZF rather than an individual coach.

But the arguments quoting Iceland or Denmark also trump arguments saying "Peru has 36 M people, of course we'll lose".  Well, the mighty USA just missed qualifying. Small countries can play well if their sport is well looked after, at all levels.