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Posted March 24, 2024 03:52 · last edited March 24, 2024 05:23

martinb
So we have to accept garbage football because it’s an international? Surely lots of big lads in the local league. Such a dumb argument. #facepalm. 

We could play better and find a way to get service to our better players. 

No, you'll not thinking this through at all. It's picking players that best fit the structure, and game plan. Like you don't necessarily choose the best midfield players ranked 1-4, but those 3 or 4 that work best with each other.

Is no point just continously playing it out from the back, to be punished with 3 goals in 6 mins by Sweden's quality press. All because if you send it foward Waine loses it every time, and so that becomes useless as an outlet. You have no Plan B and it's all too predictable for the opposition. So you become stuck in your own half and it's wave after wave of Sweden. Waine made one start sans Wood for AWs in 2023, and it was the 4-1 loss in Stockholm. The other start was alongside Wood in the 1-1 Congolese draw.
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/06/16/world/friendlies/sweden/new-zealand/4047203/

It's not like 2010 and continously hoofing it forward to Rory & his elbows hoping for some scraps to feed off. This AWs group has enough quality techical players to for sure play out, but you need to be able to mix it up. 

We have a talented group (by NZ standards), but they are still far far below the overall squad quality of bigger nations. And that includes Australia, who in Qatar did bloody well with Duke up front doing that role, and of course Mooy lying deep pulling the strings. In a nutshell they could mix it up, and overachieved with an on paper pretty average team (compared to their EPL laden 2006 side who also made the R16, also losing to the eventual champs by a goal). They even sent big Harry Souttar forward for the last 10 mins against Argentina and gave them a proper fright. 

Really Arnie only settled on this setup, late in that Qatar WC qualifying phase, like just prior the Peru playoff game from memory. Before that he was so nearly sacked floundering around, not settling on his team. Redmayne saved his bacon for sure.

As Carlind says give Waine a start against Tunisia, absolutely nothing to lose, and hopefully he bangs in a goal or two. But it would be surprise based off how he is going at the moment. 

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Unknown editor edited March 24, 2024 05:23
martinb
So we have to accept garbage football because it’s an international? Surely lots of big lads in the local league. Such a dumb argument. #facepalm. 

We could play better and find a way to get service to our better players. 

No, you'll not thinking this through at all. It's picking players that best fit the structure, and game plan. Like you don't necessarily choose the best midfield players ranked 1-4, but those 3 or 4 that work best with each other.

Is no point just continously playing it out from the back, to be punished with 3 goals in 6 mins by Sweden's quality press. All because if you send it foward Waine loses it every time, and so that becomes useless as an outlet. You have no Plan B and it's all too predictable for the opposition. So you become stuck in your own half and it's wave after wave of Sweden. Waine made one start sans Wood for AWs in 2023, and it was the 4-1 loss in Stockholm. The other start was alongside Wood in the 1-1 Congolese draw.
https://us.soccerway.com/matches/2023/06/16/world/friendlies/sweden/new-zealand/4047203/

It's not like 2010 and continously hoofing it forward to Rory & his elbows hoping for some scraps to feed off. This AWs group has enough quality techical players to for sure play out, but you need to be able to mix it up. 

We have a talented group (by NZ standards), but they are still far far below the overall squad quality of bigger nations. And that includes Australia, who in Qatar did bloody well with Duke up front doing that role, and of course Mooy lying deep pulling the strings. In a nutshell they could mix it up, and overachieved with an on paper pretty average team (compared to their EPL laden 2006 side who also made the R16, also losing to the eventual champs by a goal). They even sent big Harry Souttar forward for the last 10 mins against Argentina and gave them a proper fright. 

Really Arnie only settled on this setup, late in that Qatar WC qualifying, like just prior the Peru playoff game from memory. Prior to that he was so nearly sacked floundering around not settling on his team. Redmayne saved his bacon for sure.

As Carlind says give Waine a start against Tunisia, absolutely nothing to lose, and hopefully he bangs in a goal or two. But it would be surprise based off how he is going at the moment. 
Unknown editor edited March 24, 2024 04:10
martinb
So we have to accept garbage football because it’s an international? Surely lots of big lads in the local league. Such a dumb argument. #facepalm. 

We could play better and find a way to get service to our better players. 

No, you'll not thinking this through at all. It's picking players that best fit the structure, and game plan. Like you don't necessarily choose the best midfield players ranked 1-4, but those 3 or 4 that work best with each other. 

Is no point just continously playing it out from the back, to be punished with 3 goals in 6 mins by Sweden's quality press. All because if you send it foward Waine loses it every time, and so that becomes useless as an outlet. You have no Plan B and it's all too predictable for the opposition. So you become stuck in your own half and it's wave after wave of Sweden. Waine made one start sans Wood for AWs in 2023, and it was the 4-1 loss in Stockholm. The other start was alongside Wood in the 1-1 Congolese draw.

It's not like 2010 and continously hoofing it forward to Rory & his elbows hoping for some scraps to feed off. This AWs group has enough quality techical players to for sure play out, but you need to be able to mix it up. 

We have a talented group (by NZ standards), but they are still far far below the overall squad quality of bigger nations. And that includes Australia, who in Qatar did bloody well with Duke up front doing that role, and of course Mooy lying deep pulling the strings. In a nutshell they could mix it up, and overachieved with an on paper pretty average team (compared to their EPL laden 2006 side who also made the R16, also losing to the eventual champs by a goal). They even sent big Harry Souttar forward for the last 10 mins against Argentina and gave them a proper fright. 

Really Arnie only settled on this setup, late in that Qatar WC qualifying, like just prior the Peru playoff game from memory. Prior to that he was so nearly sacked floundering around not settling on his team. Redmayne saved his bacon for sure.

As Carlind says give Waine a start against Tunisia, absolutely nothing to lose, and hopefully he bangs in a goal or two. But it would be surprise based off how he is going at the moment. 
Unknown editor edited March 24, 2024 04:06
martinb
So we have to accept garbage football because it’s an international? Surely lots of big lads in the local league. Such a dumb argument. #facepalm. 

We could play better and find a way to get service to our better players. 

No, you'll not thinking this through at all. It's picking players that best fit the structure, and game plan. Like you don't necessarily choose the best midfield players ranked 1-4, but those 3 or 4 that work best with each other. 

Is no point just continously playing it out from the back, to be punished with 3 goals in 6 mins by Sweden's quality press. All because if you send it foward Waine loses it every time, and so that becomes useless as an outlet. You have no Plan B and it's all too predictable for the opposition. So you become stuck in your own half and it's wave after wave of Sweden. Waine made one start sans Wood for AWs in 2023, and it was the 4-1 loss in Stockholm. The other start was alongside Wood in the 1-1 Congolese draw.

It's not like 2010 and continously hoofing it forward to Rory & his elbows hoping for some scraps to feed off. This AWs group has enough quality techical players to for sure play out, but you need to be able to mix it up. 

We have a talented group (by NZ standards), but they are still far far below the overall squad quality of bigger nations. And that includes Australia, who in Qatar did bloody well with Duke up front doing that role, and of course Mooy lying deep pulling the strings. In a nutshell they could mix it up, and overachieved with an on paper pretty average team (compared to their EPL laden 2006 side who also made the R16, also losing to the eventual champs by a goal). They even sent big Harry Souttar forward for the last 10 mins against Argentina and gave them a proper fright.

As Carlind says give Waine a start against Tunisia, absolutely nothing to lose, and hopefully he bangs in a goal or two. But it would be surprise based off how he is going at the moment. 
Unknown editor edited March 24, 2024 04:03
martinb
So we have to accept garbage football because it’s an international? Surely lots of big lads in the local league. Such a dumb argument. #facepalm. 

We could play better and find a way to get service to our better players. 

No, you'll not thinking this through at all. It's picking players that best fit the structure, and game plan. Like you don't necessarily choose the best midfield players ranked 1-4, but those 3 or 4 that work best with each other. 

Is no point just continously playing it out from the back, to be punished with 3 goals in 6 mins by Sweden's quality press. All because if you send it foward Waine loses it every time, and so that becomes useless as an outlet. You have no Plan B and it's all too predictable for the opposition. So you become stuck in your own half and it's wave after wave of Sweden.

It's not like 2010 and continously hoofing it forward to Rory & his elbows hoping for some scraps to feed off. This AWs group has enough quality techical players to for sure play out, but you need to be able to mix it up. 

We have a talented group (by NZ standards), but they are still far far below the overall squad quality of bigger nations. And that includes Australia, who in Qatar did bloody well with Duke up front doing that role, and of course Mooy lying deep pulling the strings. In a nutshell they could mix it up, and overachieved with an on paper pretty average team (compared to their EPL laden 2006 side who also made the R16, also losing to the eventual champs by a goal). They even sent big Harry Souttar forward for the last 10 mins against Argentina and gave them a proper fright.

As Carlind says give Waine a start against Tunisia, absolutely nothing to lose, and hopefully he bangs in a goal or two. But it would be surprise based off how he is going at the moment. 
Unknown editor edited March 24, 2024 04:00
martinb
So we have to accept garbage football because it’s an international? Surely lots of big lads in the local league. Such a dumb argument. #facepalm. 

We could play better and find a way to get service to our better players. 

No, you'll not thinking this through at all. It's picking players that best fit the structure, and game plan. Like you don't necessarily choose the best midfield players ranked 1-4, but those 3 or 4 that work best with each other. 

Is no point just continously playing it out from the back, to be punished 3-0 after 25 mins by Sweden's quality press. All because if you send it foward Waine loses it every time, and so that becomes useless as an outlet. You have no Plan B and it's all too predictable for the opposition. So you become stuck in your own half and it's wave after wave of Sweden.

It's not like 2010 and continously hoofing it forward to Rory & his elbows hoping for some scraps to feed off. This AWs group has enough quality techical players to for sure play out, but you need to be able to mix it up. 

We have a talented group (by NZ standards), but they are still far far below the overall squad quality of bigger nations. And that includes Australia, who in Qatar did bloody well with Duke up front doing that role, and of course Mooy lying deep pulling the strings. In a nutshell they could mix it up, and overachieved with an on paper pretty average team (compared to their EPL laden 2006 side who also made the R16, also losing to the eventual champs by a goal). They even sent big Harry Souttar forward for the last 10 mins against Argentina and gave them a proper fright.

As Carlind says give Waine a start against Tunisia, absolutely nothing to lose, and hopefully he bangs in a goal or two. But it would be surprise based off how he is going at the moment. 
Unknown editor edited March 24, 2024 03:58
martinb
So we have to accept garbage football because it’s an international? Surely lots of big lads in the local league. Such a dumb argument. #facepalm. 

We could play better and find a way to get service to our better players. 

No, you'll not thinking this through at all. It's picking players that best fit the structure, and game plan. Like you don't necessarily choose the best midfield players ranked 1-4, but those 3 or 4 that work best with each other. 

Is no point just continously playing it out from the back, to be punished 3-0 after 25 mins by Sweden's quality press. All because if you send it foward Waine loses it every time, and so that becomes useless as an outlet. You have no Plan B. So you become stuck in your own half and it's wave after wave of Sweden.

It's not like 2010 and continously hoofing it forward to Rory & his elbows hoping for some scraps to feed off. This AWs group has enough quality techical players to for sure play out, but you need to be able to mix it up. 

We have a talented group (by NZ standards), but they are still far far below the overall squad quality of bigger nations. And that includes Australia, who in Qatar did bloody well with Duke up front doing that role, and of course Mooy lying deep pulling the strings. In a nutshell they could mix it up, and overachieved with an on paper pretty average team (compared to their EPL laden 2006 side who also made the R16, also losing to the eventual champs by a goal). They even sent big Harry Souttar forward for the last 10 mins against Argentina and gave them a proper fright.

As Carlind says give Waine a start against Tunisia, absolutely nothing to lose, and hopefully he bangs in a goal or two. But it would be surprise based off how he is going at the moment. 
Unknown editor edited March 24, 2024 03:57
martinb
So we have to accept garbage football because it’s an international? Surely lots of big lads in the local league. Such a dumb argument. #facepalm. 

We could play better and find a way to get service to our better players. 

No, you'll not thinking this through at all. It's picking players that best fit the structure, and game plan. Like you don't necessarily choose the best midfield players ranked 1-4, but those 3 or 4 that work best with each other. 

Is no point just continously playing it out from the back, to be punished 3-0 after 25 mins by Sweden's quality press. All because if you send it foward Waine loses it every time, and so that becomes useless as an outlet. You have no Plan B. So you become stuck in your own half and it's wave after wave of Sweden.

It's not like 2010 and continously hoofing it forward to Rory & his elbows hoping for some scraps to feed off. This AWs group has enough quality techical players to for sure play out, but you need to be able to mix it up. 

We have a talented group (by NZ standards), but they are still far far below the overall squad quality of bigger nations. And that includes Australia, who in Qatar did bloody well with Duke up front doing that role, and of course Mooy lying deep pulling the strings. In a nutshell they could mix it up, and overachieved with an on paper pretty average team. They even sent big Harry Souttar forward for the last 10 mins against Argentina and gave them a proper fright.

As Carlind says give Waine a start against Tunisia, absolutely nothing to lose, and hopefully he bangs in a goal or two. But it would be surprise based off how he is going at the moment. 
Unknown editor edited March 24, 2024 03:54
martinb
So we have to accept garbage football because it’s an international? Surely lots of big lads in the local league. Such a dumb argument. #facepalm. 

We could play better and find a way to get service to our better players. 

No, you'll not thinking this through at all. It's picking players that best fit the structure, and game plan. Like you don't necessarily choose the best midfield players ranked 1-4, but those 3 or 4 that work best with each other. 

Is no point just continously playing it out from the back, to be punished 3-0 after 25 mins by Sweden's quality press. All because if you send it foward Waine loses it every time, and so that becomes useless as an outlet. You have no Plan B. So you become stuck in your own half and it's wave after wave of Sweden.

It's not like 2010 and continously hoofing it forward to Rory & his elbows hoping for some scraps to feed off. This AWs group has enough quality techical players to for sure play out, but you need to be able to mix it up. 

We have a talented group (by NZ standards), but they are still far far below the overall squad quality of bigger nations. And that includes Australia, who in Qatar did bloody well with Duke up front doing that role, and of course Mooy lying deep pulling the strings. In a nutshell they could mix it up, with an on paper pretty average team.

As Carlind says give Waine a start against Tunisia, absolutely nothing to lose, and hopefully he bangs in a goal or two. But it would be surprise based off how he is going at the moment.