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All Whites vs Mexico, Confederations Cup | Thur 22 June | 6am | Sochi | SS2

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Posted June 22, 2017 02:23 · last edited June 22, 2017 02:24

patrick478 wrote:

Ninja wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Ninja wrote:

I also don't understand the hate towards Ingham. I think Wynne looked much worse than Ingham, was constantly getting beaten on his flank. Ingham is only 18, has tremendous skill and pace. Obviously he is not up to the class of the Mexican players (no All White is), but he will be our best fullback and possibly one of our best players in the future, mark my words. I don't get how people can't see the potential this kid has. I would start Ingham and Roux for our next match.

This isn't the time for potential, this is the time for solid players. It's the biggest tournament we've played in 7 years, and you want us to use it with players that potentially might be good in future?

Jai Ingham can barely get gametime for the Victory, it's easy to see why he isn't in this squad.

True, but what attacking options do we have off the bench? Monty Patterson, that's it pretty much? Rufer doesn't get any game time for the Phoenix yet he is still picked, Patterson plays for Braintree Town in the sixth division of English football, has scored once in 12 appearances and he is one of our first attacking picks off the bench. When you don't have the attacking depth on the bench, a player like Jai Ingham could be useful. And he does get some game time in a very strong Victory line up and in a league which is far superior to the English 6th division. Btw I'm not hating on any players in the All Whites squad like Patterson. Just making the observation. 

Jai Ingham has 1 goal in 21 games last season, so on a goals per game ratio, Patterson is the better option.

Now I don't necessarily believe that statement and it's logic, but just showing that stats don't always tell the whole story... 

Jai Ingham is a winger, Monty Patterson is a striker. There are plenty of world class wingers who score very few goals so I don't think this stat is necessarily the best one to compare these players.. Also the A-League is a wayyyy higher standard than the English 6th division (which is maybe comparable to Central League here) and the Victory is a very good team (probably low Championship or Top of League One level). Based off this logic, selecting Jai Ingham is a no-brainer.

I don't know if you've ever watched 6th division football in England, while it is competitive and there are some okay players, the overall standard is pretty low...

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patrick478 wrote:
Ninja wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
Ninja wrote:

I also don't understand the hate towards Ingham. I think Wynne looked much worse than Ingham, was constantly getting beaten on his flank. Ingham is only 18, has tremendous skill and pace. Obviously he is not up to the class of the Mexican players (no All White is), but he will be our best fullback and possibly one of our best players in the future, mark my words. I don't get how people can't see the potential this kid has. I would start Ingham and Roux for our next match.

This isn't the time for potential, this is the time for solid players. It's the biggest tournament we've played in 7 years, and you want us to use it with players that potentially might be good in future?

Jai Ingham can barely get gametime for the Victory, it's easy to see why he isn't in this squad.

True, but what attacking options do we have off the bench? Monty Patterson, that's it pretty much? Rufer doesn't get any game time for the Phoenix yet he is still picked, Patterson plays for Braintree Town in the sixth division of English football, has scored once in 12 appearances and he is one of our first attacking picks off the bench. When you don't have the attacking depth on the bench, a player like Jai Ingham could be useful. And he does get some game time in a very strong Victory line up and in a league which is far superior to the English 6th division. Btw I'm not hating on any players in the All Whites squad like Patterson. Just making the observation. 

Jai Ingham has 1 goal in 21 games last season, so on a goals per game ratio, Patterson is the better option.

Now I don't necessarily believe that statement and it's logic, but just showing that stats don't always tell the whole story... 

Jai Ingham is a winger, Monty Patterson is a striker. There are plenty of world class wingers who score very few goals so I don't think this stat is necessarily the best one to compare these players.. Also the A-League is a wayyyy higher standard than the English 6th division (which is maybe comparable to Central League here) and the Victory is a very good team (probably low Championship or Top of League One level). Based off this logic, selecting Jai Ingham is a no-brainer.

I don't know if you've ever watched 6th division football in England, while it is competitive and there are so okay players, the overall standard is pretty low...