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Posted July 14, 2015 05:27 · last edited July 14, 2015 05:28

patrick478 wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Section 6 - clarifies Section 5 in situations where a player has 2 or more 'permanent nationalities' (to use the term from section 5). If Deklan, for example, had a NZ parent but was born in SA, this section would apply to him. But that's not the case, so it doesn't.

Awesome work! Just have a question that I can't figure out.... Under Article 6, how would it be possible for someone to have 2 or more permanent nationalities without fulfilling a, b, c or d?? ie what is the point of putting those conditions there? Are there countries that issue passports to complete non-nationals that can't be rescinded?

It's for cases like New Caledonia. New Caledonians are issued French passports which makes them eligible for both France and New Caledonia. 

Yup, if you didn't have that rule then New Caledonia would become France B effectively - there must be a lot of French players with no international caps who would easily walk into the New Caledonian team. Same with USA/American Samoa, to pick another example from OFC

NZF are barking up the wrong tree in pursuing Article 6.

Wikipedia on FIFA player eligibility is good on Article 6  - clearly it applies only to players who have dual nationality due to birth:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_eligibility_rules#Nations_that_share_a_common_nationality

"There are 25 FIFA member associations that share a common nationality with at least one other FIFA member association.[28]

In these instances, under Article 6.1 of the Regulations Governing the Applications of Statutes, FIFA Statutes, (Nationality entitling Players to represent more than one Association), if a player was not born in the member associations' territory and does not have a parental or grand-parental blood relative that were born in the territory, the player is able to represent another member association that shares the same common nationality after two years residency."

Notes: "The exception to this are the 'Four British Associations' of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Together the four associations have decided that they do not want to offer eligibility to represent their national team after two years residency to otherwise-ineligible British players. (see Home nations 2009 agreement)"

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Big Pete 65 edited July 14, 2015 05:28
ConanTroutman wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
el grapadura wrote:

Section 6 - clarifies Section 5 in situations where a player has 2 or more 'permanent nationalities' (to use the term from section 5). If Deklan, for example, had a NZ parent but was born in SA, this section would apply to him. But that's not the case, so it doesn't.

Awesome work! Just have a question that I can't figure out.... Under Article 6, how would it be possible for someone to have 2 or more permanent nationalities without fulfilling a, b, c or d?? ie what is the point of putting those conditions there? Are there countries that issue passports to complete non-nationals that can't be rescinded?

It's for cases like New Caledonia. New Caledonians are issued French passports which makes them eligible for both France and New Caledonia. 

Yup, if you didn't have that rule then New Caledonia would become France B effectively - there must be a lot of French players with no international caps who would easily walk into the New Caledonian team. Same with USA/American Samoa, to pick another example from OFC

NZF are barking up the wrong tree in pursuing Article 6.

Wikipedia on FIFA player eligibility is good on Article 6  - clearly it applies only to players who have dual nationality due to birth:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_eligibility_rules#Nations_that_share_a_common_nationality

"There are 25 FIFA member associations that share a common nationality with at least one other FIFA member association.[28]

In these instances, under Article 6.1 of the Regulations Governing the Applications of Statutes, FIFA Statutes, (Nationality entitling Players to represent more than one Association), if a player was not born in the member associations' territory and does not have a parental or grand-parental blood relative that were born in the territory, the player is able to represent another member association that shares the same common nationality after two years residency."

Notes"The exception to this are the 'Four British Associations' of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Together the four associations have decided that they do not want to offer eligibility to represent their national team after two years residency to otherwise-ineligible British players. (see Home nations 2009 agreement)"