ok - we are not going to agree on the personal thing = moving on.
I agree that Bilen is over-rated - I'm not sure I would call him a Donkey - but anyhoo.
I thought Tade was pretty good in the first half - probably held onto the ball a tad too much, however most of the second half he wasn't getting much service so he was a bit quiet.
Didn't really notice Terris to be honest - i guess that could be a good thing or a bad thing..
Kamo - don't really see what your talking about here - by your own admission Vicelich and co bitched about everything so can't really take their actions at face value.
Can't disagree about Kelly - but then again in the role he was playing being a tackling machine isn't high on the list of required skills - if he was he could play a little deeper and let Clapham have that role so I get your point there.
Pretty sure Julian colleyt wasn't casted off by Bay Olympic - he just moved to Chch - could be wrong but my memory is that he was rated quite high at Olympic.
Re Clapham - i thought he covered a lot of ground, i noticed him organising the team a lot - telling the lads when to push etc - again I saw some runs in behind from that deep role - often not used but they do stretch the defence.
I think Clapham has become an easy target with that kind of jibe from Phil and to be honest it's pretty low grade banter from him.
With the red card - Bale had a bit of a crack at Clapham after his red - not sure what that was all about, Clapham didn't really make much a big deal about the tackle.
Chopah you have my vote over JV as I don't agree Tade's a 20 min player.
Anyway thank you both for the banter.