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Posted October 14, 2017 01:54 · last edited October 14, 2017 02:12

Leggy wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Big Pete 65 wrote:

Steptoe wrote:

Tekkers wrote:

Steptoe wrote:

 NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money

Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?

Financing a charter flight from Wellington to Lima would be the quickest, least stressful way to transport the squad and thereby maximise the odds for a good performance in the 2nd leg. Yes, it involves $$$ but based on the revenue for TV rights from the Mexico play-off and Peru's population (25% of Mexico's), there would be plenty of change left over.

It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.

We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.

They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.

Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...

No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.

Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.

There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.

Over an 8 hour flight from Malaysia to Sydney.

The best way for us to go to Lima would be via Santiago which is 11 hours and then a 3 hour hop from there.

8 hours is nothing compared to the long haul to Lima.

Your figures on flight time to Lima are way out !

LAN Chile fly to Lima from Auckland but it is a more than 21 hour flight via Melbourne and Santiago, Chile.

See flight info here:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/

Various options to fly on Sunday November 12 on 22 hours plus flights via Melbourne and Santiago.

The flight time from Auckland to Santiago is 11 hours and 5 mins. From Santiago to Lima is about 3.5 hours.

Why would you want to go via Melbourne, you  are going the wrong way.

Because LAN Chile generally only offer flights from Auckland to Santiago and on to Lima via Melbourne or Sydney.

NZ is too small to have enough people interested in direct flights - hence you must fly to Australia and then on from there.

Flight info for Saturday PM November 12 here:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...

One flight departing Auckland  6.20 pm - 19 hour 35 minute flight to Lima via Santiago. 

Flight info for Sunday November 12 here on LAN Chile: Auckland - Santiago - Lima (must fly via Melbourne):

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...

Shortest flight time on LAN Chile 12/11/17 = 26 hours 20 minutes

Air NZ only offer flights to Lima via Buenos Aires.

But they offer far fewer flights than LAN Chile (generally flying to South America only every second day)

They have no flights on Saturday November 11 at all.

Shortest flight time on Air NZ Sunday November 12 Auckland - Buenos Aires - Lima = 19 hours 35 mins 

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Unknown editor edited October 14, 2017 02:12
Leggy wrote:
Big Pete 65 wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Big Pete 65 wrote:
Steptoe wrote:
Tekkers wrote:
Steptoe wrote:

 NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money

Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?

Financing a charter flight from Wellington to Lima would be the quickest, least stressful way to transport the squad and thereby maximise the odds for a good performance in the 2nd leg. Yes, it involves $$$ but based on the revenue for TV rights from the Mexico play-off and Peru's population (25% of Mexico's), there would be plenty of change left over.

It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.

We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.

They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.

Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...

No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.

Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.

There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.

Over an 8 hour flight from Malaysia to Sydney.

The best way for us to go to Lima would be via Santiago which is 11 hours and then a 3 hour hop from there.

8 hours is nothing compared to the long haul to Lima.

Your figures on flight time to Lima are way out !

LAN Chile fly to Lima from Auckland but it is a more than 21 hour flight via Melbourne and Santiago, Chile.

See flight info here:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/

Various options to fly on Sunday November 12 on 22 hours plus flights via Melbourne and Santiago.

The flight time from Auckland to Santiago is 11 hours and 5 mins. From Santiago to Lima is about 3.5 hours.

Why would you want to go via Melbourne, you  are going the wrong way.

Because LAN Chile generally only offer flights from Auckland to Santiago and on to Lima via Melbourne or Sydney.

NZ is too small to have enough people interested in direct flights - hence you must fly to Australia and then on from there.

Flight info for Saturday PM November 12 here:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...

One flight departing Auckland  6.20 pm - 19 hour 35 minute flight to Lima via Santiago. 

Flight info for Sunday November 12 here on LAN Chile: Auckland - Santiago - Lima (must fly via Melbourne):

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...

Shortest flight time on LAN Chile 12/11/17 = 26 hours 20 minutes

Air NZ only offer flights to Lima via Buenos Aires.

Shortest flight time on Air NZ 12/11/17 Auckland - Buenos Aires - Lima = 19 hours 35 mins 

Unknown editor edited October 14, 2017 02:06
Leggy wrote:
Big Pete 65 wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Big Pete 65 wrote:
Steptoe wrote:
Tekkers wrote:
Steptoe wrote:

 NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money

Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?

Financing a charter flight from Wellington to Lima would be the quickest, least stressful way to transport the squad and thereby maximise the odds for a good performance in the 2nd leg. Yes, it involves $$$ but based on the revenue for TV rights from the Mexico play-off and Peru's population (25% of Mexico's), there would be plenty of change left over.

It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.

We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.

They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.

Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...

No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.

Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.

There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.

Over an 8 hour flight from Malaysia to Sydney.

The best way for us to go to Lima would be via Santiago which is 11 hours and then a 3 hour hop from there.

8 hours is nothing compared to the long haul to Lima.

Your figures on flight time to Lima are way out !

LAN Chile fly to Lima from Auckland but it is a more than 21 hour flight via Melbourne and Santiago, Chile.

See flight info here:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/

Various options to fly on Sunday November 12 on 22 hours plus flights via Melbourne and Santiago.

The flight time from Auckland to Santiago is 11 hours and 5 mins. From Santiago to Lima is about 3.5 hours.

Why would you want to go via Melbourne, you  are going the wrong way.

Because LAN Chile generally only offer flights from Auckland to Santiago and on to Lima via Melbourne or Sydney.

NZ is too small to have enough people interested in direct flights - hence you must fly to Australia and then on from there.

Flight info for Saturday PM November 12 here:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...

One flight departing Auckland  6.20 pm - 19 hour 35 minute flight to Lima via Santiago. 

Flight info for Sunday November 12 here on LAN Chile: Auckland - Santiago - Lima (must fly via Melbourne):

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...

Shortest flight time on LAN Chile 12/11/17 = 26 hours 20 minutes

Air NZ also fly to Santiago, Chile - but only via Buenos Aires , so you'd be flying Auckland - Buenos Aires - Santiago - Lima.

Flight info for Sunday November 12 Air NZ Auckland - Santiago (via Buenos Aires) 15 hour 25 min. flight:

https://flightbookings.airnewzealand.co.nz/vbook/a...

There's no point in flying to Lima on Air NZ via Santiago because they offer flights Auckland - Buenos Aires - Lima anyway.

Shortest flight time on Air NZ 12/11/17 Auckland - Buenos Aires - Lima = 19 hours 35 mins 

Unknown editor edited October 14, 2017 01:59
Leggy wrote:
Big Pete 65 wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Big Pete 65 wrote:
Steptoe wrote:
Tekkers wrote:
Steptoe wrote:

 NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money

Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?

Financing a charter flight from Wellington to Lima would be the quickest, least stressful way to transport the squad and thereby maximise the odds for a good performance in the 2nd leg. Yes, it involves $$$ but based on the revenue for TV rights from the Mexico play-off and Peru's population (25% of Mexico's), there would be plenty of change left over.

It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.

We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.

They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.

Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...

No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.

Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.

There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.

Over an 8 hour flight from Malaysia to Sydney.

The best way for us to go to Lima would be via Santiago which is 11 hours and then a 3 hour hop from there.

8 hours is nothing compared to the long haul to Lima.

Your figures on flight time to Lima are way out !

LAN Chile fly to Lima from Auckland but it is a more than 21 hour flight via Melbourne and Santiago, Chile.

See flight info here:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/

Various options to fly on Sunday November 12 on 22 hours plus flights via Melbourne and Santiago.

The flight time from Auckland to Santiago is 11 hours and 5 mins. From Santiago to Lima is about 3.5 hours.

Why would you want to go via Melbourne, you  are going the wrong way.

Because LAN Chile generally only offer flights from Auckland to Santiago and on to Lima via Melbourne or Sydney.

NZ is too small to have enough people interested in direct flights - hence you must fly to Australia and then on from there.

Flight info for Saturday PM November 12 here:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...

One flight departing Auckland  6.20 pm - 19 hour 35 minute flight to Lima via Santiago. 

Flight info for Sunday November 12 here on LAN Chile: Auckland - Santiago - Lima:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...

Shortest flight time on LAN Chile 12/11/17 = 26 hours 20 minutes

Air NZ also fly to Santiago, Chile - but only via Buenos Aires , so you'd be flying Auckland - Buenos Aires - Santiago - Lima.

Flight info for Sunday November 12 Air NZ Auckland - Santiago (via Buenos Aires) 15 hour 25 min. flight:

https://flightbookings.airnewzealand.co.nz/vbook/a...

There's no point in flying to Lima on Air NZ via Santiago because they offer flights Auckland - Buenos Aires - Lima anyway.

Shortest flight time on Air NZ 12/11/17 Auckland - Buenos Aires - Lima = 19 hours 35 mins 

Unknown editor edited October 14, 2017 01:55
Leggy wrote:
Big Pete 65 wrote:
Leggy wrote:
Big Pete 65 wrote:
Steptoe wrote:
Tekkers wrote:
Steptoe wrote:

 NZF could finance it from the 1st leg TV money

Surely the priority of the scheduling should be on allowing the best performance for the team, not $$$?

Financing a charter flight from Wellington to Lima would be the quickest, least stressful way to transport the squad and thereby maximise the odds for a good performance in the 2nd leg. Yes, it involves $$$ but based on the revenue for TV rights from the Mexico play-off and Peru's population (25% of Mexico's), there would be plenty of change left over.

It doesn't matter if it's a charter flight or a regular flight, playing on Saturday will harm the All Whites' chances.

We should be suspicious that Peru are agreeable to a Saturday game.

They are doing so because it gives them an advantage having more time to prepare for what is a more difficult away leg for them. FIFA dictates players must be released by their clubs the previous Sunday, giving six days before the Wellington game.They know that the short gap of three days before the Peru leg will kill NZ because NZ will be faced with a 20 hour plus flight on Sunday via Argentina, arriving at about 3pm NZT Monday in Lima, Peru for a game the next day. Peru must be licking their lips, thinking NZF are a bunch of stupid gringos.

Martin at NZF has a background in banking but not in football, so the quote from him in this article about preferring a 3 pm Saturday kickoff in Wellington is all about the money (from TV rights) and not about the best football choice, which would be to play the first leg on Thursday night, giving Peru less time to prepare and more time for our side to prepare afterwards for the away leg the following Tuesday (mid-day Wednesday NZT)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/nz-teams/97...

No use us winning 1-0 or drawing 1-1 in Wellington if our jet-lagged players lose heavily three days later in Lima.

Last World cup, there was one week between legs for the Uruguay - Jordan play-off.

There was five days between legs for the Australia vs. Syria play-off earlier this week (Syria's "home" game was played in Malaysia) - and the distance between Australia and Malaysia is not that great.

Over an 8 hour flight from Malaysia to Sydney.

The best way for us to go to Lima would be via Santiago which is 11 hours and then a 3 hour hop from there.

8 hours is nothing compared to the long haul to Lima.

Your figures on flight time to Lima are way out !

LAN Chile fly to Lima from Auckland but it is a more than 21 hour flight via Melbourne and Santiago, Chile.

See flight info here:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/

Various options to fly on Sunday November 12 on 22 hours plus flights via Melbourne and Santiago.

The flight time from Auckland to Santiago is 11 hours and 5 mins. From Santiago to Lima is about 3.5 hours.

Why would you want to go via Melbourne, you  are going the wrong way.

Because LAN Chile generally only offer flights from Auckland to Santiago and on to Lima via Melbourne or Sydney.

NZ is too small to have enough people interested in direct flights - hence you must fly to Australia and then on from there.

Flight info for Saturday PM November 12 here:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...

One flight departing Auckland  6.20 pm - 19 hour 35 minute flight to Lima via Santiago. 

Flight info for Sunday November 12 here on LAN Chile: Auckland - Santiago - Lima:

http://booking.lan.com/en_nz/apps/personas/compra?...

Shortest flight time on LAN Chile 12/11/17 = 26 hours 20 minutes

Air NZ also fly to Santiago, Chile - but only via Buenos Aires , so you'd be flying Auckland - Buenos Aires - Santiago - Lima.

Flight info for Sunday November 12 Air NZ Auckland - Santiago (via Buenos Aires) 15 hour 25 min. flight:

https://flightbookings.airnewzealand.co.nz/vbook/a...

There's no point in flying to Lima on Air NZ via Santiago because they offer flights Auckland - Buenos Aires - Lima anyway.

Shortest flight time on Air NZ 12/11/17 Auckland - Buenos Aires - Lima = 19 hours 35 mins