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Posted July 15, 2015 23:47 · last edited July 15, 2015 23:50

Wibblebutt wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Just on the Daniel thing, did he have to wait 5 years from getting citizenship or 5 years on arriving here.

I think the reason why I don't put him and Wynne in the same category is because youth players can pretty much change nationality all the time until 21 (?) providing they tick the boxes. As you get older, there are less criteria available to a player to be able to change nationality. Well that's my simplistic unscientific unfounded-in-fact take on it.

5 years from getting citizenship (you can't have a passport without citizenship, and you need one for official international matches).

Also, you can only change nationality once, at any age (provided you meet the relevant Section 6/7/8 criteria) - I'm not sure that the U21 thing applies anymore.

That's not true. You have to have lived continuously in the country for 5 years but you don't have to be a citizen for that whole 5 years. You just have to have a passport at the time of application. For example, Durante wasn't a NZ citizen for 5 years but he lived in NZ for 5 years, at which time he became eligible for a NZ passport and also became eligible for the All Whites.

You actually have to hold residence for 5 years. Dura got residence the moment he crossed the border due to his Aussie citizenship, but other nationalities could live in NZ for years without actually holding residence

You're talking about NZ requirements to gain citizenship, not FIFA requirements to be eligible to play for said country. In effect they're almost the same thing but FIFA doesn't tell nations how to run their immigration policies. In Daniel's case, his citizenship was fast-tracked as they thought he would be eligible to play for NZ but if I recall rightly the FIFA rules were changed at the same time.

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Wibblebutt edited July 15, 2015 23:50
ConanTroutman wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

Just on the Daniel thing, did he have to wait 5 years from getting citizenship or 5 years on arriving here.

I think the reason why I don't put him and Wynne in the same category is because youth players can pretty much change nationality all the time until 21 (?) providing they tick the boxes. As you get older, there are less criteria available to a player to be able to change nationality. Well that's my simplistic unscientific unfounded-in-fact take on it.

5 years from getting citizenship (you can't have a passport without citizenship, and you need one for official international matches).

Also, you can only change nationality once, at any age (provided you meet the relevant Section 6/7/8 criteria) - I'm not sure that the U21 thing applies anymore.

That's not true. You have to have lived continuously in the country for 5 years but you don't have to be a citizen for that whole 5 years. You just have to have a passport at the time of application. For example, Durante wasn't a NZ citizen for 5 years but he lived in NZ for 5 years, at which time he became eligible for a NZ passport and also became eligible for the All Whites.

You actually have to hold residence for 5 years. Dura got residence the moment he crossed the border due to his Aussie citizenship, but other nationalities could live in NZ for years without actually holding residence

You're talking about NZ requirements to gain citizenship, not FIFA requirements to be eligible to play for said country. In effect they're almost the same thing but FIFA doesn't tell nations how to run their immigration policies. In Daniel's case, his citizenship was fast-tracked as they thought he would be eligible to play for NZ but if I recall rightly the rules were changed at the same time.

Wibblebutt edited July 15, 2015 23:49
ConanTroutman wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

Just on the Daniel thing, did he have to wait 5 years from getting citizenship or 5 years on arriving here.

I think the reason why I don't put him and Wynne in the same category is because youth players can pretty much change nationality all the time until 21 (?) providing they tick the boxes. As you get older, there are less criteria available to a player to be able to change nationality. Well that's my simplistic unscientific unfounded-in-fact take on it.

5 years from getting citizenship (you can't have a passport without citizenship, and you need one for official international matches).

Also, you can only change nationality once, at any age (provided you meet the relevant Section 6/7/8 criteria) - I'm not sure that the U21 thing applies anymore.

That's not true. You have to have lived continuously in the country for 5 years but you don't have to be a citizen for that whole 5 years. You just have to have a passport at the time of application. For example, Durante wasn't a NZ citizen for 5 years but he lived in NZ for 5 years, at which time he became eligible for a NZ passport and also became eligible for the All Whites.

You actually have to hold residence for 5 years. Dura got residence the moment he crossed the border due to his Aussie citizenship, but other nationalities could live in NZ for years without actually holding residence

You're talking about NZ requirements to gain citizenship, not FIFA requirements to be eligible to play for said country. In effect they're almost the same thing but FIFA doesn't tell nations how to run their immigration policies.