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Posted July 29, 2015 04:32 · last edited July 29, 2015 04:45

el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

Wibblebutt wrote:

Yeah, nah.

I was sure the home nations agreement was an alteration to Article 6, as the only evidence of it's wording I could find initially was on wiki, and some news articles about it. However this post from the Scottish FA shows it is actually an amendment to Article 5 (it says 15 in the post but has since been renumbered 5).

Still seems strange to me that they are allowed to amend Article 5 though, when situations like this are specifically covered in Article 6.2.

Hmm, yeah it does say that but it from the look of it the clauses in question don't sound like Article 5 (which sets out the general principles in 5.1 and 5.2 without references to the clauses quoted in the article) but more like Article 6.

Totally agree that's why I think it's strange. However, players have also been refused eligibility to play for the Home Nations even though they meet Article 7. Take Angel Rangel (What a great name btw). He qualifies for Wales under Article 7 because he has to aquire a new nationality but Wales deemed him ineligible because he hadn't had the 5 years education under the age of 18. 

Yeah, that's very interesting.

I'd also add that this Home Nations Agreement seems to be cloaked in secrecy. I tried emailing FIFA for a copy of it and they told me to contact the home nations directly as they don't have it! ??!? So I emailed each of the home nations and only one replied (England) but they have yet to disclose the exact wording that was ratified by FIFA in 2009, and so I've still been unable to expressly ascertain which Statute it amends.

Yep, it's not a document that's easy to locate, I tried to find it when we had the Raheem Sterling discussion initially and drew a blank.

It also seems to allow the Home Nations to do exactly what the amendment to Article 6 was designed to stop happening. ie a home nation could get a whole bunch of 12-13 year old foreign nationals into their system and send them to school, thus qualifying them to play for said nation. It also blocks anyone changing nationality to a Home Nation from ever playing for them if they move there when they're 14 or over no matter how long they stay in the country for.

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Wibblebutt edited July 29, 2015 04:45
el grapadura wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:

Yeah, nah.

I was sure the home nations agreement was an alteration to Article 6, as the only evidence of it's wording I could find initially was on wiki, and some news articles about it. However this post from the Scottish FA shows it is actually an amendment to Article 5 (it says 15 in the post but has since been renumbered 5).

Still seems strange to me that they are allowed to amend Article 5 though, when situations like this are specifically covered in Article 6.2.

Hmm, yeah it does say that but it from the look of it the clauses in question don't sound like Article 5 (which sets out the general principles in 5.1 and 5.2 without references to the clauses quoted in the article) but more like Article 6.

Totally agree that's why I think it's strange. However, players have also been refused eligibility to play for the Home Nations even though they meet Article 7. Take Angel Rangel (What a great name btw). He qualifies for Wales under Article 7 because he has to aquire a new nationality but Wales deemed him ineligible because he hadn't had the 5 years education under the age of 18. 

Yeah, that's very interesting.

I'd also add that this Home Nations Agreement seems to be cloaked in secrecy. I tried emailing FIFA for a copy of it and they told me to contact the home nations directly as they don't have it! ??!? So I emailed each of the home nations and only one replied (England) but they have yet to disclose the exact wording that was ratified by FIFA in 2009, and so I've still been unable to expressly ascertain which Statute it amends.

Yep, it's not a document that's easy to locate, I tried to find it when we had the Raheem Sterling discussion initially and drew a blank.

It also seems to allow the Home Nations to do exactly what the amendment to Article 6 was designed to stop happening. ie a home nation could get a whole bunch of 12-13 year old foreign nationals into their system and send them to school, thus qualifying them to play for said nation. It also blocks anyone changing nationality to a Home Nation from ever playing for them if they're 14 or over no matter how long they stay in the country for.

Wibblebutt edited July 29, 2015 04:33
el grapadura wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Wibblebutt wrote:

Yeah, nah.

I was sure the home nations agreement was an alteration to Article 6, as the only evidence of it's wording I could find initially was on wiki, and some news articles about it. However this post from the Scottish FA shows it is actually an amendment to Article 5 (it says 15 in the post but has since been renumbered 5).

Still seems strange to me that they are allowed to amend Article 5 though, when situations like this are specifically covered in Article 6.2.

Hmm, yeah it does say that but it from the look of it the clauses in question don't sound like Article 5 (which sets out the general principles in 5.1 and 5.2 without references to the clauses quoted in the article) but more like Article 6.

Totally agree that's why I think it's strange. However, players have also been refused eligibility to play for the Home Nations even though they meet Article 7. Take Angel Rangel (What a great name btw). He qualifies for Wales under Article 7 because he has to aquire a new nationality but Wales deemed him ineligible because he hadn't had the 5 years education under the age of 18. 

Yeah, that's very interesting.

I'd also add that this Home Nations Agreement seems to be cloaked in secrecy. I tried emailing FIFA for a copy of it and they told me to contact the home nations directly as they don't have it! ??!? So I emailed each of the home nations and only one replied (England) but they have yet to disclose the exact wording that was ratified by FIFA in 2009, and so I've still been unable to expressly ascertain which Statute it amends.

Yep, it's not a document that's easy to locate, I tried to find it when we had the Raheem Sterling discussion initially and drew a blank.

It also seems to allow the Home Nations to do exactly what the amendment to Article 6 was designed to stop happening. ie a home nation could get a whole bunch of 12-13 year olds into their system and send them to school, thus qualifying them to play for said nation. It also blocks anyone changing nationality to a Home Nation from ever playing for them if they're 14 or over no matter how long they stay in the country for.