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Posted April 22, 2015 01:39 · last edited April 22, 2015 01:41

Napier Phoenix wrote:

terminator_x wrote:

james dean wrote:

Napier Phoenix wrote:

Should also consider what effect this might have on winning OFC Champions League. While we might be able to equalise (and I think that it will more liklely weaken AC than bring everyone one else up to their level) some of the Island teams are spending reasonable money on attracting imports to play and win the thing, what could be do to prevent that scenario?  Now if there is money out there for that, why not an OFC League with the carrot of world club cup qualification?

I think given Martin's comments they see ACFC as very much the model in terms of level and organisation that others should follow.  Don't expect anything to be introduced that looks to cut their legs off at all.  Gaming money is a feature of sport in NZ and right or wrong that system isn't gong anywhere, so clubs will need to use that as best as possible

ACFC are the model of how to do things in many ways but their heavy reliance on pokie money to recruit players is still massively risky. Gaming money may not be going anywhere soon but Trillion's support of ACFC is such an outlier that I can easily see the trust coming under pressure. The Gaming Act Amendment Bill No 3 will bring in new reporting rules that make the whole system a lot more transparent for starters.

But that is presuming that Trillian and ACFC are operating outside of the rules as they are written. Is there any evidence of that? Internal Affairs aren't going to be putting pressure on anyone to change the rules, they are only concerned with policing the rules that are written. The only people being hurt here are those gamblers that can't afford to gamble and that is a whole different argument to this funding issue. Sure AFSC are lucky to have Trillian on board but let's not bitch about it - good on ACFC. The challenge [for the other franchises] is to forge similar arrangements, the whole concept of bringing everyone down to the lowest denominator is what has been holding NZ sport and society back for decades.

Trillion and ACFC aren't operating outside the current rules. The pressure won't be coming from the DIA it will be coming from the public. The story in the Sunday Star Times is just the start. The new reporting rules are going to make it much easier to see where the money goes and communities will be much better placed to decide whether they think it is going to the right places. Football doesn't exist in a vacuum.

They do heaps of good stuff but ACFC's funding model is not sustainable in the long term and not what other franchises should be seeking to replicate.

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terminator_x edited April 22, 2015 01:41
Napier Phoenix wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:

Should also consider what effect this might have on winning OFC Champions League. While we might be able to equalise (and I think that it will more liklely weaken AC than bring everyone one else up to their level) some of the Island teams are spending reasonable money on attracting imports to play and win the thing, what could be do to prevent that scenario?  Now if there is money out there for that, why not an OFC League with the carrot of world club cup qualification?

I think given Martin's comments they see ACFC as very much the model in terms of level and organisation that others should follow.  Don't expect anything to be introduced that looks to cut their legs off at all.  Gaming money is a feature of sport in NZ and right or wrong that system isn't gong anywhere, so clubs will need to use that as best as possible

ACFC are the model of how to do things in many ways but their heavy reliance on pokie money to recruit players is still massively risky. Gaming money may not be going anywhere soon but Trillion's support of ACFC is such an outlier that I can easily see the trust coming under pressure. The Gaming Act Amendment Bill No 3 will bring in new reporting rules that make the whole system a lot more transparent for starters.

But that is presuming that Trillian and ACFC are operating outside of the rules as they are written. Is there any evidence of that? Internal Affairs aren't going to be putting pressure on anyone to change the rules, they are only concerned with policing the rules that are written. The only people being hurt here are those gamblers that can't afford to gamble and that is a whole different argument to this funding issue. Sure AFSC are lucky to have Trillian on board but let's not bitch about it - good on ACFC. The challenge [for the other franchises] is to forge similar arrangements, the whole concept of bringing everyone down to the lowest denominator is what has been holding NZ sport and society back for decades.

Trillion and ACFC aren't operating outside the current rules. The pressure won't be coming from the DIA it will be coming from the public. The story in the Sunday Star Times is just the start. The new reporting rules are going to make it much easier to see where the money goes and communities will be much better placed to decide whether they think it is going to the right places. Football doesn't exist in a vacuum.

For all the good that they do ACFC's funding model is not sustainable in the long term and not what other franchises should be seeking to replicate.

terminator_x edited April 22, 2015 01:40
Napier Phoenix wrote:
terminator_x wrote:
james dean wrote:
Napier Phoenix wrote:

Should also consider what effect this might have on winning OFC Champions League. While we might be able to equalise (and I think that it will more liklely weaken AC than bring everyone one else up to their level) some of the Island teams are spending reasonable money on attracting imports to play and win the thing, what could be do to prevent that scenario?  Now if there is money out there for that, why not an OFC League with the carrot of world club cup qualification?

I think given Martin's comments they see ACFC as very much the model in terms of level and organisation that others should follow.  Don't expect anything to be introduced that looks to cut their legs off at all.  Gaming money is a feature of sport in NZ and right or wrong that system isn't gong anywhere, so clubs will need to use that as best as possible

ACFC are the model of how to do things in many ways but their heavy reliance on pokie money to recruit players is still massively risky. Gaming money may not be going anywhere soon but Trillion's support of ACFC is such an outlier that I can easily see the trust coming under pressure. The Gaming Act Amendment Bill No 3 will bring in new reporting rules that make the whole system a lot more transparent for starters.

But that is presuming that Trillian and ACFC are operating outside of the rules as they are written. Is there any evidence of that? Internal Affairs aren't going to be putting pressure on anyone to change the rules, they are only concerned with policing the rules that are written. The only people being hurt here are those gamblers that can't afford to gamble and that is a whole different argument to this funding issue. Sure AFSC are lucky to have Trillian on board but let's not bitch about it - good on ACFC. The challenge [for the other franchises] is to forge similar arrangements, the whole concept of bringing everyone down to the lowest denominator is what has been holding NZ sport and society back for decades.

Trillion and ACFC aren't operating outside the current rules. The pressure won't be coming from the DIA it will be coming from the public. The story in the Sunday Star Times is just the start. The new reporting rules are going to make it much easier to see where the money goes and communities will be much better placed to decide whether they think it is going to the right places. Football doesn't exist in a vacuum.