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Matt Williams commutes to Auckland... he was quality today

Waikato are better than the score suggested - they'll be decent this season I think.


Its sad really given he's a Ngaruawahia AFC old boy.
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I agree Smithy on the NZFC as being the flagship of our game and that was my beef with turning it into an Under 23 (or any other restriction) league. It must contain the best players from all regions. Problem is a lot of the players haven't bought into it (3 years ago Ben Sigmund was playing Rugby to escape from the year round Football sycle).
Regarding the National tournament Michael Glading put a figure of $900.000 on it when he was here. Mostly funded by Perry Foundation and it was the loss of this funding that was the biggest threat to the tournament. My belief is that the benefit is mainly for us (Mainland) in that it is the once a year opportunity we have to test ourselves against decent opposition in terms of our player and coach development. In the North Island you guys get to do that on a more regular basis give the resonable proximity of the 5 Federations up your way.
Also allows national age group selectors to view prospective international reps all in one place. Surely that is cost effective? Difficult to see how else this could be achieved?
 
He was playing winter rugby and NZFC in summer. ie he considered club football a waste of time.
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I am in no position to ascribe motives to players actions, but just for the record, three years ago ( 2006)  Ben Sigmund was playing for Onehunga Sports during the winter, where he was one of the prime reasons that club won the northern league first division.
 
 
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Who cares about player motives ...cmon Waikato tomorrow - is Steven playing Bruce i so hope so
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Bruce i credit you for writing your name on boards, I think we need more writers like you in the game although i dont usualy share the same thoughts!

Im just disappointed in the league and how things might shape up. Are city and waitak only going to get 3 competitive games a year now?!!! Waikato did really well last season to rebuild and they wern't a bad side to be honest.

From my understanding the likes of Wylie, Peace, Hogg, Strom and a few of the other top boys from Auickland had resigned for the club but when Bunce was announced they wanted out straight away.  A good coach is a coach who has respect from players and can recruit well. Unfortunalty it seems Waikato have signed second string Aucklanders this season. Dan Peat may be a find though. But likes of Mike McGwyther i heard barely started for their winter clubs.

But good result for them on the weekend but im thinking that result might show us the state of this league. Hawkes bay must be rebuilding after the loss of the Goulds, i wasnt their biggets fans but they recruited some decent players and did provide us with ongoing entertainment.

Bruce i dont really know you from a bar of soap but in your previous written work you mentioned bruised egos...maybe speaking about Mathews? Mate Bunce will destroy that club and players will leave. If your son leaves then that also shows me that Bunce cant do enough to retain players. He wasnt liked at the Kingz, nor at Hawkes bay by all accounts and within weeks we are hearing of rifs at Waikato FC. Lets hope that things get better because City need competitive games heading away!!

C'mon City!!!
 
 
Bunces ego is a big big problem. Good result from waikato against a poor Hawkes Bay team. And agree that NZFC coverage has been poor.
November 02, 2009 18:49 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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In what respect is Bunce's ego perceived to be a problem?
 
I can't see that he has done anything apart from try to organise a team as best he can, as any coach would do.
 
Can you give an example? To make such an accusation, without even putting your name to it, you really do need to back it up.
 
Otherwise your post is patently unfair.
 
 
 
 
November 02, 2009 20:57 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Thats where Tommy_Smyth perceives Bunce's ego to be a problem "From my understanding the likes of Wylie, Peace, Hogg, Strom and a few of the other top boys from Auickland had resigned for the club but when Bunce was announced they wanted out straight away." - Hear it Here.
November 02, 2009 21:01 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Home grown...?
Peat, Gwyther, van Rooyen, Dowling, Munday, Hitchings, and Beard all started and are out of town players!!! Joe Simpkins is hardly home grown either, being from MAGS and maybe Wellington originally??

So in the starting X1 that leaves Che, Dave Samson and Jason Chewins who is an English ex pro I understand...

Hardly pinning colours to the mast of picking Waikato boys...

In fact I would guess more home grown players played last year?? Holloway, Mayne, Stewart, Barlow, Rojas, Simpkins(?), Margetts, Watene..?
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My own observation was that it was obvious Joel was never going to get the nod at right back ahead of David Samson, who is just a far more physical and athletic specimen, who takes a fair bit of gettign around, and on his day, can also offer prodigious speed and stamina attacking down the flank."
You've got to be joking Bruce -physically Samson ok but he,s brain dead and lacks stamina at the highest level- 2 of the goals against Auckland came down his side when he didn,t cover properly and his distribution is woeful.Joel has got a lot more about him and is a more reliable player
 
November 03, 2009 07:33 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Mr Waikato, Joe Simpkins also started on Sunday.
 
He also played in the same Force 3 youth team as the likes of Steven Holloway, Michael Mayne, Sam wilkinson, Chad Coombes, Aaron Scott, Cole Tinkler, LJ Pijnenburg etc.  He has played with waikato senior clubs for the past two winters, and now in his third summer. That's Waikato enough for me.
 
To me it matters little where someone was born, the ideal is if they are turning out for a waikato club in winter. Chewins meets that threshold.
 
Steven Holloway and Charlie Hoyle came off the bench on Sunday, where Tewi te Pou and Scott Robinson were unused. Elsewhere there is Paul Stewart who played last week, Sam wilkinson, barlow, and a host of others. I'd like to see mayne in the squad, but he has declared himself unavailable.
 
On balance there is a healthy Waikato presence in the overall squad. The challenge for those players is now to force thermselves into the starting lineup on ability. I think that's fair enough.
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Turner, i'm not joking. That was simply my assessment of the various merits of the players as perhaps seen by the coach who oversaw selection early season. Joel a good player, but Samson a better physical specimen. On any given day there will be subjective factors such as someone playing well cocking up etc. But there are no absolutes in such exercises. Hope that helps.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
November 03, 2009 08:54 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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 "but Samson a better physical specimen"
So on your criteria Arnold Swarzenneger should be playing if available!!
November 03, 2009 10:39 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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That is fair enough Bruce, regarding the spattering of Waikato players, but it begs the question why did we have to lose the Auckland players who did so well for the team last year if Bunce was simply going to replace them with other Auckland based players?
 
 
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I realise you are being sardonic, but some here mightn't. So, no,  you still need to bring an overall package to the game. Just as you wouldn't field Stephen Hawking becuase he had a better understanding of the game...
 
in this particular case Samson still has overall form, Waikato's most capped player, and former age-group international caps.
 
But this conversation is getting too silly.
 
November 03, 2009 11:02 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Mr Waikato, We didn't HAVE to lose them. I'd have happily have kept a few of them. But it is surely a coach's perogative to select the squad he wants?
 
For instance, to use an example well discussed here, Samson wasn't available last year, so that could conceivably affect the overall balance of players needed from out-of-district. Bunce wasn't around last year, etc.
 
On the other hand, Michael Mayne wasn't available this year, so that also may impact on the sort of players he was after. etc
 
But this is all speculation. 
 
Bottom line: a farmer doesn't bark at his sheep, he employs a dog to do it. same with a football club, it employs a coach to select its players.  It's his call.
 
 
 
 
November 03, 2009 11:12 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Bottom line: a farmer doesn't bark at his sheep, he employs a dog to do it. same with a football club, it employs a coach to select its players.  It's his call.
 
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Bruce thats the problem the club has appointed Bunce and he has already shown he cant attract any good players. Lets be honest he has signed many Melville Utd players, your Bunce believes theirs not better players out their than Charlie Hoyle? ohhh please!!!

Also he has signed many US1 players Bruce, i doubt if those US1 players that he has picked would even get a game in a top Northern Premier league side...Maur Wasi, Mike McGwyther...im struggling to write this without having a laugh.

Bruce i beleive their has to be a Waikato contingent in the side but look at Arsenal do they have any englishman? Surely you want the best wakaito players mixed in with the best auckland players. I was looking foward this season to coming down to watch waikato when City are away, because i cant watch the Scum in aucks down the road, however with Waikatos squad this year i doubt il see any football at all!

Bruce im just throwing out my opinion here. Ive never really been one to cast opinions on sites but the fustration over how this league is being run by micky mouse boards is damaging to the game! We surely have to see the best players playing in this country, at the moment we dont have that.
November 03, 2009 12:15 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Micky mouse boards?
 
WTF?
 
From what I can tell Waikato are pretty well run.  They've appointed a coach, he's selected some players you don't like, you're having a whinge.  But that doesn't mean the Board is no good.
 
They've got James Raffan doing a stirling job.  Their website is improving.
 
I don't think there is much wrong in the league at Board level this year.  Some uncertainty in the south perhaps.
 
Even here in Wellington we have a good Board.  Sure they're so shonky they've appointed Hard News to a position but that's the worst thing you could accuse them of.  The setup is pretty good (except the usual difficulties with getting players cleared in time to play and finding anywhere satisfactory to train).
 
 
 
edit- to fix Hard News's fix.  Media Manager you're havin' a laff.
 
 
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There is a grain of truth in what Hear it says, in that in Auckland there are a lot of very good players who can't get near a run. Auckland is far stronger in terms of player talent than it is in terms of spectator talent (to support a third franchise).
 
For instance, I thought young Eastern Suburbs midfielder dan Jones -- presumably not wanted  by the 2 Auckkand NZFC entities --  was better than anything on display in the midfield for waikato v HB.
 
 
November 03, 2009 15:35 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Bruce I beieve Daniel Jones is actually down at Waitakere Utd. Hate to admit this i was down watching the Scum on Sunday play the Sheep shaggers and quite sure Dan Jones's name was in the programme. According to my sources at the ground that day also said Dan Jones was about to sign for waikato fc when Edmunson had the job, maybe Pearce bought him over to the Scum when he decided to go there too.

All waikato needed was a couple of creative midfielders from last year and they would have been a top side last year, why a club would make big changes after last year doesnt make sense. I thought Holloway and Hogg upfront was a good promising combination if they stayed fit. Goalkeeper was brilliant last year for you. Back four was solid, better than most in the league. But midfield needed fixing! however not to be the case it seems.

Is their seating down at the ground this year? what was crowd like too?  very few turned out to watch the Scum but the pitch was ammaculate to be fair.
November 03, 2009 17:56 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Bruce Holloway wrote:
There is a grain of truth in what Hear it says, in that in Auckland there are a lot of very good players who can't get near a run. Auckland is far stronger in terms of player talent than it is in terms of spectator talent (to support a third franchise).
 
For instance, I thought young Eastern Suburbs midfielder dan Jones -- presumably not wanted  by the 2 Auckkand NZFC entities --  was better than anything on display in the midfield for waikato v HB.


I would agree with this Bruce. I saw Daniel Jones in 2008 and he was a lovely footballer that was well balanced and played off both feet. I'm not sure if he would crack a Christie/ Butler or Feneridis/Lee/Williams midfield just yet because he isn't as physical. His game is more of a gliding midfielder knocking the ball about. He would certainly make a difference at Waikato because I'm not sold on Joe Simpkins abilty as a midfielder. If it was a Jones/Mayne midfield, that would make a big difference with Mayne putting himself into tackles and Jones living off him.

November 03, 2009 21:38 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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I agree Smithy on the NZFC as being the flagship of our game and that was my beef with turning it into an Under 23 (or any other restriction) league. It must contain the best players from all regions. Problem is a lot of the players haven't bought into it (3 years ago Ben Sigmund was playing Rugby to escape from the year round Football sycle).
Regarding the National tournament Michael Glading put a figure of $900.000 on it when he was here. Mostly funded by Perry Foundation and it was the loss of this funding that was the biggest threat to the tournament. My belief is that the benefit is mainly for us (Mainland) in that it is the once a year opportunity we have to test ourselves against decent opposition in terms of our player and coach development. In the North Island you guys get to do that on a more regular basis give the resonable proximity of the 5 Federations up your way.
Also allows national age group selectors to view prospective international reps all in one place. Surely that is cost effective? Difficult to see how else this could be achieved?
 
$900k isn't right Ronny.  More like $90k. 
 
Will be interesting to see what they replace it with.  The first test of credibility for our new (and so far invisible) high performance manager Alex Chiet I guess.
November 04, 2009 09:10 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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If a team has picked Jones up, that's excellent.

I was impressed with the way he glided across the park, and his work rate for the All Stars.
 
By contrast, Martin Bullock and jeremy Christie made no impression on me when i saw them pre-season for waitakere.
 
Hoani Edwards is getting long in the tooth, but is another midfielder i really enjoy watching.
 
Another oldie who i thought was excellent over the winter was mark Atkinson for Manurewa. Looked like he could easily do a job at NZFC level.
 
from a Waikato perspective, I was also impressed by U17 youngster Matt Gibbons when he turned out for wanderers over winter. Presumably Michael Built is still off to Northampton, but will Gibbons join the Waikato squad?
 
Further down the track, a host of Declan edge's youth players look very good on the ball.
 
 
 
 
 
November 04, 2009 09:59 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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From what I can tell Waikato are pretty well run.  They've appointed a coach, he's selected some players you don't like, you're having a whinge.  But that doesn't mean the Board is no good.
 
They've got James Raffan doing a stirling job.  Their website is improving.
 
I don't think there is much wrong in the league at Board level this year
Smithy just stop posting you're looking like a fool!! The waikato board is awful full of chancers.
James Raffan is an enthusistic amateur running the club out of his front room,they've gone from the Waikato stadium to play at Narra on a bumpy pitch  in 2 years,thats progress!!
The strip is like a clowns outfit.
Edmundson did a good job last year for free - the boards response was to drop him without a second thought when they  thought they could get Paul Parker and then re instated him when that fell through.Naturally when something else came along he grabbed it.
Bruce you,ve been watching Sampson  all season - have a count how often he gives the ball away - like he did 2 games ago when he had the ball and played it 15m to his winger who was tightly marked (the wrong pass),the winger then passed it back to him cos he was under pressure so Sampson then tried to play it straight back to him again(even though he was still tightly marked) but the ball missed him and it went out for a throw. Enough said
He's a good hearted lad but he's got no game understanding but you'd play him cos he's got a good physique!! Joel is  far better all round. stick to writing
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Er, Turner... Good morning. reality check: I WAS writing... It is my written thoughts you seem to object to. if I was out there kicking you'd really have something to complain about.
 
I rated Samson on his ability to STOP others playing, which is, after all, the essence of defending.
 
Nothing against Joel mathews at all, lovely player etc. But if you need somebody to defensively leg it against Totori etc, give me someone with the legs of a horse. That's all.
 
Hope this helps.
 
 
 
November 04, 2009 11:35 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Bruce,
 
would have to disagree over the essence of a fullback being to foot it with his opponent.. The modern game requires a fullback to initiate attacks (Cole, Boisingwa, Evra etc..) It is also an obvious point that if the fullback continually gives the ball away then the back 4 has to defend more than if they could keep the ball..
 
I thought Joel was one of the standout players for Waikato last season, maybe Samson could play alongside Bunce in the centre of defence where there is more of an emphasis on the physical element of defending?
 
 
November 04, 2009 12:43 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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hello. Yes, I suppose he could.
 
What we found at premier league level over winter was the importance of stopping the supply of ball from rocket-heeled wide men in a number of teams. Samson could play on the left or right flank, dependent on where the threat came from, tho was most at home on the right.
 
They seldom got the better of Samson. Indeed, his ability to completley nullify Alan Pearce -- no slouch -- was highlighted as the critical factor in our premier grand final win, where he was named man of the match.
 
Coach Steve Williams later called Samson perhaps the most athletic player in domestic football.
 
Without being disparaging of mathews, who is nice and tidy, I'm not sure he brings quite the same attributes to the table, when a team is looking to nullify an opposing team's major weapon.
 I can't recall anyone saying, "I know, we'll put Joel on him".
 
Still, this is all speculation. There may be completely different reasons as to why Bunce  saw Waiakto's most capped player -- even after having a summer off -- as his first choice right back.
 
But it is the coach's call, at the end of the day.
 
 
 
 
 
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From what I can tell Waikato are pretty well run.  They've appointed a coach, he's selected some players you don't like, you're having a whinge.  But that doesn't mean the Board is no good.
 
They've got James Raffan doing a stirling job.  Their website is improving.
 
I don't think there is much wrong in the league at Board level this year
Smithy just stop posting you're looking like a fool!! The waikato board is awful full of chancers.
James Raffan is an enthusistic amateur running the club out of his front room,they've gone from the Waikato stadium to play at Narra on a bumpy pitch  in 2 years,thats progress!!
The strip is like a clowns outfit.
 
Hmmm.  I'll leave it to the rest of the forum readership to make their own judgement about which of us looks like a fool.
 
Point of order thought: neither Bruce nor I is hiding behind a username.
 
And with that, I'll take your advice.
November 04, 2009 13:46 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Bruce, i dont know what your smoking down there...probably the same stuff as Gay Bunce....however to suggest that Hoani Edwards and Mark Atkinson are still worth looking at NZFC level is ludacris. Edwards this year was overweight and could barely tuck his shirt in, Atkinson is that old he needed a zimmer frame after each game. There are better players  now out there than that my friend.

Bruce you quote saying...
''Without being disparaging of mathews, who is nice and tidy, I'm not sure he brings quite the same attributes to the table, when a team is looking to nullify an opposing team's major weapon.
 I can't recall anyone saying, "I know, we'll put Joel on him".

Teams no longer change there team to just to man mark someone, it shows the opposition your more worried about them and worried about your own play. City and the Scum did it with Matt Cuneen in the world club champs and what a disaster that was, it ruins your own natural game. It never happens these days mate.

Im going to rustle some feathers here by sugessting that maybe its time for the nzfc to make some significant chages, i know their is talk of things happening. But there needs to be a third auckland team. Ngarawahia isnt that far from auckland so removing Waikato i beleieve wouldnt be a bad thing. There are clearly better players north of the bombays. So those three or four decent waikato players could push themselves into Auckland sides..it would make the league alot stronger. I would say remove Otago but they aren't close to anyone for their players to commute to. thoughts?

Smithy im not having a dig, but a doing stirling job isnt about designing a half decent website! And im a big fan of how Wellington is run and im sure results will improve on the field with jacobs at the helm and the players he has attracted. Bunce has got together a team of no names bar a few.

C'mon City!!!


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Hear it Here wrote:

Im going to rustle some feathers here by sugessting that maybe its time for the nzfc to make some significant chages, i know their is talk of things happening.


I'm making an assumption that you are quite young Hear it. Thats the reason why the NZFC was created - because it was time to make changes and do it properly. They had to have infrastructure, funding, coaches had to have achieved a certain leve, youth players had to be designated. They wanted to get away from a Southern Trust National League that was poorly run.

But it was all let go bit by bit. Someone received an exemption for this, then it was ok for them to do that, the 'interested sponsors' never appeared and someone could move away from that stadium, and we cut out this round..... you get the picture.

Whatever competition they create, it will happen again in 5 years.... History has dictated that especially with the removal of the abundance of money that came tobacco sponsorship (Rothmans, Winfield). They need to stick with the NZFC and make it work. Otherwise in 5 years time, we will be having this discussion again...

As for Waikato, we are better off with them than with a 3rd Auckland team.
November 04, 2009 19:16 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Jeff i was i was young mate because with the quality of the league as it is now i reckon i could get a run if i was a bit fitter. Anyways the reason im not clued up on the changes is because we seem to go round and round in this country talking about it and nothin ever happens or gets put off until new issues arise. Maybe its best to remove teams such as Waikato and Otago who cant attract players or play on good grounds, but i believe Otago are playing at Carisbrook again which is good to see.

And how can you say the league is better off with Waikato than a third Auckland team?? surely we wont the best players playing in what is considered our best domestic league. Dont give me this one club from each confederation crap or whats fair and whats not...if those 3 or 4 decent Waikato players fit in up in auckland then the league will be stronger....just my opinion however..
November 04, 2009 19:34 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Hey you are entitled to your opinion.

Objectively, if you were forming a National League based on your premise (i.e. a club based league) then you would have 4 from Auckland, 3 from Wellington, maybe a napier, maybe a manawatu (based on history) and you'd get 1 from down south. Not really much of a 'National League'

The reason I advocate Waikato is because in this current form of the National League, Waikato fits in. Its a representation based on regionalisation. If we move away from this structure then sure its open for debate. The players contributed from the 'other provinces' Liam Little, Aaron Burgess, Marco Rojas and those were the first 3 names that came to my head with having to really think or look up stuff. If Waikato do nothing more than breed good young footballers then I'm in favour of that. And before you say that they couldn't fit it at a National Level, Rojas broke that rule....
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hello there. In performance points disbursed by opposing coaches, Hoani Edwards was rated the fifth most influential player in the northern premier league this winter. That was despite being out with an ankle injury fora period.  He bossed the game the day his team played mine.
 
Yes, Mark Atkinson is getting on, but again, turned in quality performances. Sometimes its the old trees that put out the best fruit.
 
The national league actually has a rich history of players in their mid 30s playing key roles. Indeed, Ken cresswell turned out at 40.
 
Before suggesting arbitrarily ditching Waikato in favour of another Auckland team, run it past a few of the thinkers at your beloved Auckland City. They'll explain, slowly if necessary, why it's not so clever in the bigger picture.
 
If you want a league to run on merit, drop the bottom team. Waikato has NEVER finished bottom of the NZFC.
 
 
 
 
November 05, 2009 07:24 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Yeh but Bruce that was the thinking of four or five years ago, this every club per region etc, look the english premiership doesnt say london has one team, manchester has one team etc. they get the best teams playing to create the strongest leage.

But i just question Waikato's ambition...You enter to win the league right? Apart from Signing a muppet as your coach...why sign second string winter player. I went along this year to watch Glenfield vs Birkenhead Because central didnt have a game. I couldnt not believe later to find out that Wasi Mauri or Mauri Wasi, Micheal McGwyther and the tall lad Beard who i later named ''the fridge'' because thats how mobile he was, had all signed. Where did Gay Bunce see these players if he was not even playing in that league. And if you say he used scouts then his scouts should clearly be out of a job. Bruce why arent the better Auckland players playing in your team if you want to win the league or atleast be competitive. i know you bet Hawkes Bay on the weekend but lets be honest they aren't ever going to push the top two or three..

Your thoughts...
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Hello. My point was, you are calling for waikato's ousting, but under a merit system (the best teams), they would dtill be there.
 
Secondly, I think you are out of order to be so derogatory about a coach when you don't have the courage to put your name to posts.
 
Bunce has ambitions, and has signed what he believes is the best of what was available to him. We can, as fans, have our own value judgements about players -- I'm pretty judgemental myself -- but I don't know of any coach who deliberately sets out to fail.
 
I imagine Waikato will win some and lose some this season. But let's see how they finish relative to the past few years before we get too righteous, huh?
November 05, 2009 14:25 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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Hang on Bruce the goose....so your saying its out of order for me to be derogatory to one of your mates but ok for you to have a pop at joel mathews and say he has a bruised ego etc. Im sticking up for joel mathews because he was an ex City player who fairly left the club to see more playing time elsewhere!!

Bruce take your head out of Melvilles arse...i never said a coach sets out to fail. I just questioned his signing of players when he clearly hasnt got the best out there...lets be brutely honest Bruce...

Of course Waikato will win some and loose some thi season...its the nature of this poor league.

Bruce and i reckon it wont take you long to start having a pop at the club if your son doesnt start getting more game time when he is fit!!

And if you want bruce, next time i see you i will tell you what i think. Even a chant might go up with your name!!

C'mon City
November 05, 2009 15:16 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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1. I would suggest there is a world of difference between an anonymous person describing a coach as muppet and someone who puts their name to a post wondering aloud if there are bruised egos in an internal club matter. As a rule of thumb, if you are not prepared to say something to someone's face, don't say it here.
 
2. This has nothing to do with Melville.
 
3. Steven is fully fit but the coach is choosing not to start him, and, yes, I imagine he is not very happy about that, given his track record (14 goals in 27 games for Waikato).  But that is the coach's perogative, and it is up to the player to deal with that situation how he sees fit. However it has nothing to do with me, as such.
 
4. I have always been a Waikato supporter, but never an uncritical one. If you look hard enough you will already find a history of my critiques of the club.
 
5. I can't be bothered discussing with you any more and am not interested in what you think  Nothing personal, I just prefer more adult conversations.
 
  
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Bruce you prefer adult conversations? Mate you were the one refering to players as trees who produce fruit!!!!!!! what bedtime books are you reading?!

Bruce if your son cant get a game infront of Micheal Mcgwyther then there is something wrong with the coaches head and i know you agree with me there! but thankyou for your time!
November 05, 2009 22:31 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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"I rated Samson on his ability to STOP others playing, which is, after all, the essence of defending"
yes thats why against the top teams Sampson  shows a LACK of that essence 
you're basing your opinion on the fact he clobbered Pearce in the final!! very astute
I meant carry on writing about general affairs like local dairies being robbed leave the soccer and player assessment to those who understand it.
Having said that on the admin side I think you've done a good job at Melville.
 
November 07, 2009 06:38 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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 "neither Bruce nor I is hiding behind a username.
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so your real name is "smithy" ??????
November 07, 2009 06:40 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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wats going on at waikato
rumour is some senior players are refusing to travel to chch
apparently training sessions are on a melville/wanderers level -unbelievably boring
watch this waikato space 
November 07, 2009 10:23 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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If you click on his profile his name is right there - hint, it won't be that much of a surprise!
November 07, 2009 12:18 · Edited September 09, 2012 17:32
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