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Posted October 25, 2018 05:47 · last edited October 25, 2018 06:06

Foot20Ball wrote:

Agreed, most of them (not all of them) were fantastic players, but not good enough to make the play-offs under Matt. I get the need to develop young players, but you too need a successful side on the pitch to keep fans engaged, (NZ'ers don't support losing teams) sponsors on board and potential ones interested. I feel that too many people make opinions on HBU without realising the world is not perfect and having a successful, locally developed and financially stable franchise in this league is bloody hard work. Perhaps the fact that HBU even exists is testament to some tough decision making and a small miracle. Even the bigger teams such as Wellington were putting an out an SOS to fund their O-League campaign. HBU is not perfect is any sense, but at least we still have National League to watch and enjoy. I bet if HBU ceases to exist you'll up in arms then too. 

Everyone goes back to player development etc - Central Football work to a NZF framework, they have KPI's so if there's something wrong at Central, there must be something wrong everywhere. The clubs have a part to play here too. Havelock North have a focus on developing young local players and that was empahsised through their emphatic performances at the recent Under 19 tournament - but the reality is these players aren't ready to play National League nor are most of the local NCR players who were a part of their Central League team.  At the end of the day I say if the locals are good enough to play, then they should play, if not they shouldn't. Simple. I'd rather we win the National League this season than give a kid who actually isn't good enough and may not even be playing the game in 3-4 years a match.

Some good comments here and I certainly respect your opinions. Although disagree with your comment about NCR team as most of them are playing or have played NL? And as Stu James pointed out most of HBU signings played in Central League and finished in the bottom half of the table. But this is just my opinion on players and ability.

My main question based on facts. All this money (factually acknowledged by CF) that has been poured in by them to HBU has essentially done what so far for the region over the years? 

Is it simply to maintain the fact the region has a NL team. If so, how long does this continue for?

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Unknown editor edited October 25, 2018 06:06
Foot20Ball wrote:

Agreed, most of them (not all of them) were fantastic players, but not good enough to make the play-offs under Matt. I get the need to develop young players, but you too need a successful side on the pitch to keep fans engaged, (NZ'ers don't support losing teams) sponsors on board and potential ones interested. I feel that too many people make opinions on HBU without realising the world is not perfect and having a successful, locally developed and financially stable franchise in this league is bloody hard work. Perhaps the fact that HBU even exists is testament to some tough decision making and a small miracle. Even the bigger teams such as Wellington were putting an out an SOS to fund their O-League campaign. HBU is not perfect is any sense, but at least we still have National League to watch and enjoy. I bet if HBU ceases to exist you'll up in arms then too. 

Everyone goes back to player development etc - Central Football work to a NZF framework, they have KPI's so if there's something wrong at Central, there must be something wrong everywhere. The clubs have a part to play here too. Havelock North have a focus on developing young local players and that was empahsised through their emphatic performances at the recent Under 19 tournament - but the reality is these players aren't ready to play National League nor are most of the local NCR players who were a part of their Central League team.  At the end of the day I say if the locals are good enough to play, then they should play, if not they shouldn't. Simple. I'd rather we win the National League this season than give a kid who actually isn't good enough and may not even be playing the game in 3-4 years a match.

Some good comments here and I certainly respect your opinions. Although disagree with your comment about NCR team as most of them are playing or have played NL? And as Stu James pointed out most of HBU signings played in Central League and finished in the bottom half of the table.

But my main question is all this money that has been poured in by CF to HBU has essentially done what so far for the region?  

Is it simply to maintain the fact the region has a NL team. If so, how long does this continue for, until we win the league?

Unknown editor edited October 25, 2018 05:54
Foot20Ball wrote:

Agreed, most of them (not all of them) were fantastic players, but not good enough to make the play-offs under Matt. I get the need to develop young players, but you too need a successful side on the pitch to keep fans engaged, (NZ'ers don't support losing teams) sponsors on board and potential ones interested. I feel that too many people make opinions on HBU without realising the world is not perfect and having a successful, locally developed and financially stable franchise in this league is bloody hard work. Perhaps the fact that HBU even exists is testament to some tough decision making and a small miracle. Even the bigger teams such as Wellington were putting an out an SOS to fund their O-League campaign. HBU is not perfect is any sense, but at least we still have National League to watch and enjoy. I bet if HBU ceases to exist you'll up in arms then too. 

Everyone goes back to player development etc - Central Football work to a NZF framework, they have KPI's so if there's something wrong at Central, there must be something wrong everywhere. The clubs have a part to play here too. Havelock North have a focus on developing young local players and that was empahsised through their emphatic performances at the recent Under 19 tournament - but the reality is these players aren't ready to play National League nor are most of the local NCR players who were a part of their Central League team.  At the end of the day I say if the locals are good enough to play, then they should play, if not they shouldn't. Simple. I'd rather we win the National League this season than give a kid who actually isn't good enough and may not even be playing the game in 3-4 years a match.

Some good comments here and I certainly respect your opinions. Although disagree with your comment about NCR team as most of them are playing or have played NL?

But my main question is all this money that has been poured in by CF to HBU has essentially done what so far for the region?  

Is it simply to maintain the fact the region has a NL team. If so, how long does this continue for, until we win the league?

Unknown editor edited October 25, 2018 05:52
Foot20Ball wrote:

Agreed, most of them (not all of them) were fantastic players, but not good enough to make the play-offs under Matt. I get the need to develop young players, but you too need a successful side on the pitch to keep fans engaged, (NZ'ers don't support losing teams) sponsors on board and potential ones interested. I feel that too many people make opinions on HBU without realising the world is not perfect and having a successful, locally developed and financially stable franchise in this league is bloody hard work. Perhaps the fact that HBU even exists is testament to some tough decision making and a small miracle. Even the bigger teams such as Wellington were putting an out an SOS to fund their O-League campaign. HBU is not perfect is any sense, but at least we still have National League to watch and enjoy. I bet if HBU ceases to exist you'll up in arms then too. 

Everyone goes back to player development etc - Central Football work to a NZF framework, they have KPI's so if there's something wrong at Central, there must be something wrong everywhere. The clubs have a part to play here too. Havelock North have a focus on developing young local players and that was empahsised through their emphatic performances at the recent Under 19 tournament - but the reality is these players aren't ready to play National League nor are most of the local NCR players who were a part of their Central League team.  At the end of the day I say if the locals are good enough to play, then they should play, if not they shouldn't. Simple. I'd rather we win the National League this season than give a kid who actually isn't good enough and may not even be playing the game in 3-4 years a match.

Some good comments here and I certainly respect your opinions. Although disagree with your comment about NCR team as most of them are playing or have played NL?

But my main question is all this money that has been poured in by CF to HBU has essentially done what so far for the region?  

Is it simply to maintain the fact the region has a NL team. If so, how long does this continue for? Until we win the league, or produce pro player after pro player through the HBU set up?

Unknown editor edited October 25, 2018 05:49
Foot20Ball wrote:

Agreed, most of them (not all of them) were fantastic players, but not good enough to make the play-offs under Matt. I get the need to develop young players, but you too need a successful side on the pitch to keep fans engaged, (NZ'ers don't support losing teams) sponsors on board and potential ones interested. I feel that too many people make opinions on HBU without realising the world is not perfect and having a successful, locally developed and financially stable franchise in this league is bloody hard work. Perhaps the fact that HBU even exists is testament to some tough decision making and a small miracle. Even the bigger teams such as Wellington were putting an out an SOS to fund their O-League campaign. HBU is not perfect is any sense, but at least we still have National League to watch and enjoy. I bet if HBU ceases to exist you'll up in arms then too. 

Everyone goes back to player development etc - Central Football work to a NZF framework, they have KPI's so if there's something wrong at Central, there must be something wrong everywhere. The clubs have a part to play here too. Havelock North have a focus on developing young local players and that was empahsised through their emphatic performances at the recent Under 19 tournament - but the reality is these players aren't ready to play National League nor are most of the local NCR players who were a part of their Central League team.  At the end of the day I say if the locals are good enough to play, then they should play, if not they shouldn't. Simple. I'd rather we win the National League this season than give a kid who actually isn't good enough and may not even be playing the game in 3-4 years a match.

Some good comments here and I certainly respect your opinions.

But my main question is all this money that has been poured in by CF to HBU has essentially done what so far for the region?  

Is it simply to maintain the fact the region has a NL team. If so, how long does this continue for? Until we win the league, or produce pro player after pro player through the HBU set up?