Baldoni the sort of talent who in prior years may have been lured south to Weenix??
Quite a few more debuts this weekend. Manurewa continue to bring in a constant stream of new players with James Blakeman-Smith and Jackson Baird joining from the NRFL Championship. They even got a win, beating Fencibles who have signed Ryan Revill from Auckland FC after he didn't play much for their reserves.
There were a couple of youngsters making their debut, Caleb Wellsbury for Tauranga (presumably younger brother of their top striker Morgan) and William Britton for Western Springs.
Also, after many years for Birkenhead, Luke Jorgensen has now turned up at West Coast Rangers halfway through the season.
There were a couple of youngsters making their debut, Caleb Wellsbury for Tauranga (presumably younger brother of their top striker Morgan) and William Britton for Western Springs.
Also, after many years for Birkenhead, Luke Jorgensen has now turned up at West Coast Rangers halfway through the season.
Via Niche Cache.
https://theniche-cache.com/football/2025/6/30/aotearoa-domestic-football-roundup-30-june#google_vignette
A bit of a back story to help somewhat counter the agrument that Auckland II are low on the Northern League ladder and don't deserve an automatic NL spot. Sounds like they are resting most of their NZU20 players at the moment.
Weenix might be doing the same at the moment. Gotta watch the loads on young players.
What do ya know, the old mates at Auckland FC have made another couple of reserves signings. They already added Benjamin Perez Baldoni (15, Ellerslie) and Nathan Martin (17, Fencibles) a few weeks back and in the last few days Liam Hill (17, Fencibles) and Evan Masamba (17, Auckland United) have also joined the group. Masamba only made his senior debut for AUFC about a month ago, having previously been with Onehunga Sports. He’s a defender. Hill is a goalkeeper who becomes the fourth Fencies player picked up by the AFC Reserves so far (Ryan Mackay, Eli Jones, Nathan Martin, and Liam Hill).
https://theniche-cache.com/football/2025/6/30/aotearoa-domestic-football-roundup-30-june#google_vignette
A bit of a back story to help somewhat counter the agrument that Auckland II are low on the Northern League ladder and don't deserve an automatic NL spot. Sounds like they are resting most of their NZU20 players at the moment.
Weenix might be doing the same at the moment. Gotta watch the loads on young players.
What do ya know, the old mates at Auckland FC have made another couple of reserves signings. They already added Benjamin Perez Baldoni (15, Ellerslie) and Nathan Martin (17, Fencibles) a few weeks back and in the last few days Liam Hill (17, Fencibles) and Evan Masamba (17, Auckland United) have also joined the group. Masamba only made his senior debut for AUFC about a month ago, having previously been with Onehunga Sports. He’s a defender. Hill is a goalkeeper who becomes the fourth Fencies player picked up by the AFC Reserves so far (Ryan Mackay, Eli Jones, Nathan Martin, and Liam Hill).
AFC have made a strong point about not wanting younger junior squads so as to keep players at their clubs for longer, keeping the local youth comps stronger and thus allowing more room for development beyond their selected few. It’s a positive way to operate which shows respect for what many Northern League clubs are already doing in the development space. This way AFC goes around offering hands-on support and coaching to a wide range of players through their 18 affiliated clubs and then presumably then takes the pick of the crop at a later age. NZF have already supported the Wellington Phoenix in doing similar things so it seems that everybody’s on the same page.
Why are AFC stocking up the reserves right now with four mid-season additions? Well, it’s notable that the lads on A-League scholarship contracts haven’t featured in the weeks since they got back from NZ U20s duty. James Mitchell and Codey Phoenix have been reintegrated from that U20s squad but not the scholars. Probably a deserved rest before they rip into first team preseason in a few weeks, not to mention the Aussie Cup. We’ll see how what happens moving forward but it’s possible we don’t see them for the Reserves much more until the National League phase begins.
Naturally, that does weaken this team. No Finn McKenlay, Jonty Bidois, Adama Coulibaly, or Oliver Middleton (Joe Knowles hasn’t played recently either) has led to three straight Northern League defeats with the latest being a 2-1 loss against East Coast Bays. They weren’t far off though. After conceding a 25th minute penalty converted by Jack Caunter, it seemed that ECB were on track for a narrow win... until Ben Perez Baldoni popped up off the bench. The 15 year old made it two goals in two games for his new club, this time with was a powering header from a pinpoint Ralph Rutherford free kick delivery...
Via Niche Cache.
https://theniche-cache.com/football/2025/6/30/aotearoa-domestic-football-roundup-30-june#google_vignette
A bit of a back story to help somewhat counter the agrument that Auckland II are low on the Northern League ladder and don't deserve an automatic NL spot. Sounds like they are resting most of their NZU20 players at the moment.
Weenix might be doing the same at the moment. Gotta watch the loads on young players.
What do ya know, the old mates at Auckland FC have made another couple of reserves signings. They already added Benjamin Perez Baldoni (15, Ellerslie) and Nathan Martin (17, Fencibles) a few weeks back and in the last few days Liam Hill (17, Fencibles) and Evan Masamba (17, Auckland United) have also joined the group. Masamba only made his senior debut for AUFC about a month ago, having previously been with Onehunga Sports. He’s a defender. Hill is a goalkeeper who becomes the fourth Fencies player picked up by the AFC Reserves so far (Ryan Mackay, Eli Jones, Nathan Martin, and Liam Hill).
https://theniche-cache.com/football/2025/6/30/aotearoa-domestic-football-roundup-30-june#google_vignette
A bit of a back story to help somewhat counter the agrument that Auckland II are low on the Northern League ladder and don't deserve an automatic NL spot. Sounds like they are resting most of their NZU20 players at the moment.
Weenix might be doing the same at the moment. Gotta watch the loads on young players.
What do ya know, the old mates at Auckland FC have made another couple of reserves signings. They already added Benjamin Perez Baldoni (15, Ellerslie) and Nathan Martin (17, Fencibles) a few weeks back and in the last few days Liam Hill (17, Fencibles) and Evan Masamba (17, Auckland United) have also joined the group. Masamba only made his senior debut for AUFC about a month ago, having previously been with Onehunga Sports. He’s a defender. Hill is a goalkeeper who becomes the fourth Fencies player picked up by the AFC Reserves so far (Ryan Mackay, Eli Jones, Nathan Martin, and Liam Hill).
AFC have made a strong point about not wanting younger junior squads so as to keep players at their clubs for longer, keeping the local youth comps stronger and thus allowing more room for development beyond their selected few. It’s a positive way to operate which shows respect for what many Northern League clubs are already doing in the development space. This way AFC goes around offering hands-on support and coaching to a wide range of players through their 18 affiliated clubs and then presumably then takes the pick of the crop at a later age. NZF have already supported the Wellington Phoenix in doing similar things so it seems that everybody’s on the same page.
Why are AFC stocking up the reserves right now with four mid-season additions? Well, it’s notable that the lads on A-League scholarship contracts haven’t featured in the weeks since they got back from NZ U20s duty. James Mitchell and Codey Phoenix have been reintegrated from that U20s squad but not the scholars. Probably a deserved rest before they rip into first team preseason in a few weeks, not to mention the Aussie Cup. We’ll see how what happens moving forward but it’s possible we don’t see them for the Reserves much more until the National League phase begins.
Naturally, that does weaken this team. No Finn McKenlay, Jonty Bidois, Adama Coulibaly, or Oliver Middleton (Joe Knowles hasn’t played recently either) has led to three straight Northern League defeats with the latest being a 2-1 loss against East Coast Bays. They weren’t far off though. After conceding a 25th minute penalty converted by Jack Caunter, it seemed that ECB were on track for a narrow win... until Ben Perez Baldoni popped up off the bench. The 15 year old made it two goals in two games for his new club, this time with was a powering header from a pinpoint Ralph Rutherford free kick delivery...
For instance in this case, the Auckland FC "Why are Auckland FC stocking up reserves with mid season acquisitions". Look into the participation agreement and contactual obligations. I believe the scholarship players were only available for first 8 rounds to make sure they have a break between seasons.
Bit harsh. I mean good on you for knowing the Northern League participation agreement for Auckland II. I'm sure it's an interesting read.
At the end of the day he got the basic fact right, that Auckland Reserves are currently recruiting a number of talented teenagers as their first team scholarship/NZ U20 guys are having a bit of a break from football for a month or so. And understandably with a very young team they are struggling.
Do agree that Niche Cache's domestic football write ups are a little bland. But I really enjoy his weekly coverage of Overseas based Kiwis, both mens and womens. It's highly comprehensive and well researched. Excellent even. Especially for female players, there is no one else in NZ that comes close to covering various Football Ferns and others overseas. He's always quick to dig out some video highlights of a goal or some other action. Some of it like from the Euro lower leagues not easy to source.
At the end of the day he got the basic fact right, that Auckland Reserves are currently recruiting a number of talented teenagers as their first team scholarship/NZ U20 guys are having a bit of a break from football for a month or so. And understandably with a very young team they are struggling.
Do agree that Niche Cache's domestic football write ups are a little bland. But I really enjoy his weekly coverage of Overseas based Kiwis, both mens and womens. It's highly comprehensive and well researched. Excellent even. Especially for female players, there is no one else in NZ that comes close to covering various Football Ferns and others overseas. He's always quick to dig out some video highlights of a goal or some other action. Some of it like from the Euro lower leagues not easy to source.
And in fairness it’s pitched as a round-up, so it’s understandable that in covering so many teams and games they don’t go into as much depth as they could.
That said maybe I just have low expectations - being so new to the domestic scene I find any nugget of historical context valuable, but I can see how more knowledgeable readers might have a different opinion.
That said maybe I just have low expectations - being so new to the domestic scene I find any nugget of historical context valuable, but I can see how more knowledgeable readers might have a different opinion.
Considering the sheer amount of football content they cover across the men's and women's domestic game all over the country, as well as looking at Kiwis playing all over the world in all sorts of international leagues, it's not surprising that some things slip through the cracks.
Good if you want a basic overlook at the state of the competitions, but if more detailed write ups on specific things is what you're after there are a few other ways to get it.
Good if you want a basic overlook at the state of the competitions, but if more detailed write ups on specific things is what you're after there are a few other ways to get it.
As had been previously reported, Kian Donkers has made his debut for Birkenhead off the bench. Their opponents, Manurewa, had also made a signing with Ethan Foo rejoining them.
Auckland City gave Reon Werahiko a debut in goal, but it didn't go well as they lost to Tauranga. Ryan Ellis has also left the club to rejoin Western Springs. Auckland FC have also brought in another player to the reserves, with Evan Masamba Kuzmenko joining from Auckland United.
Finally, Bay Olympic have signed Jesse Burge from Cashmere Tech and Fencibles gave Braeden O'Neill a debut. I can't find anything about him, but he did get a goal.
Auckland City gave Reon Werahiko a debut in goal, but it didn't go well as they lost to Tauranga. Ryan Ellis has also left the club to rejoin Western Springs. Auckland FC have also brought in another player to the reserves, with Evan Masamba Kuzmenko joining from Auckland United.
Finally, Bay Olympic have signed Jesse Burge from Cashmere Tech and Fencibles gave Braeden O'Neill a debut. I can't find anything about him, but he did get a goal.
Tauranga City doing what Boca Juniors couldn't.
No Nathan Garrow in goal for ACFC. Catching up on Uni studies/exams or down to Welly for a Nix trial?
No Nathan Garrow in goal for ACFC. Catching up on Uni studies/exams or down to Welly for a Nix trial?
As had been previously reported, Kian Donkers has made his debut for Birkenhead off the bench. Their opponents, Manurewa, had also made a signing with Ethan Foo rejoining them.
Auckland City gave Reon Werahiko a debut in goal, but it didn't go well as they lost to Tauranga. Ryan Ellis has also left the club to rejoin Western Springs. Auckland FC have also brought in another player to the reserves, with Evan Masamba Kuzmenko joining from Auckland United.
Finally, Bay Olympic have signed Jesse Burge from Cashmere Tech and Fencibles gave Braeden O'Neill a debut. I can't find anything about him, but he did get a goal.
Auckland City gave Reon Werahiko a debut in goal, but it didn't go well as they lost to Tauranga. Ryan Ellis has also left the club to rejoin Western Springs. Auckland FC have also brought in another player to the reserves, with Evan Masamba Kuzmenko joining from Auckland United.
Finally, Bay Olympic have signed Jesse Burge from Cashmere Tech and Fencibles gave Braeden O'Neill a debut. I can't find anything about him, but he did get a goal.
lol, re Fencibles player on debut was it bpofooty on Instagram. Certainly a different, modern path.
As had been previously reported, Kian Donkers has made his debut for Birkenhead off the bench. Their opponents, Manurewa, had also made a signing with Ethan Foo rejoining them.
Auckland City gave Reon Werahiko a debut in goal, but it didn't go well as they lost to Tauranga. Ryan Ellis has also left the club to rejoin Western Springs. Auckland FC have also brought in another player to the reserves, with Evan Masamba Kuzmenko joining from Auckland United.
Finally, Bay Olympic have signed Jesse Burge from Cashmere Tech and Fencibles gave Braeden O'Neill a debut. I can't find anything about him, but he did get a goal.
Auckland City gave Reon Werahiko a debut in goal, but it didn't go well as they lost to Tauranga. Ryan Ellis has also left the club to rejoin Western Springs. Auckland FC have also brought in another player to the reserves, with Evan Masamba Kuzmenko joining from Auckland United.
Finally, Bay Olympic have signed Jesse Burge from Cashmere Tech and Fencibles gave Braeden O'Neill a debut. I can't find anything about him, but he did get a goal.
lol, re Fencibles player on debut was it bpofooty on Instagram. Certainly a different, modern path.
Seems that he has been doing well so far, 2 goals in 2.
Only one debut this week, Freddie Martin for Manurewa. He'd been with St Mirren for Scotland for a couple of years before returning home to NZ. He was playing for Hibiscus Coast earlier this season but has now been replaced by Regan Diver.
What is happening at Auckland City, is it fatigue from CWC or Auckland FC is actual competition for them now in terms of the reserves and working with all Auckland clubs, or a bit of both.
The games in hand are against one and two too.
The games in hand are against one and two too.
The Navy Blues are back 💥
— NZ National League 🏆🇳🇿 (@nzleagues) July 31, 2025
After back-to-back defeats, @AucklandCity_FC bounced back with two last-minute wins over the top two teams in the Dettol Northern League 🙌
They are now level on games played and back in the top four 📊#DettolNationalLeague pic.twitter.com/gBDVKpLa8j
Fascinating little yarn (with touches of humour) that Doloras in particular may enjoy.
Basically the story of Western Springs coming to be. Steeped in socialism
https://www.friendsoffootballnz.com/2025/08/05/how-the-grey-lynn-comrades-began-an-auckland-football-dynasty/
In 1963, Grey Lynn played Mt Wellington in a promotion-relegation match at the code’s then-headquarters, Blandford Park in Grafton Gully. (The game’s headquarters met a classic Auckland fate – it became a motorway off-ramp.)
Basically the story of Western Springs coming to be. Steeped in socialism
https://www.friendsoffootballnz.com/2025/08/05/how-the-grey-lynn-comrades-began-an-auckland-football-dynasty/
In 1963, Grey Lynn played Mt Wellington in a promotion-relegation match at the code’s then-headquarters, Blandford Park in Grafton Gully. (The game’s headquarters met a classic Auckland fate – it became a motorway off-ramp.)
Nice article, I hadn’t understood how landlocked Karori ended up with the “Wharfies” nickname until now.
Also I really like the opening line:
Telling the story of a small football club is like flicking through an old family photo album.
Also I really like the opening line:
Telling the story of a small football club is like flicking through an old family photo album.
A midweek game for West Coast Rangers and Auckland United saw some mixed up teamsheets. WCR had Hamish Jardine making his debut after a 2024 season playing for Ferrymead Bays, as well as Samoan youth international Kingston Hansell.
Fascinating little yarn (with touches of humour) that Doloras in particular may enjoy.
Basically the story of Western Springs coming to be. Steeped in socialism
https://www.friendsoffootballnz.com/2025/08/05/how-the-grey-lynn-comrades-began-an-auckland-football-dynasty/
In 1963, Grey Lynn played Mt Wellington in a promotion-relegation match at the code’s then-headquarters, Blandford Park in Grafton Gully. (The game’s headquarters met a classic Auckland fate – it became a motorway off-ramp.)
Basically the story of Western Springs coming to be. Steeped in socialism
https://www.friendsoffootballnz.com/2025/08/05/how-the-grey-lynn-comrades-began-an-auckland-football-dynasty/
In 1963, Grey Lynn played Mt Wellington in a promotion-relegation match at the code’s then-headquarters, Blandford Park in Grafton Gully. (The game’s headquarters met a classic Auckland fate – it became a motorway off-ramp.)
Of course nothing to compare to the old City-Newton rugby league club whose president was literal communist cadre Bill Andersen, who (legend has it) once got delivery workers to "lose" a school's coal supply in protest at a teacher not letting the kids play league
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
Curious to see how Auckland City get on today. Feels like they've had a massive post club world cup comedown.. whereas AFC Reserves have started to put some results together!
With the end of the season drawing near, a few youngsters getting on for debuts this weekend. Most impressively, Harrison Lloyd got 2 goals on debut for Fencibles. There was also a debut for Blake Robinson at Tauranga and Samoan international Taine Wilson has signed for Bay Olympic after playing in the NRFL Championship for Northern Rovers.
Curious to see how Auckland City get on today. Feels like they've had a massive post club world cup comedown.. whereas AFC Reserves have started to put some results together!
Who likes late result-altering goals with huge ramifications?
— The Niche Cache (@thenichecache) August 11, 2025
Because there were plenty of those across the NZ regional leagues this week (including Fencibles who scored two of them) pic.twitter.com/MsqQDj0qwu
Have gotten a ton of player stats, so here they are.
All stats are from 2021 to 2025.
Unfortunately, I mucked something up in the code and am currently unable to do most clean-sheets, most goals conceded and most pens scored. If y'all want I will do a part two with more stats and an updated code to fix the missed stats (maybe like when the most goals are scored, most multi goal games, most matches as captain etc).
There have been 920 player that have played in the league.
Most Appearances:
105 Derek Tieku
101 Shuiab Khan
96 Reid Drake
96 Ross Haviland
95 Callum Mcneill
95 Leon Van Den Hoven
91 Nic Milicich
90 Dino Botica
90 Sam Burfoot
89 Kelvin Kalua
Most Goals:
61 Derek Tieku
51 Emiliano Tade
45 Jake Mechell
42 Monty Patterson
41 Angus Kilkolly
34 Reid Drake
32 Ryan De Vries
28 Joshua Redfearn
26 Dawson Straffon
26 Joe Lee
Most Yellow Cards:
30 Sam Burfoot
28 Luke Jorgensen
27 Brock Messenger
24 Callum Mcneill
18 Jason Alama
17 Miles Palmer
17 Shuiab Khan
17 Liam Hayes
16 Hamed Basiri
15 Finn Mckenlay
Most Red Cards: *(Only as straight red cards)
3 Tyler Lissette
2 Jason Alama
Most Minutes Played:
9,027 Derek Tieku
8,788 Shuiab Khan
7,967 Ross Haviland
7,964 Callum Mcneill
7,937 Leon Van Den Hoven
7,738 Nic Milicich
7,708 Reid Drake
7,574 Dino Botica
7,454 Sam Burfoot
7,323 Max Tommy
Most subbed on players:
37 Ishveer Singh
33 Addison Stewart
32 Dylan Laing-Mcconnell
30 William Stephen
29 Ryan De Vries
Most subbed off players:
43 Joe Lee
37 Oliver Fay
34 Will Mendoza
33 Chase Taylor
33 Ryan Verney
Most benched players:
38 Conor Jamieson
36 Nathan Garrow
31 Oliver Pocock
30 Conor Tracey
24 Cory Townsend
Most Own Goals:
3 Christian Gray
2 Jackson Jarvie
2 Joe Wallis
2 Adam Davidson
2 Dylan Hobson
All stats are from 2021 to 2025.
Unfortunately, I mucked something up in the code and am currently unable to do most clean-sheets, most goals conceded and most pens scored. If y'all want I will do a part two with more stats and an updated code to fix the missed stats (maybe like when the most goals are scored, most multi goal games, most matches as captain etc).
There have been 920 player that have played in the league.
Most Appearances:
105 Derek Tieku
101 Shuiab Khan
96 Reid Drake
96 Ross Haviland
95 Callum Mcneill
95 Leon Van Den Hoven
91 Nic Milicich
90 Dino Botica
90 Sam Burfoot
89 Kelvin Kalua
Most Goals:
61 Derek Tieku
51 Emiliano Tade
45 Jake Mechell
42 Monty Patterson
41 Angus Kilkolly
34 Reid Drake
32 Ryan De Vries
28 Joshua Redfearn
26 Dawson Straffon
26 Joe Lee
Most Yellow Cards:
30 Sam Burfoot
28 Luke Jorgensen
27 Brock Messenger
24 Callum Mcneill
18 Jason Alama
17 Miles Palmer
17 Shuiab Khan
17 Liam Hayes
16 Hamed Basiri
15 Finn Mckenlay
Most Red Cards: *(Only as straight red cards)
3 Tyler Lissette
2 Jason Alama
Most Minutes Played:
9,027 Derek Tieku
8,788 Shuiab Khan
7,967 Ross Haviland
7,964 Callum Mcneill
7,937 Leon Van Den Hoven
7,738 Nic Milicich
7,708 Reid Drake
7,574 Dino Botica
7,454 Sam Burfoot
7,323 Max Tommy
Most subbed on players:
37 Ishveer Singh
33 Addison Stewart
32 Dylan Laing-Mcconnell
30 William Stephen
29 Ryan De Vries
Most subbed off players:
43 Joe Lee
37 Oliver Fay
34 Will Mendoza
33 Chase Taylor
33 Ryan Verney
Most benched players:
38 Conor Jamieson
36 Nathan Garrow
31 Oliver Pocock
30 Conor Tracey
24 Cory Townsend
Most Own Goals:
3 Christian Gray
2 Jackson Jarvie
2 Joe Wallis
2 Adam Davidson
2 Dylan Hobson
Tade has been here since the start of that period right?
Second on goals score but not top 10 in appearances...
One part injuries, one part Auckland City nonsense?
Second on goals score but not top 10 in appearances...
One part injuries, one part Auckland City nonsense?
How strong are Waiheke FC these days?
This change will help them if they ever get back in the Northern League.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360869918/nz-football-announces-national-league-shake-historic-first-womens-game
NZ Football is also changing foreign player regulations. At present teams are limited to a certain number of players who aren’t New Zealand citizens. Going forward, permanent residents will be treated the same as citizens when applying those limits.
This change will help them if they ever get back in the Northern League.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360869918/nz-football-announces-national-league-shake-historic-first-womens-game
NZ Football is also changing foreign player regulations. At present teams are limited to a certain number of players who aren’t New Zealand citizens. Going forward, permanent residents will be treated the same as citizens when applying those limits.
Tade has been here since the start of that period right?
Second on goals score but not top 10 in appearances...
One part injuries, one part Auckland City nonsense?
Second on goals score but not top 10 in appearances...
One part injuries, one part Auckland City nonsense?
He went back to Argentina and played there for a season, maybe a bit longer. Didn't like seeing guns in the sheds.
Can see season-by-season/competition-by-competition here (2025 not quite up to date)
He was also in Sth Africa 2018-2019.
I think he'e be more likely to come across some violent crime there, than his country of birth. I'd openly walk the streets of BA any day over Jo'burg.
I think he'e be more likely to come across some violent crime there, than his country of birth. I'd openly walk the streets of BA any day over Jo'burg.
Walking the streets in BA might be safer than playing on the losing team in the sticks and finding a gun waved in yr face in the dressing room.
For sure Argentina has some violent crime. There was a Kiwi tourist tragically shot dead, a few years back near Mendoza, after trying fight back against a motocycle thief.
But South Africa is next level. You can never fully relax there, always got be aware of your surroundings. I remember Tade struggled to settle in SA. His family was back in NZ from memory.
Tade is from in Santiago del Estero, in Argentina's north. Wiki tells me it has about 250,000, so not completely in the sticks. He played for local club Club Atlético Mitre, in Argy's 2nd tier. Yipe may well have been some arms in the changing room, but he moved from there to the PSL, which is a bit like going from the frying fan to the fire, re your chances of getting shot.
But South Africa is next level. You can never fully relax there, always got be aware of your surroundings. I remember Tade struggled to settle in SA. His family was back in NZ from memory.
Tade is from in Santiago del Estero, in Argentina's north. Wiki tells me it has about 250,000, so not completely in the sticks. He played for local club Club Atlético Mitre, in Argy's 2nd tier. Yipe may well have been some arms in the changing room, but he moved from there to the PSL, which is a bit like going from the frying fan to the fire, re your chances of getting shot.