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The Road To Brazil 2014 via Wellington feat. Mexico

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FFA were happy to accept the ticket. Of course they wanted to go. But only the OFC can provide that support in Zurich. If the OFC had said 'no, you're staying put', then that would have been the end of the matter. Which is much the same as the debate about whether New Zealand stays in the OFC or tries to go to the AFC. It requires the support of the OFC before it can happen. Anybody who suggests otherwise doesn't really have a grasp on how the system works.

Of course, Australia could have advocated for change in leadership of the OFC, but that takes time and is just the nature of democracy. Remember, they would have needed to put forward a 'vote of no confidence' to produce an election outside the four year term of an OFC President, or wait until 2007 to put up their own candidate, or a candidate with their interests at heart.

The nations below New Zealand have enjoyed an opportunity to grow and develop in a way they haven't previously. New Zealand did get "smacked around" a fair bit in the past and so did Tahiti at the FIFA U-20 World Cup in Egypt in 2009. However, they are entitled to the opportunity to grow and they qualified for that tournament on merit. That's the entire point; one day they may enjoy their own "2010".

If New Zealand were told to take their ball and never come back way back in 1997 after losing 13-0 to Spain, we may have never enjoyed the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa.

Solomon Islands have harnessed their achievements in both Beach Soccer and Futsal to develop and grow the game. They too deserve the opportunity afforded them.

A confederation will always hold sway with the FIFA Executive over and above a Member Association and/or a club. In the hierarchical chain of command it reads FIFA, Confederations, Member Associations, with clubs and regional federations beneath that and so on.

The FFA, NZF, OFC and the Wellington Phoenix all worked together to ensure the club met all the requirements necessary to participate in the Hyundai A-League. The AFC were less helpful, perhaps, but that situation has been worked through and continues to be worked through by all stakeholders.

It irks some fans when they have to accept the confederations are the true vehicles of power in their region. I get that. But that's how the political system works. If you think otherwise, quite simply put, you're wrong.

I've been around the confederations and member associations long enough to have witnessed this in theory and practice to be able to confirm it for you.

Gordon Glen Watson

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Can I just say I am loving having you active on here Gordy.  You offer insights that most of us never have and a great read.
 
We'll get some debates from things at times but informed debate instead of 'you are all just Australians' and 'Rojas is da bom, why did we let him go'

How's my driving? - Whine here

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I was very active with the yahoogroups 'Goalnet' mailing list in the 1990s/2000s and I suppose this forum is an extension of those early days.

My role these days as a freelancer who from time to time works with FIFA, the confederations, member associations, clubs and so on, allows certain freedoms where I can comment, but at different times I have to exercise some degree of caution with respect to who I am working for/with.

For the record, I would classify myself as a Wellington Phoenix fan but definitely have teams in the ASB Premiership that I follow for different reasons (Waikato FC and YoungHeart Manawatu, two regions I played and coached football in at various times).

I prefer to be as transparent as possible, hence my contact details being listed. I'm happy to discuss any subject area in football at anytime with anyone. I'm happy to stand by my views.

Gordon Glen Watson
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10728577

decision has been delayed till July
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Not surprised at all.
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

twoo weeks in Fiji. Boom!  White noise on tour.

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Wicked I'd be in for that.
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Does anyone know when this month this dreaded draw is and if it is going to be televised live? I really want to see for myself that no dodgy stuff lumps us with south America. Maybe with the Asian and central American reps gone we have a better chance

Auckland will rise once more

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
"now we pair the hot ball with the cold ball..."

Normo's coming home

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
29th according to Wikipedia. Probably too far in front for sky to have it in the EPG.
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I was thinking about this more last night. We are probably the only confederation involved that wont have it on the tele. Although to be fair to Sky, they've been very impressive with their football coverage lately so hopefully they will come to the party. I also doubt we'll get a live feed from fifa.com, it used to be only Europe that could get it I think. timmymadden2011-07-10 12:50:38
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Does anyone know when this month this dreaded draw is and if it is going to be televised live? I really want to see for myself that no dodgy stuff lumps us with south America. Maybe with the Asian and central American reps gone we have a better chance


I laugh but not worry. I look at history of Oceania, I travel and spend much time in Antipodes in current phase of life. I read, I research, I see that, your neighbours, Australia, play Argentina and Uruguay 2 times over in living memory. This for shot at World Cup special time.

I see, I see Australia defeat Uruguay at last attempt, in 2005. I see this, and ask, if neuva Zelanda want to play best of world, it should hold no fear with Sud America nation. You must fight, and fight with pride. FIFA place Oceania with Sud America, you must fight with pride and skill on field.
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This is all happens on Sunday morning from 6am NZT.

The playoff draw is the first thing on the agenda, so should be around 6.15am.
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Based purely on the latest FIFA rankings (which may bear very little resemblance to who will eventually end up in these playoffs but gives you an idea), this is who New Zealand might face...
 
Sixth-placed South American side: Paraguay (World ranking 26)
Fourth-placed CONCACAF side: Honduras (World ranking 51)
Fifth-placed Asian side: China (World ranking 73)
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Based purely on the latest FIFA rankings (which�may bear very little resemblance to who will eventually end up in these playoffs but gives you an idea), this is who New Zealand might face...
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Sixth-placed South American side: Paraguay (World ranking 26)

Fourth-placed CONCACAF side: Honduras (World ranking 51)

Fifth-placed Asian side: China (World ranking 73)


We're f**ked!
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
if we can avoid the South Americans we are still in with a reasonable chance
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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Is this live?

Auckland will rise once more

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
draw soon
http://cjsporrts.blogspot.com/index.html

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

http://www.facebook.com/WellingtonPhoenixClubMembersSupportersGroupOsaka

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Asia v South America and Oceania v Concacaf

not bad i say

could of been worse

so maybe Honduras?
detoxin2011-07-31 06:25:42

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

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No, we are against South America.
Asia is vs North America...
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Stormpark94 wrote:
No, we are against South America.
Asia is vs North America...


Really soccernet is telling me otherwise?

as does fifa.comdetoxin2011-07-31 06:28:41

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

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detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
No, we are against South America.
Asia is vs North America...


Really soccernet is telling me otherwise?


I'm watching the draw live, here in Italy.
OFC is against CONMEBOL.
sh*t.

Stormpark942011-07-31 06:30:27
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Stormpark94 wrote:
detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
No, we are against South America.
Asia is vs North America...


Really soccernet is telling me otherwise?


I'm watching the draw live, here in Italy.
OFC is against CONMEBOL.
sh*t.



so Fifa is wrong?

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

http://www.facebook.com/WellingtonPhoenixClubMembersSupportersGroupOsaka

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detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
No, we are against South America.
Asia is vs North America...


Really soccernet is telling me otherwise?


I'm watching the draw live, here in Italy.
OFC is against CONMEBOL.
sh*t.



so Fifa is wrong?


Can you link me where FIFA says we're vs concacaf? 'Cause i'm not finding the link.
I'm not stupid I'm sure 100% I've seen Oceania vs South America here on Sky Sport 1.
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Stormpark94 wrote:
detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
No, we are against South America.
Asia is vs North America...


Really soccernet is telling me otherwise?


I'm watching the draw live, here in Italy.
OFC is against CONMEBOL.
sh*t.



so Fifa is wrong?


Can you link me where FIFA says we're vs concacaf? 'Cause i'm not finding the link.
I'm not stupid I'm sure 100% I've seen Oceania vs South America here on Sky Sport 1.



its here
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminarydraw/draw.html
have to read down the time messages at 1523

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

http://www.facebook.com/WellingtonPhoenixClubMembersSupportersGroupOsaka

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detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
No, we are against South America.
Asia is vs North America...


Really soccernet is telling me otherwise?


I'm watching the draw live, here in Italy.
OFC is against CONMEBOL.
sh*t.



so Fifa is wrong?


Can you link me where FIFA says we're vs concacaf? 'Cause i'm not finding the link.
I'm not stupid I'm sure 100% I've seen Oceania vs South America here on Sky Sport 1.



its here
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminarydraw/draw.html
have to read down the time messages at 1523


Thank you, I hope it's right.
But tv commentators told us what I've said before.
Teams have been drawn in this order:
Asia
North America
South America
Oceania

So they said it was Asia - North America and South America - Oceania.

Really hope they got mistaken.Stormpark942011-07-31 06:41:14
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Stormpark94 wrote:
detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
detoxin wrote:
Stormpark94 wrote:
No, we are against South America.
Asia is vs North America...


Really soccernet is telling me otherwise?


I'm watching the draw live, here in Italy.
OFC is against CONMEBOL.
sh*t.



so Fifa is wrong?


Can you link me where FIFA says we're vs concacaf? 'Cause i'm not finding the link.
I'm not stupid I'm sure 100% I've seen Oceania vs South America here on Sky Sport 1.



its here
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminarydraw/draw.html
have to read down the time messages at 1523


Thank you, I hope it's right.
But tv commentators told us what I've said before.
Teams have been drawn in this order:
Asia
North America
South America
Ocenia

So they said it was Asia - North America and South America - Oceania.

Really hope they got mistaken.


yea i heard someone else on soccernet say what you said. but soccernet and fifa say Oceania vs Concaf

Lets hope so

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

http://www.facebook.com/WellingtonPhoenixClubMembersSupportersGroupOsaka

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It's definitely Oceania v CONCACAF and South America v Asia
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It's definitely Oceania v CONCACAF and South America v Asia

so we are probably likely to play Jamaica, Hondorus or Kosta Rica
that is if we win oceania

Calling all fans in Japan, come down and support the mighty nix in Osaka

http://www.facebook.com/WellingtonPhoenixClubMembersSupportersGroupOsaka

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detoxin wrote:
It's definitely Oceania v CONCACAF and South America v Asia

so we are probably likely to play Jamaica, Hondorus or Kosta Rica
that is if we win oceania
 
Precisely.
 
Best possible draw for me.  South America avoided, and AW's should be optimistic home and away against these nations.
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Are you sure liverpoolfan1?
Because commentators have repeated after the Asian draw that afc fifth team would have gone against concacaf forth, repeat hope they're wrong again.
Stormpark942011-07-31 06:59:33
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Stormpark94 wrote:
Are you sure liverpoolfan1?
Because commentators have repeated after the Asian draw that afc fifth team would have gone against concacaf forth, repeat hope they're wrong again.

someone is making a mistake....

hope it the commentatorsdetoxin2011-07-31 07:04:47

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Go to FIFA.com ... I would imagine they've got it right.
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Go here and read the comment in the Live Commentary section at 15:23
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Yes but watching it live I've seen we against south america, and commentators repeated it two times.
If you're right the first team drawn is vs the third drawn (because we have been drawn as fourth and south america as third), there are no other explanations.
Personally I think FIFA website is wrong, but we'll wait and see.
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