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Posted December 16, 2014 03:10 · last edited December 16, 2014 03:16

Marto wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Desired future state of ASB (see p.20 of NZF High Performance Report)

"an extended and adequately resourced ASB"

10 clubs playing 3 rounds each plus finals series

No NZ Under 20 team

Oceania teams invited to join.

For me personally franchising is the way to go with all pokie money administered by a central body with all clubs/franchises both summer and winter being fully open and audited to ensure that this money is used on improving the youth, administrators, coaches and facilities, not lining average players pockets as we know happens.

I'd also love to see Manuwatu, Nelson, Gisborne, and BoP (with WaiBop reverting to Waikato) along with a PI team or two in the league.  As much as some here might not like it, the PI avenue may well be the best way to grow the league and see it televised.  I'm sure we all know how well Tahitian, Fijian and Solomon Island club and national teams are supported.

As to the franchise model, we know that both Auckland teams are winter teams in disguise, fine for Auckland.  Waikato, Otago and Canterbury in my eyes only work as franchises as there just isn't a Central United equivalent in those areas (eg Melville or Ham. Wanderers fans would never support the other club).

In the case of Gisborne and maybe Palmy and Nelson, it would be based around the strongest club in the region which YHM was (Manuwatu United).

I think it would be fair to say the each part of NZ suits a different model, either due to low populations (Gisborne), largish populations (Dunedin, Hamilton and Tauranga) or large populations (Auckland) and trying to shoehorn them all into the same model just won't work.

My memory is a bit foggy but I think Manawatu United stopped existing around 2004, when they merged with Red Sox, and the new Manawatu United in the youth league is not in any way associated with Red Sox, but is just a rebranded YHM. And for most of YHM's existence I think Palmy Marist was actually the main contributor in terms of players, and the strongest club in the region (Chatham Cup final in 2005) Although my memory of those days in Palmy might not be the clearest...

But anyway, yeah, I think you can build a franchise around a club but it has to be done in a way that is still inclusive for all the other clubs in the catchment area. The more separate you can keep the club and the franchise, the better, I reckon 

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ConanTroutman edited December 16, 2014 03:16
Marto wrote:
Jerzy Merino wrote:

Desired future state of ASB (see p.20 of NZF High Performance Report)

"an extended and adequately resourced ASB"

10 clubs playing 3 rounds each plus finals series

No NZ Under 20 team

Oceania teams invited to join.

For me personally franchising is the way to go with all pokie money administered by a central body with all clubs/franchises both summer and winter being fully open and audited to ensure that this money is used on improving the youth, administrators, coaches and facilities, not lining average players pockets as we know happens.

I'd also love to see Manuwatu, Nelson, Gisborne, and BoP (with WaiBop reverting to Waikato) along with a PI team or two in the league.  As much as some here might not like it, the PI avenue may well be the best way to grow the league and see it televised.  I'm sure we all know how well Tahitian, Fijian and Solomon Island club and national teams are supported.

As to the franchise model, we know that both Auckland teams are winter teams in disguise, fine for Auckland.  Waikato, Otago and Canterbury in my eyes only work as franchises as there just isn't a Central United equivalent in those areas (eg Melville or Ham. Wanderers fans would never support the other club).

In the case of Gisborne and maybe Palmy and Nelson, it would be based around the strongest club in the region which YHM was (Manuwatu United).

I think it would be fair to say the each part of NZ suits a different model, either due to low populations (Gisborne), largish populations (Dunedin, Hamilton and Tauranga) or large populations (Auckland) and trying to shoehorn them all into the same model just won't work.

My memory is a bit foggy but I think Manawatu United stopped existing around 2004, when they merged with Red Sox, and the new Manawatu United in the youth league is not in any way associated with Red Sox, but is just a rebranded YHM. And for most of YHM's existence I think Palmy Marist was actually the main contributor in terms of players, and the strongest club in the region (Chatham Cup final in 2005) Although my memory of those days in Palmy might not be the clearest...