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Posted September 10, 2013 04:05 · last edited September 10, 2013 04:07

TV wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
threatD wrote:
MetalLegNZ wrote:

Drop Lochy and Bertos and keep Durante as CB cover.

Bring in Tuioloma and Roux.

Drop Butler for Fitzgerald, Clapham for Henderson and Bright for Keat.

Maybe Siggy for Payne - invest in future and siggy shouldn't get near a starting spot so his position should be in trouble.

lol, no.

Tuiloma has not even played a national league game and we are talking about chucking him into a WC qualifier? I know he is at a decent club but he was playing reserves or youth and he was not exactly bouncing out as the best player in Northern League. He may well be good enough, but there is not enough evidence to say 'lets pick him' Maybe after November or WC2014 when a few will retire and we need to blood a few players. Roux has a bit more evidence in his favour but he was not the consistent stand out start for the u20s (had 1 good game I think)

Henderson has not seen a squad in a couple of years and Bright and Keat do not even remotely play anywhere near the same positions. Also why would you pick Payne, who is a midfielder, for Siggy who is a CB?

 

If you are talking squad places, well ok fair enough. If you are talking starters, I agree with ThreatD - no.


And did Howieson play NL? He essentially has been playing Burnley U18/Reserves while Tuiloma has been apart of Birkenhead yes but also LA Galaxy reserves prior to that. We've seen these U20 guys can compete.

Are you telling me Fenton, Roux etc are streets ahead of Tuiloma?

To be honest, I don't know. I actually don't know where they rank in the scheme of things. I know Fenton as a right winger from what I have seen at TW and Phoenix so hard to compare to a kid that's played left half for Birkenhead. He was one of the better players in the Birkenhead team but you would not have had him as one of the best 6 in the Northern league (Butler, Krishna, Pearce, Hicks, Ivan, JHM just to come up with some quick names) I've never seen Roux play but the bits I saw of the U20s did not impress me (I may have picked the wrong day I think cause I missed one game, was told he played well in one game and the one I watched bits of he was ordinary) . I know he is in the A League but I have never seen him play so again, I have nothing to go on.

Howieson is a bit different. This is not a opinion I have made based on age. Its more on ability and Howieson was given a test at the right time when there was nothing riding on it and he came through that test as well. Logically, you would expect that Lochhead and Bertos should win every time but they are obviously pants at the moment. We've established that up until Thursday, Lochhead was a better LB than Hogg and Rowe (both known quantities) but as of today...

Tuiloma has the talent. He has a natural touch. I have zero clue as to whether him and Roux are up for it. Like I say, I can only base it on instinct and that's telling me not just yet but again, you are never going to know until you find out. Is now the time to find out with one October window to get cohesion from our best 11 before our 2 of our biggest games in 4 years? If you were going to do it, you would have done it in the window just closed, not the next one where that needs to be our best 11 in our formation. For me, its too big a risk, not when US$10m is up for grabs.

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Jeff Vader edited September 10, 2013 04:07
TV wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
threatD wrote:
MetalLegNZ wrote:

Drop Lochy and Bertos and keep Durante as CB cover.

Bring in Tuioloma and Roux.

Drop Butler for Fitzgerald, Clapham for Henderson and Bright for Keat.

Maybe Siggy for Payne - invest in future and siggy shouldn't get near a starting spot so his position should be in trouble.

lol, no.

Tuiloma has not even played a national league game and we are talking about chucking him into a WC qualifier? I know he is at a decent club but he was playing reserves or youth and he was not exactly bouncing out as the best player in Northern League. He may well be good enough, but there is not enough evidence to say 'lets pick him' Maybe after November or WC2014 when a few will retire and we need to blood a few players. Roux has a bit more evidence in his favour but he was not the consistent stand out start for the u20s (had 1 good game I think)

Henderson has not seen a squad in a couple of years and Bright and Keat do not even remotely play anywhere near the same positions. Also why would you pick Payne, who is a midfielder, for Siggy who is a CB?

If you are talking squad places, well ok fair enough. If you are talking starters, I agree with ThreatD - no.


And did Howieson play NL? He essentially has been playing Burnley U18/Reserves while Tuiloma has been apart of Birkenhead yes but also LA Galaxy reserves prior to that. We've seen these U20 guys can compete.

Are you telling me Fenton, Roux etc are streets ahead of Tuiloma?

To be honest, I don't know. I actually don't know where they rank in the scheme of things. I know Fenton as a right winger from what I have seen at TW and Phoenix so hard to compare to a kid that's played left half for Birkenhead. He was one of the better players in the Birkenhead team but you would not have had him as one of the best 6 in the Northern league (Butler, Krishna, Pearce, Hicks, Ivan, JHM just to come up with some quick names) I've never seen Roux play but the bits I saw of the U20s did not impress me (I may have picked the wrong day I think cause I missed one game, was told he played well in one game and the one I watched bits of he was ordinary) . I know he is in the A League but I have never seen him play so again, I have nothing to go on.

Howieson is a bit different. This is not a opinion I have made based on age. Its more on ability and Howieson was given a test at the right time. He came through that test as well. Logically, you would expect that Lochhead and Bertos should win every time but they are obviously pants at the moment. We've established that up until Thursday, Lochhead was a better LB than Hogg and Rowe (both known quantities) but as of today...

Tuiloma has the talent. He has a natural touch. I have zero clue as to whether him and Roux are up for it. Like I say, I can only base it on instinct and that's telling me not just yet but again, you are never going to know until you find out. Is now the time to find out with one October window to get cohesion from our best 11 before our 2 of our biggest games in 4 years? If you were going to do it, you would have done it in the window just closed, not the next one where that needs to be our best 11 in our formation. For me, its too big a risk, not when US$10m is up for grabs.

Jeff Vader edited September 10, 2013 04:07
TV wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
threatD wrote:
MetalLegNZ wrote:

Drop Lochy and Bertos and keep Durante as CB cover.

Bring in Tuioloma and Roux.

Drop Butler for Fitzgerald, Clapham for Henderson and Bright for Keat.

Maybe Siggy for Payne - invest in future and siggy shouldn't get near a starting spot so his position should be in trouble.

lol, no.

Tuiloma has not even played a national league game and we are talking about chucking him into a WC qualifier? I know he is at a decent club but he was playing reserves or youth and he was not exactly bouncing out as the best player in Northern League. He may well be good enough, but there is not enough evidence to say 'lets pick him' Maybe after November or WC2014 when a few will retire and we need to blood a few players. Roux has a bit more evidence in his favour but he was not the consistent stand out start for the u20s (had 1 good game I think)

Henderson has not seen a squad in a couple of years and Bright and Keat do not even remotely play anywhere near the same positions. Also why would you pick Payne, who is a midfielder, for Siggy who is a CB?

If you are talking squad places, well ok fair enough. If you are talking starters, I agree with ThreatD - no.


And did Howieson play NL? He essentially has been playing Burnley U18/Reserves while Tuiloma has been apart of Birkenhead yes but also LA Galaxy reserves prior to that. We've seen these U20 guys can compete.

Are you telling me Fenton, Roux etc are streets ahead of Tuiloma?

To be honest, I don't know. I actually don't know where they rank in the scheme of things. I know Fenton as a right winger from what I have seen at TW and Phoenix so hard to compare to a kid that's played left half for Birkenhead. He was one of the better players in the Birkenhead team but you would not have had him as one of the best 6 in the Northern league (Butler, Krishna, Pearce, Hicks, Ivan, JHM just to come up with some quick names) I've never seen Roux play but the bits I saw of the U20s did not impress me (I may have picked the wrong day I think cause I missed one game, was told he played well in one game and the one I watched bits of he was ordinary) . I know he is in the A League but I have never seen him play so again, I have nothing to go on.

Howieson is a bit different. This is not a opinion I have made based on age. Its more on ability. Logically, you would expect that Lochhead and Bertos should win every time but they are obviously pants at the moment. We've established that up until Thursday, Lochhead was a better LB than Hogg and Rowe (both known quantities) but as of today...

Tuiloma has the talent. He has a natural touch. I have zero clue as to whether him and Roux are up for it. Like I say, I can only base it on instinct and that's telling me not just yet but again, you are never going to know until you find out. Is now the time to find out with one October window to get cohesion from our best 11 before our 2 of our biggest games in 4 years? If you were going to do it, you would have done it in the window just closed, not the next one where that needs to be our best 11 in our formation. For me, its too big a risk, not when US$10m is up for grabs.