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Posted November 15, 2013 12:21 · last edited November 15, 2013 12:23

Bluemagic wrote:
AucklandPhoenix wrote:
happydays wrote:

So moving on....

Let's assume we want to try a new generation (DHall can give us 11 premium friendlies for next year) - is this the sort of team we're looking at?

Moss, Roux, Smith, Reid, Tuiloma, Fitzgerald, James, McGlinchey, Rojas, Wood, Kosta

Likes of Smeltz, Henderson still around as forward options. Key area is midfield as we have always struggled here but the James/Weemac combo showed promise. I agree that Weemac is not the be all and end all but he's the best we've got, and he noticeably lifted once James came on - James moved into space more in 2 minutes than Christie did in his 50 minutes on the park.

He has shown with CCM that surrounded by the right players and with the right tactics he is effective, and effective is what we need. The missing bit is obviously the DM/holding midfielder, and hopefully Fitzgerald might be the man? Stand to be corrected if I have him out of position. It does show that we have missed Tim Brown - for all his faults he was usually pretty good for the AWs by doing the basics, ie running around a lot and making tackles (Bahrain was obviously the stand out for this). And he sure as hell showed us he cared.

This team wouldn't have beaten Mexico 1-0 yesterday and isn't the miracle solution but surely it's time to try something different. Based on the number of pros we have playing decent leagues plus youngsters at good clubs we are better placed than 4 years ago - can we find a coach, and some games, to make it happen?


I like this side very much and it does give me some hope for the future, provided we actually can play some games - which is unlikely

Like your thinking. Add Wood and Reid and Ryan Thomas in the mix if he continues to develop in the Dutch top division for Zwolle and the best young NZ talent in the Phoenix and David Browne (who will be eligible for NZ in a year), one of the most exciting young players in NZ and another Rojas I believe.

They'll be prime candidates for an exciting AWs for the 2016 Confederations Cup which will be the springboard for the 2018 World Cup.

Good coach, new NZF administration and - oh I'm getting giddy.

Agree with this glass half full attitude - lots of good young talent coming through.

Two things though  -Tuiloma is more suited to defensive midfield (his position at Marseilles youth), though it's true he could play at right or left back. And boy, do we really need a good defensive mid. Tuiloma is an able goal-scorer too and has played striker for Birkenhead.

Also, the next Confeds Cup is 2017 in Russia (June - summer there) - always the year before a World Cup: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_FIFA_Confederations_Cup

Next Oceania Nations cup is 2016 - hopefully we can host it.


So lots of tournies to look forward to between now and 2018 World Cup in Russia to develop players and  hold our interest:

1. 2015 FIFA u-20 World Cup NZ (only 18 & a 1/2 months to go!!!)

2. 2016 Oceania Nations Cup - June 2016

3. 2017 Confederations Cup - June 2017

Securing some friendlies between mid-2014 and mid 2016 would be good, and must be possible with the TV money from the Mexico qualifier. Don't have to be top-level opponents -anyone in the top 120 or so FIFA nations will do us.

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Big Pete 65 edited November 15, 2013 12:23
Bluemagic wrote:
AucklandPhoenix wrote:
happydays wrote:

So moving on....

Let's assume we want to try a new generation (DHall can give us 11 premium friendlies for next year) - is this the sort of team we're looking at?

Moss, Roux, Smith, Reid, Tuiloma, Fitzgerald, James, McGlinchey, Rojas, Wood, Kosta

Likes of Smeltz, Henderson still around as forward options. Key area is midfield as we have always struggled here but the James/Weemac combo showed promise. I agree that Weemac is not the be all and end all but he's the best we've got, and he noticeably lifted once James came on - James moved into space more in 2 minutes than Christie did in his 50 minutes on the park.

He has shown with CCM that surrounded by the right players and with the right tactics he is effective, and effective is what we need. The missing bit is obviously the DM/holding midfielder, and hopefully Fitzgerald might be the man? Stand to be corrected if I have him out of position. It does show that we have missed Tim Brown - for all his faults he was usually pretty good for the AWs by doing the basics, ie running around a lot and making tackles (Bahrain was obviously the stand out for this). And he sure as hell showed us he cared.

This team wouldn't have beaten Mexico 1-0 yesterday and isn't the miracle solution but surely it's time to try something different. Based on the number of pros we have playing decent leagues plus youngsters at good clubs we are better placed than 4 years ago - can we find a coach, and some games, to make it happen?


I like this side very much and it does give me some hope for the future, provided we actually can play some games - which is unlikely

Like your thinking. Add Wood and Reid and Ryan Thomas in the mix if he continues to develop in the Dutch top division for Zwolle and the best young NZ talent in the Phoenix and David Browne (who will be eligible for NZ in a year), one of the most exciting young players in NZ and another Rojas I believe.

They'll be prime candidates for an exciting AWs for the 2016 Confederations Cup which will be the springboard for the 2018 World Cup.

Good coach, new NZF administration and - oh I'm getting giddy.

Agree with this glass half full attitude - lots of good young talent coming through.
Two things though  -Tuiloma is more suited to defensive midfield (his position at Marseilles youth), though it's true he could play at right or left back. And boy, do we really need a good defensive mid. Tuiloma is an able goal-scorer too and has played striker for Birkenhead.
Also, the next Confeds Cup is 2017 in Russia (June - summer there) - always the year before a World Cup: 
Next Oceania Nations cup is 2016 - hopefully we can host it.
So lots of tournies to look forward to between now and 2018 World Cup in Russia to develop players and  hold our interest:
1. 2015 FIFA u-20 World Cup NZ (only 18 & a 1/2 months to go!!!)
2. 2016 Oceania Nations Cup - June 2016
3. 2017 Confederations Cup - June 2017
Securing some friendlies between mid-2014 and mid 2016 would be good, and must be possible with the TV money from the Mexico qualifier. Don't have to be top-level opponents -anyone in the top 120 or so FIFA nations will do us.