My word.
Can we please get educated on the issues before having another pop at futsal based on how you imagine things to be?
In the document, if you read it, there are TWICE as many registered futsal players as women. And 20% less than school players.
And guess what? A year round futsal player gets pinged FOUR times for affiliation fees in a year, for four "seasons".
Plus KiwiSport funding, plus one million from the legacy project from U2ö world cup. Because guess what? Nobody else at NZ Football could put together a document with a plan or application for the money. Except the futsal staff. Who by the way is one person.
So yes, futsal are working WITHIN the structure, dictated terms by NZ Football, who profit nicely from it to prop up an organistation otherwise making a loss.
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FARK. this is huge.
How do people read p6 of the doc re Proposed Structure....'Private Providers'....sit outside? or part of Other stakeholders group?
I read that as private providers sitting outside. Which is exactly what you'd expect to be fair.
I concur...to a point. Those private providers have 'members' - who pay a levy to NZF to play in their competitions, or attend coaching courses etc; should they not have a say as part of the stakeholder group? As a counter-point, are futsal clubs more or less worthy than private providers to be a part of the "other stakeholder' group?
Relax hellobeaver,
I know Dave is doing a great job with futsal. My point was not to have a pop at futsal but to highlight that there are many stakeholders in the game. SOME (not me I hasten to add), would argue that futsal and football private providers (academies, essentially) are not part of the wider stakeholder group - as has been highlighted with private providers sitting outside the tent in the proposed new structure. I was merely trying to make a point that I consider ALL of those groups to be stakeholders.
I'm fine, just asking for facts, not speculation.
To say that SOME would argue, when you are the one that said it seems odd. Appears your bicycle has been knocked into reverse gear?As I said, if the definition of Stakeholder includes being part of the strategic direction, and bringing in plenty of $$ via user pays and funding (x four seasons)...you do the maths, futsal punches well above.
I private provider is someone or organisation doing their own thing. Not necessarily inline with the direction of the governing body, and usually taking money out of the game.
Doloras - they are counted separately, as they pay separately. Or else footballers would be total footballers - players that play both, which isn't the case.
The definition of stakeholder is NOT "being part of the strategic direction and bringing in $". In that case we would have only YES men and women and sales people (which may be exactly what NZF desire). Isn't a stakeholder someone who cares and contributes in their own way?