our brand of football is just so ugly
Surely our 'brand' is still in product development? Poor from us, but really a training hit out. Need to bring in our top team to get them time together and sort out our defence.
OFC Nations Cup 2016 - vs Vanuatu | Tues 31 May | 6pm | SS Popup
Marinovic has been fairly decent too
Not so sure about that. The shots he's saved have been stright at him and he allowed a goal in on his near post (offside of course). I'd like to see Crocombe in goal for the next game.
I can't wait for our strongest team to play, but i imagine squaddies will get a run for the next game with semi guaranteed.
Ideally I would like to see:
Marinovic
Boxall, Themi, Adams, Doyle
Mc G - Tuiloma
Kosta Fallon Wood Patterson
Marinovic has been fairly decent too
Not so sure about that. The shots he's saved have been stright at him and he allowed a goal in on his near post (offside of course). I'd like to see Crocombe in goal for the next game.
So good positioning? I don't think he's lost his number one status surely. He's done well with everything thrown his way so far.
Vanuwatu NZ
Posession 60 - 40
Shots 16 - 10
NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
bare in mind we were ahead 4-0 and 5-0 for more than half the match, so (something called score effects) naturally going to have less ball and less shots.
Themi could be seen having a go at Adams post match.... positioning?
I can't wait for our strongest team to play, but i imagine squaddies will get a run for the next game with semi guaranteed.
Ideally I would like to see:
Marinovic
Boxall, Themi, Adams, Doyle
Mc G - Tuiloma
Kosta Fallon Wood Patterson
Boxall at CB?
Hope Wood is OK. That team seems OK. Who is challenging those guys? Brockie must be there or there abouts. Great season. Otherwise mostly the guys who haven't played seem to have put their hand up more by not doing terribly!
What's Patterson's defence like?
Themi could be seen having a go at Adams post match.... positioning?
Being shark?
I can't wait for our strongest team to play, but i imagine squaddies will get a run for the next game with semi guaranteed.
Ideally I would like to see:
Marinovic
Boxall, Themi, Adams, Doyle
Mc G - Tuiloma
Kosta Fallon Wood Patterson
Brockie in for Fallon? Rojas?
Marinovic has been fairly decent too
Not so sure about that. The shots he's saved have been stright at him and he allowed a goal in on his near post (offside of course). I'd like to see Crocombe in goal for the next game.
Jesus Christ mate, that's the second time you mentioned that they scored a goal past him when it wasn't a goal. It wasn't a goal, got it? Are you going to have a go at a striker who gets blown for offside who switches of and then doesn't put it in the net? Move on.
Marinovic has been fairly decent too
Not so sure about that. The shots he's saved have been stright at him and he allowed a goal in on his near post (offside of course). I'd like to see Crocombe in goal for the next game.
Jesus Christ mate, that's the second time you mentioned that they scored a goal past him when it wasn't a goal. It wasn't a goal, got it? Are you going to have a go at a striker who gets blown for offside who switches of and then doesn't put it in the net? Move on.
Fallon chipped the keeper quite nicely before being called for off-side- does he get that one?
Trivia question. Which tournament is it where one side is winning all their matches by multiple goals, and the consensus of their fans is that the team is dogshark and the coach and 2/3 of the players should be sacked?
Trivia question. Which tournament is it where one side is winning all their matches by multiple goals, and the consensus of their fans is that the team is dogshark and the coach and 2/3 of the players should be sacked?
I can't wait for our strongest team to play, but i imagine squaddies will get a run for the next game with semi guaranteed.
Ideally I would like to see:
Marinovic
Boxall, Themi, Adams, Doyle
Mc G - Tuiloma
Kosta Fallon Wood Patterson
Brockie in for Fallon? Rojas?
Agreed Brockie in for Fallon and Rojas for Patterson. That would be a good line up.
Also I haven't read any of the other comments, just finished watching a recording but that was sharkhouse despite the score.
Jesus Christ mate, that's the second time you mentioned that they scored a goal past him when it wasn't a goal. It wasn't a goal, got it? Are you going to have a go at a striker who gets blown for offside who switches of and then doesn't put it in the net? Move on.
Calm Down, No need to be throwing JC around here.
Mate, I'm emphasising that he should have his near post better covered, had the striker not been called offside we would have conceded.
The whistle only just went and it was patiently clear he had not switched off. I'm pointing out that the only time he was properly tested by their strikers, he failed to cover properly whereas while they were the better team in the second half, their final balls were never going to worry you in goal, let alone a decent GK.
Calm down. If Hudson is throwing caps around, lets see our other pro keepers who are playing at the same level get a run next game as we are through to the semis now anyway.
And in other news. How good would vanuatu be as a training team for the all whites. They attack well. Dominate possession. Apart from their finishing they would be a great team to invite over for a friendly. All whites could practice turning small amount of possession into chances just like they would have to against a south American side. If vanuatu finish fourth they will be in need of games in the next two years.
Trivia question. Which tournament is it where one side is winning all their matches by multiple goals, and the consensus of their fans is that the team is dogshark and the coach and 2/3 of the players should be sacked?
England at the Euro Qualifiers?
Jesus Christ mate, that's the second time you mentioned that they scored a goal past him when it wasn't a goal. It wasn't a goal, got it? Are you going to have a go at a striker who gets blown for offside who switches of and then doesn't put it in the net? Move on.
Calm Down, No need to be throwing JC around here.
Mate, I'm emphasising that he should have his near post better covered, had the striker not been called offside we would have conceded.
The whistle only just went and it was patiently clear he had not switched off. I'm pointing out that the only time he was properly tested by their strikers, he failed to cover properly whereas while they were the better team in the second half, their final balls were never going to worry you in goal, let alone a decent GK.
Calm down. If Hudson is throwing caps around, lets see our other pro keepers who are playing at the same level get a run next game as we are through to the semis now anyway.
No I'm not going to calm down after hearing that crock of shark three times now. Jesus Christ will be used again and again until get you get it into your thick head that it wasn't a bloody goal.
Anyone know how my "friend" could manipulate his iPad at work so that OFC think hes in another country???
Hola app
I'd avoid Hola if I was you
Big credit to Hudson, the staff and players who have done the business so far. Two games, two wins and two clean sheets.
There is no right way to play football, but I have to be completely honest when I say I switched off the game at halftime not because it was already game over, but there was no evidence of anything inspiring exciting out on the pitch.
From the sounds of the second half report Vanuatu were unfortunate to not bag a couple goals, and already showed some glimpses of a "brand" of football they're trying to playing which deserves a lot of credit.
This All Whites team could of won 5-0 (and more) with the ball on the ground, controlling the game with possession, moving Vanuatu around the pitch with 5-6 passes (which on rare glimpses happened and opened them up easily), create more clear cut opportunities and just as importantly conserve energy with the ball in possession.
I am sorry but I firmly believe that while this crash bang approach may work against Fiji, Vanuatu and at OFC Nations Cup, it is awful to watch, doesn't inspire me and isn't sustainable at the next level.
Unfortunately sounds like Wood has dislocated his shoulder. That's a few months out. Big loss.
http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/first-half-blitz-blows-vanuatu-away/
Jesus Christ mate, that's the second time you mentioned that they scored a goal past him when it wasn't a goal. It wasn't a goal, got it? Are you going to have a go at a striker who gets blown for offside who switches of and then doesn't put it in the net? Move on.
Calm Down, No need to be throwing JC around here.
Mate, I'm emphasising that he should have his near post better covered, had the striker not been called offside we would have conceded.
The whistle only just went and it was patiently clear he had not switched off. I'm pointing out that the only time he was properly tested by their strikers, he failed to cover properly whereas while they were the better team in the second half, their final balls were never going to worry you in goal, let alone a decent GK.
Calm down. If Hudson is throwing caps around, lets see our other pro keepers who are playing at the same level get a run next game as we are through to the semis now anyway.
No I'm not going to calm down after hearing that crock of shark three times now. Jesus Christ will be used again and again until get you get it into your thick head that it wasn't a bloody goal.
Auckland. I agree with you, but stop insulting other forumites. Consider this a warning.
Sorry to hear about Wood's shoulder if it is dislocated. Nothing malicious in the foul in my opinion, just what the Kiwi defenders were doing at the other end. Chris just fell awkwardly.
Meanwhile The Solomons have about 70% of the ball vs Fiji, a million chances....and lose 0-1 to a mad goalkeeping error which gives away a penalty in the last 5 mins.
some observations : Vanuatu are a defensive shambles. We are five up but I'm not impressed. Brotherton,colvey, Fenton, prevlevic are all poor and not up to it at this level
Spot on.
Trivia question. Which tournament is it where one side is winning all their matches by multiple goals, and the consensus of their fans is that the team is dogshark and the coach and 2/3 of the players should be sacked?
...That's because we have high standards!....
Jesus Christ mate, that's the second time you mentioned that they scored a goal past him when it wasn't a goal. It wasn't a goal, got it? Are you going to have a go at a striker who gets blown for offside who switches of and then doesn't put it in the net? Move on.
Calm Down, No need to be throwing JC around here.
Mate, I'm emphasising that he should have his near post better covered, had the striker not been called offside we would have conceded.
The whistle only just went and it was patiently clear he had not switched off. I'm pointing out that the only time he was properly tested by their strikers, he failed to cover properly whereas while they were the better team in the second half, their final balls were never going to worry you in goal, let alone a decent GK.
Calm down. If Hudson is throwing caps around, lets see our other pro keepers who are playing at the same level get a run next game as we are through to the semis now anyway.
No I'm not going to calm down after hearing that crock of shark three times now. Jesus Christ will be used again and again until get you get it into your thick head that it wasn't a bloody goal.
you run the 'i love marinovic' fan club or sommin?
Calm Down, No need to be throwing JC around here.
Quite possibly the lamest thing i have ever read on here.
Trivia question. Which tournament is it where one side is winning all their matches by multiple goals, and the consensus of their fans is that the team is dogshark and the coach and 2/3 of the players should be sacked?
We are playing pub teams tbf.
Intersting match.
Reinforced the following for me;
1) Fenton is not a right wing back's muddy boot. He's a player full of heart and a good engine but crossing is very poor and doesn't overlap or beat players like the top HAL wing backs do. Gave away a deadset penalty.
2) Prelevic. The Aussie Prem leagues obviously are a similar tempo to the ASB. Got caught in possession too many times. Just too slow. Reminds me of the Kingz defenders of the early 2000's - are you Ricki Van Steeden in disguise? Was very surprised Hudson have him another full game. WeeMav needs to drop back into central midfield.
3) Kosta. Class. Just does things at pace. Whether it be passing, dribbling etc. Watching him alongside Rojas and co highlighted to me what a good signing he'll be for the Nix.
4) Back 3 or 5. Lack of wheels. A real lack of wheels. Boxall to step into CB to address this. Doyle to play left wing back as offers more going forward. Missing Roux big time.
5) Rory a very smart player but lost all his gas (not that he had too much to begin with). Will need to retain him for set pieces but won't offer much in transition other than a chest down to oncoming winger.
6) WeeMac shaping up as our key player this tournie. Great free kick. Needs to get the ball to feet and construct the play.
Is there a highlights package going around anywhere?
Is there a highlights package going around anywhere?
Will be one of the OFC YouTube account later today. https://www.youtube.com/user/OFCfootball
Bugger. Wood out is pretty big; he's our main goal threat.
How on Earth OFC puts videos like this online? What the hell is this?
They've taken a low-framerate stream and put "blur" on it to cover up the flickering. I think if you try to watch it twice a little Japanese girl rings you up and says "seven days".
Great movie reference there!
Big credit to Hudson, the staff and players who have done the business so far. Two games, two wins and two clean sheets.
There is no right way to play football, but I have to be completely honest when I say I switched off the game at halftime not because it was already game over, but there was no evidence of anything inspiring exciting out on the pitch.
From the sounds of the second half report Vanuatu were unfortunate to not bag a couple goals, and already showed some glimpses of a "brand" of football they're trying to playing which deserves a lot of credit.
This All Whites team could of won 5-0 (and more) with the ball on the ground, controlling the game with possession, moving Vanuatu around the pitch with 5-6 passes (which on rare glimpses happened and opened them up easily), create more clear cut opportunities and just as importantly conserve energy with the ball in possession.
I am sorry but I firmly believe that while this crash bang approach may work against Fiji, Vanuatu and at OFC Nations Cup, it is awful to watch, doesn't inspire me and isn't sustainable at the next level.
I agree with this - I'm no fan of Anfony, but two wins out of two (both comfortable by the sounds off it - I don't have Sky) and qualification for both the 3rd round of WCQ and the semis of the ONC in the bag. Jobs a good'un.
Just a question about the "crash bang approach" - is playing that way really so bad? I'd prefer the AWs coach to say "we're going to lump it up and get stuck in" rather than "we're going to play out from the back and knock triangles about" as we are never going to play attractive football. It's not in our DNA to play tiki-taka, so why be ashamed of playing hoofball? NZ is, by nature/design, a fairly aggressive country - our main two male sports are rugby and league, and that physicality spreads into other sports. Even netball is all elbows and collisions. So why not the AWs?
For as long as I have a clear memory (going back to the mid-80s) our version of playing out from the back is just to knock it around the central defenders, then whack it up for some big cod to get hold off, with any scraps picked up by our midfielders. (the only real clear match I have of this not being the case was vs Italy in the WC, though no doubt someone will correct me......) So as long as we have a coach who is honest about it, and we learn to use that game play as a strength, is it such a big deal?
I mean, all we do now is play that way but we try and fool people by saying that we are trying to play the proper way
(don't get me wrong, I'd love to see us play "ole!" football......I just don't believe we will ever change our basic predisposition to kick the fudge out of it)
I'm not entirely anti the concept but this isn't the vision we were sold by Hudson when he signed...
Thought this was interesting from Piney on twitter, we haven't really seen a change under Hudson.
First 8 games as All Whites coach...
Herbert: W3 D1 L4 GF 8 GA 11
Hudson: W3 D2 L3 GF 12 GA 9
Opposition was
Herbert: Australia, Malaysia x2, Chile x2, Hungary, Georgia, Estonia
Hudson: Uzbekistan, China, Thailand, South Korea, Myanmar, Oman, Fiji, Vanuatu
I'm not entirely anti the concept but this isn't the vision we were sold by Hudson when he signed...
This, and also there are plenty of New Zealand coaches who could do the job if that is the approach we want to take.