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Posted June 20, 2018 04:31 · last edited June 20, 2018 04:34

ColeWorld wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

coochiee wrote:

If allegations by FFs and age group sides are proven to have substance then yes Heraf needs to be sent back to Austria.

I'm prepared however give Martin some leniency. Up until Spain trip, seems Ferns players were happy with Heraf - he even persuaded Erceg to come out of retirement. 

So seems at that point all was rosy. Don't think you then blame Martin, for recruiting Heraf in the first place for either DOF (he would have taken guidance also from Readings & Hudson) or FFs coaching role.

However Martin needs to act quick and dismiss Heraf if allegations are true. Then ideally appoint coaches already in NZ (or worse case Australia), for both DOF & FFs roles. 

Just feel if Martin also goes, leaves too many important roles at NZF, vacant all at the same time. Then looks a bit of a shambles and very unsettling. Esp with Schmid only in his job a few months. NZF needs a bit of stability right now.

Martin has his faults for sure - but he wasn't only one duped it seems by Heraf. However he needs to now act decisively, otherwise yes that then shows a real lack of leadership. He should also then if possible look to re recruit any good people forced out of NZF by Heraf.

Problem is this comes back to another issue under Martin while he is/was in charge. He appears to have ignored warnings after Spain and even in the last two weeks, with Erceg retiring again, long-serving team manager Claire Hamilton leaving and Stuff approaching NZ Football with on-the-record comments from a Football Fern who had concerns about the lack of professionalism on the team's tour of Spain in March, with the NZF response being to go to the PFA, to reminded the player that she could be fined for bringing the game into disrepute if she spoke out. This seems to sum up his thoughts on the warning signs "I think you guys are making a lot more of it than what it is, to be quite honest".

You also have to take in the past problems under him

- Eligibility saga

- Rivalism/Peru Supporters farce

- TV rights for National League (gave all rights away to Sky)

- Peru away tickets saga

- Alex Jones transfer

- Comet

don't want to defend him here but you can't really put TV rights in as a problem - we have football regularly on TV which we never did before he was here. The deal might not be the best, but we are very much beggars when it comes to getting football on TV. 

Everything else is valid, just don't think you can put TV rights in as a problem

Sure and I took this from the Andy Martin where I posted it that had a good and a bad side, and the TV rights are on the good side as well, in the fact that we do have the National League games on TV, but really it is an incredibly dumb mistake by NZ Football to give away all the rights to the coverage meaning none of the teams can use it on social media to promote their games. Sky has full say over it all.

Yes, but the national league hadn't been on TV (besides a couple games) since they used to do those NZFC highlights packages years ago. NZF were in absolutely no position to try and bargain with Sky - if they hadn't accepted the terms then Sky would pull the pin on any coverage. 

Consider both sides before calling it an "incredibly dumb mistake"; because an even bigger mistake would've been trying to demand greater rights, only for the coverage to be pulled completely. IMO there is no way you can say that the TV rights deal was a negative at all, when looking at the bigger picture

Except NZ football and the clubs had coverage and ability to use the rights then when negotiations came up again it appears they gave away all rights to the coverage. I don't know about you but I'm sure clubs aren't happy to be paying $30,000 each to not be able to use any of the footage. Also again in the other thread having it on TV is in the plus column under Martins time at NZ football, this part of it is just stupid though. 

In the end, it's just part of a bigger picture of failures under Martin anyway. 

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ColeWorld wrote:
Yakcall wrote:
The JourneyFan wrote:
Yakcall wrote:
coochiee wrote:

If allegations by FFs and age group sides are proven to have substance then yes Heraf needs to be sent back to Austria.

I'm prepared however give Martin some leniency. Up until Spain trip, seems Ferns players were happy with Heraf - he even persuaded Erceg to come out of retirement. 

So seems at that point all was rosy. Don't think you then blame Martin, for recruiting Heraf in the first place for either DOF (he would have taken guidance also from Readings & Hudson) or FFs coaching role.

However Martin needs to act quick and dismiss Heraf if allegations are true. Then ideally appoint coaches already in NZ (or worse case Australia), for both DOF & FFs roles. 

Just feel if Martin also goes, leaves too many important roles at NZF, vacant all at the same time. Then looks a bit of a shambles and very unsettling. Esp with Schmid only in his job a few months. NZF needs a bit of stability right now.

Martin has his faults for sure - but he wasn't only one duped it seems by Heraf. However he needs to now act decisively, otherwise yes that then shows a real lack of leadership. He should also then if possible look to re recruit any good people forced out of NZF by Heraf.

Problem is this comes back to another issue under Martin while he is/was in charge. He appears to have ignored warnings after Spain and even in the last two weeks, with Erceg retiring again, long-serving team manager Claire Hamilton leaving and Stuff approaching NZ Football with on-the-record comments from a Football Fern who had concerns about the lack of professionalism on the team's tour of Spain in March, with the NZF response being to go to the PFA, to reminded the player that she could be fined for bringing the game into disrepute if she spoke out. This seems to sum up his thoughts on the warning signs "I think you guys are making a lot more of it than what it is, to be quite honest".

You also have to take in the past problems under him

- Eligibility saga

- Rivalism/Peru Supporters farce

- TV rights for National League (gave all rights away to Sky)

- Peru away tickets saga

- Alex Jones transfer

- Comet

don't want to defend him here but you can't really put TV rights in as a problem - we have football regularly on TV which we never did before he was here. The deal might not be the best, but we are very much beggars when it comes to getting football on TV. 

Everything else is valid, just don't think you can put TV rights in as a problem

Sure and I took this from the Andy Martin where I posted it that had a good and a bad side, and the TV rights are on the good side as well, in the fact that we do have the National League games on TV, but really it is an incredibly dumb mistake by NZ Football to give away all the rights to the coverage meaning none of the teams can use it on social media to promote their games. Sky has full say over it all.

Yes, but the national league hadn't been on TV (besides a couple games) since they used to do those NZFC highlights packages years ago. NZF were in absolutely no position to try and bargain with Sky - if they hadn't accepted the terms then Sky would pull the pin on any coverage. 

Consider both sides before calling it an "incredibly dumb mistake"; because an even bigger mistake would've been trying to demand greater rights, only for the coverage to be pulled completely. IMO there is no way you can say that the TV rights deal was a negative at all, when looking at the bigger picture

Except NZ football and the clubs had coverage and ability to use the rights then when negotiations came up again it appears they sold their sold and gave away all rights to the coverage. I don't know about you but I'm sure clubs aren't happy to be paying $30,000 each to not be able to use any of the footage. Also again in the other thread having it on TV is in the plus column under Martins time at NZ football, this part of it is just stupid though. 

In the end, it's just part of a bigger picture of failures under Martin anyway.