Posted June 24, 2023 23:29
· last edited June 24, 2023 23:38
imanixsupporter
I think it is pretty widely accepted that "black" is a synonym for "people of African descent". It is not new, here or anywhere else. It is also not new to call pakeha people in NZ white, if anything, the term pakeha has been growing in prevalence, which I think is great, but it doesn't really make sense to use it outside a nz context. Using black and white here didn't only start when trump came to power in the usa. I can't believe that these terms are being equated in this thread with maga as though they are equally trumpisms.
I think you are wilfully misinterpreting what I say when I say black. I mean "person of African descent" not "person with very dark skin colour".
I also think you're being extremely unimaginative if you can't imagine a way a black person could use the n word without trying to be racially abusive. I think it is far more likely that non-Black players have read offence where there was none intended here. And I think we all know that nothing will come of this because there is no actual case. Ryan
It's interesting, I didn't think we called people black or white in this country, everyone I know refers to people by ethnicity not skin color. Black, white, Tory, MAGA - this really doesn't feel like a NZ forum.
Personally I don't care what the skin color of the person is or what they say, just that offense was given by someone who should have known better.
We're guessing the word but no one has said it officially. Even then, I can't think of any way that word was uttered in that circumstance (just after a tackle) in a way that wasn't meant to offend and antagonise people. It was a heat of the moment thing but it is a very loaded word.
I feel like you're tieing yourself in knots trying to support an unsupportable position imanixsupporter.
Anyway, this is going nowhere I suggest we just all wait and see what FIFA say.
Most people I know tend to say people are Somalian, or Nigerian or, if they don't know, African, but why would we talk about someones ethnicity if we don't know it? Same with Polynesian people, it's usually Samoan or Tongan, etc.
On your US drivers license and in the census you write black or white, here you write New Zealand European.
I know that there was a controversy when Paul Holmes said "cheeky darkie" but people I know who are pretty racist don't use black or white, they tend to talk about the ethnicity in derogatory terms. It just strikes me as strange that this isn't language that we use.
As for your other point, sure it's used as slang but when used in that situation it is undeniably aggressive. It's like the word cod, with mates it means one thing, with adversaries it means something else. I used to live in the US and if a dude came up to me and called me that word I would take it as being very hostile.
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Unknown editoredited June 24, 2023 23:38
imanixsupporter
I think it is pretty widely accepted that "black" is a synonym for "people of African descent". It is not new, here or anywhere else. It is also not new to call pakeha people in NZ white, if anything, the term pakeha has been growing in prevalence, which I think is great, but it doesn't really make sense to use it outside a nz context. Using black and white here didn't only start when trump came to power in the usa. I can't believe that these terms are being equated in this thread with maga as though they are equally trumpisms.
I think you are wilfully misinterpreting what I say when I say black. I mean "person of African descent" not "person with very dark skin colour".
I also think you're being extremely unimaginative if you can't imagine a way a black person could use the n word without trying to be racially abusive. I think it is far more likely that non-Black players have read offence where there was none intended here. And I think we all know that nothing will come of this because there is no actual case. Ryan
It's interesting, I didn't think we called people black or white in this country, everyone I know refers to people by ethnicity not skin color. Black, white, Tory, MAGA - this really doesn't feel like a NZ forum.
Personally I don't care what the skin color of the person is or what they say, just that offense was given by someone who should have known better.
We're guessing the word but no one has said it officially. Even then, I can't think of any way that word was uttered in that circumstance (just after a tackle) in a way that wasn't meant to offend and antagonise people. It was a heat of the moment thing but it is a very loaded word.
I feel like you're tieing yourself in knots trying to support an unsupportable position imanixsupporter.
Anyway, this is going nowhere I suggest we just all wait and see what FIFA say.
Most people I know tend to say people are Somalian, or Nigerian or of African descent if they don't know, but why would we talk about someones ethnicity if we don't know it? Same with Polynesian people, it's usually Samoan or Tongan, etc.
On your US drivers license and in the census you write black or white, here you write New Zealand European.
I know that there was a controversy when Paul Holmes said "cheeky darkie" but people I know who are pretty racist don't use black or white, they tend to talk about the ethnicity in derogatory terms. It just strikes me as strange that this isn't language that we use.
As for your other point, sure it's used as slang but when used in that situation it is undeniably aggressive. It's like the word cod, with mates it means one thing, with adversaries it means something else. I used to live in the US and if a dude came up to me and called me that word I would take it as being very hostile.
Unknown editoredited June 24, 2023 23:33
imanixsupporter
I think it is pretty widely accepted that "black" is a synonym for "people of African descent". It is not new, here or anywhere else. It is also not new to call pakeha people in NZ white, if anything, the term pakeha has been growing in prevalence, which I think is great, but it doesn't really make sense to use it outside a nz context. Using black and white here didn't only start when trump came to power in the usa. I can't believe that these terms are being equated in this thread with maga as though they are equally trumpisms.
I think you are wilfully misinterpreting what I say when I say black. I mean "person of African descent" not "person with very dark skin colour".
I also think you're being extremely unimaginative if you can't imagine a way a black person could use the n word without trying to be racially abusive. I think it is far more likely that non-Black players have read offence where there was none intended here. And I think we all know that nothing will come of this because there is no actual case. Ryan
It's interesting, I didn't think we called people black or white in this country, everyone I know refers to people by ethnicity not skin color. Black, white, Tory, MAGA - this really doesn't feel like a NZ forum.
Personally I don't care what the skin color of the person is or what they say, just that offense was given by someone who should have known better.
We're guessing the word but no one has said it officially. Even then, I can't think of any way that word was uttered in that circumstance (just after a tackle) in a way that wasn't meant to offend and antagonise people. It was a heat of the moment thing but it is a very loaded word.
I feel like you're tieing yourself in knots trying to support an unsupportable position imanixsupporter.
Anyway, this is going nowhere I suggest we just all wait and see what FIFA say.
Most people I know tend to say people are Somalian, or Nigerian or of African descent if they don't know, but why would we talk about someones ethnicity if we don't know it? Same with Polynesian people, it's usually Samoan or Tongan, etc.
On your US drivers license and in the census you write black or white, here you write New Zealand European.
I know that there was a controversy when Paul Holmes said "cheeky darkie" but people I know who are pretty racist don't use black or white, they tend to talk about the ethnicity in derogatory terms. It just strikes me as strange that this isn't language that we use.
As for your other point, sure it's used as slang but when used in that situation it is undeniably aggressive. It's like the word cod, with mates it means one thing, with adversaries it means something else.
Unknown editoredited June 24, 2023 23:32
imanixsupporter
I think it is pretty widely accepted that "black" is a synonym for "people of African descent". It is not new, here or anywhere else. It is also not new to call pakeha people in NZ white, if anything, the term pakeha has been growing in prevalence, which I think is great, but it doesn't really make sense to use it outside a nz context. Using black and white here didn't only start when trump came to power in the usa. I can't believe that these terms are being equated in this thread with maga as though they are equally trumpisms.
I think you are wilfully misinterpreting what I say when I say black. I mean "person of African descent" not "person with very dark skin colour".
I also think you're being extremely unimaginative if you can't imagine a way a black person could use the n word without trying to be racially abusive. I think it is far more likely that non-Black players have read offence where there was none intended here. And I think we all know that nothing will come of this because there is no actual case. Ryan
It's interesting, I didn't think we called people black or white in this country, everyone I know refers to people by ethnicity not skin color. Black, white, Tory, MAGA - this really doesn't feel like a NZ forum.
Personally I don't care what the skin color of the person is or what they say, just that offense was given by someone who should have known better.
We're guessing the word but no one has said it officially. Even then, I can't think of any way that word was uttered in that circumstance (just after a tackle) in a way that wasn't meant to offend and antagonise people. It was a heat of the moment thing but it is a very loaded word.
I feel like you're tieing yourself in knots trying to support an unsupportable position imanixsupporter.
Anyway, this is going nowhere I suggest we just all wait and see what FIFA say.
Most people I know tend to say people are Somalian, or Nigerian or of African descent if they don't know, but why would we talk about someones ethnicity if we don't know it? Same with Polynesian people, it's usually Samoan or Tongan, etc.