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Posted July 13, 2015 12:38 · last edited July 13, 2015 12:38

chopah wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

chopah wrote:

Smithy wrote:

chopah wrote:

AucklandPhoenix wrote:

And out of those three, I hope that it is Fred that gets the chop

because of some man love for Mr Pickstock and Hudson I assume?

 

This is just the latest in a series of farces that FDJ has presided over. Not sure how many own goals he needs to score before he gets the shove. Such a shame because I used to enjoy watching him for the Kingz. Good feet for a big man.

I'm not on the defend FDJ boat (although Vader will say I am) - but i think any organisation which allows such continual cockups and general incompetance at most levels can't be blamed on one person.  Something there needs a shake up and i prefer not to focus on the sacking of this person or this person because if that person did leave won't the next person be allowed to make the same mistakes?

I think it's hard to not blame FDJ cause he sits top of the football pyramid. Why would Martin resign? He does not do operational matters. Pickstock and FDJ are reasonable calls to be dumped, and by reasonable, consider operationally, whom this would fall to - FDJ AND Pickstock. When you take into account the pay to play fiasco then it does look bad for his regime - I would hang the lead up to the Mexico games on him too but I think he just came on board then and BT was handling it so that is definitely harsh. You then also get the horse shark with Willie and Jose and while they were Hudsons calls, who the fudge runs the football program??? Is it him or FDJ? Does FDJ report to Hudson? If he does then what does he do? I put this in front of you cause when you look at it in totality, it really does not look that great. He should be saying to Hudson 'listen up asshole, you report to me, clear?' I get the fact that some of these things could well be others under FDJ - yet this shark still happens. He is either a poor manager of others, or he needs to fire some ass and get people in that won't fudge it up.

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I know his tie to Ellerslie and yours so it is also reasonable as an associate, to perhaps look at his performance with rosier coloured eyes than others. I would ask to you, fairly, what has he done that's been good in his time there. He may have some wins, but you would not know it. Perhaps they are out of sight of the general public? I would actually like to hear them cause I want our high performance guy to be making positive differences.

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Giving the chance for a good case to be presented for FDJ, you have to say that a decent chunk of it does not look good but I do leave my ears open to hear the other side of it.

i'm not on here to defend him - i'm here saying if you sack him and Pickstock do you honestly believe that will turn around NZF - if not then are the problems deeper than them.

Personally like i said earlier NZF have been a shambles for a while and while FDJ in a lot of peoples eyes has not covered himself in roses the NZF office was not functioning before his reign either.

The amount of turnover of office staff there is pretty massive - every couple of years there is a cleanout of people, that can't be good - so what is the problem there, culture? accountability? pure arrogance? 



So are you saying that FDJ shouldn't be sacked just because the problems might (probably do) run deeper than him? Because if he has done an awful job, and I think a lot of people on here believe he has, then he should walk no matter how deep the rot is.

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Critical_Lemon edited July 13, 2015 12:38
chopah wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
chopah wrote:
Smithy wrote:
chopah wrote:
AucklandPhoenix wrote:

And out of those three, I hope that it is Fred that gets the chop

because of some man love for Mr Pickstock and Hudson I assume?

 

This is just the latest in a series of farces that FDJ has presided over. Not sure how many own goals he needs to score before he gets the shove. Such a shame because I used to enjoy watching him for the Kingz. Good feet for a big man.

I'm not on the defend FDJ boat (although Vader will say I am) - but i think any organisation which allows such continual cockups and general incompetance at most levels can't be blamed on one person.  Something there needs a shake up and i prefer not to focus on the sacking of this person or this person because if that person did leave won't the next person be allowed to make the same mistakes?

I think it's hard to not blame FDJ cause he sits top of the football pyramid. Why would Martin resign? He does not do operational matters. Pickstock and FDJ are reasonable calls to be dumped, and by reasonable, consider operationally, whom this would fall to - FDJ AND Pickstock. When you take into account the pay to play fiasco then it does look bad for his regime - I would hang the lead up to the Mexico games on him too but I think he just came on board then and BT was handling it so that is definitely harsh. You then also get the horse shark with Willie and Jose and while they were Hudsons calls, who the fudge runs the football program??? Is it him or FDJ? Does FDJ report to Hudson? If he does then what does he do? I put this in front of you cause when you look at it in totality, it really does not look that great. He should be saying to Hudson 'listen up asshole, you report to me, clear?' I get the fact that some of these things could well be others under FDJ - yet this shark still happens. He is either a poor manager of others, or he needs to fire some ass and get people in that won't fudge it up.

.

I know his tie to Ellerslie and yours so it is also reasonable as an associate, to perhaps look at his performance with rosier coloured eyes than others. I would ask to you, fairly, what has he done that's been good in his time there. He may have some wins, but you would not know it. Perhaps they are out of sight of the general public? I would actually like to hear them cause I want our high performance guy to be making positive differences.

.

Giving the chance for a good case to be presented for FDJ, you have to say that a decent chunk of it does not look good but I do leave my ears open to hear the other side of it.

i'm not on here to defend him - i'm here saying if you sack him and Pickstock do you honestly believe that will turn around NZF - if not then are the problems deeper than them.

Personally like i said earlier NZF have been a shambles for a while and while FDJ in a lot of peoples eyes has not covered himself in roses the NZF office was not functioning before his reign either.

The amount of turnover of office staff there is pretty massive - every couple of years there is a cleanout of people, that can't be good - so what is the problem there, culture? accountability? pure arrogance? 



So are you saying that FDJ shouldn't be sacked just because the problems might (probably do) run deeper than him? Because if he has done an awful job, and I think a lot of people on here believe he has, then he should walk no matter how deep the rot it.